There isn't really a muse thread.

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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:48 pm

Value intrinsic, is it's balance. The parts and pieces working together long before we got here, and will be, if we allow it, and if we don't, it will be something yet imagined. Reborn in every opportunity.

That's it. Show up before me and you've got my respect, until we've proven otherwise. Living with it.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:30 pm

A being in and of it. I gotta learn how to relax, and as Lennon-McCartney put it... Let IT Be.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:45 pm

Mowk wrote:A being in and of it. I gotta learn how to relax, and as Lennon-McCartney put it... Let IT Be.




Beware of garbage, as it relates.to the
the awareness of it:


https://youtu.be/y96M38mJgIo


Forgive Mowk, the length of the video may somewhat of a challenge, however it's worth a look, in part to it's significance in terms that allude awareness to more primal understand ing then the appreciation for the pasting of the potential for phenomenal reductive erosion.

Parting shot: this conclusion needs a lot of expletives even in terms of a self induced understanding.

So please do not blame me for a need to understand myself, in this way, it consists of my effort at self conscious continuance that may be ommitted, (objectively), at the same time, without. coming to the conclusion that it is merely for mine eyes only.

It just demonstrates the idea that touching on the periphery of any issue of problem , invites the dynamic machinery underneath that brings other formulations into at least subliminal relationships.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:35 pm

Beware of garbage, as it relates.to the
the awareness of it:


I'll be sure to try to do that.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:02 pm

without. coming to the conclusion that it is merely for mine eyes only.


But perhaps, it is actually, for your eyes only. And that if one's own house is not so clean lets not be looking for dirt in others. I do not wish to tell you how to clean your floor. I have nothing to sell. It is such a fine example of "your shit stinks" and because I use this "product" mine doesn't. Meno_ your shit smells fine to me. I can not be sorry you find mine so offensive.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:12 pm

And I am glad You do not let a pejorative viewpoint smell.
That is why I believe in reinvention rather then merely repetition of the same old same old.

Thanks for allowing me that!
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:14 pm

Meno_ wrote:And I am glad You do not let a pejorative viewpoint smell.
That is why I believe in reinvention rather then merely repetition of the same old same old.

The garbage can is merely the limits to which a simple awareness of dumping can lead You. Need to find out how and why it was dumped there to begin with.

Thanks for allowing me that!



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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:17 pm

Your view point of my musing, does at times appear pejorative. I remind myself in those moments why I like your thinking. I believe I dislike most your attitude that you have something I have just got to learn. I learn a lot my friend, just not the things any 'one' seems so insistent on learning me. A demonstration of a thing to learn if often a far better teacher. I'll not teach you how to scrub your floors... you have your own attention to the details to deal with. Spend more time on Donald Trumps floors if that will get your floors any cleaner. Do you really believe you have reinvented anything? It does not appear so from this perspective, my bad, but you'll learn that on your own or you won't. For your eyes only. You are blameless and without tarnish in the only eyes that matter. Mine eyes are unimportant to anyone but me as I am the only one seeing through them or not. Can you forgive my insistence on being such an idiot?
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:44 am

That's my line since I first came here.

No it is not for instructional purposes, just that connective sources come up, which help to clarify the background to what we are talking about.
I am no greater man, in spite of Your Preception that I have been more around the block.

This is a big problem with me, and it is entirely my fault
Again Your logic has not really gotten to the point of complete reversal, as I am ashamed to truthfully put the fault with myself.

At any rate, it is the narcissistic vampire vampire within which creates this optical effect, believe me.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:22 am

That's my line since I first came here.


Which is why you have my respect. Perhaps it does not always appear so at times, but generally I come around back to it.

just that connective sources come up, which help to clarify the background to what we are talking about.


Well you should then bring it front and center if that is the attention it deserves.

I am no greater man, in spite of Your Preception that I have been more around the block.


I didn't say you were, we simply transverse different blocks. Perhaps you hadn't noticed a similar worn leather. The sidewalks wear unevenly, I think. It is not such a grand problem, and it is no ones fault at least it is not my intention to lay blame on its account. If my logic was a reversal I am more clever then I thought, and to have me reminded, would be a sort of narcissism as well.

At any rate, it is the narcissistic vampire vampire within which creates this optical effect, believe me.


Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:53 pm

"Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"


Isaiah 9:2 Those who live in darkness...

----- --- -
(Connections: Faust, Marlow, Black Death, Vampire:


As plague stalks the streets of 16th century London, Christopher Marlowe is drawn into a baffling murder investigation where nothing is as it first appears.)
4ureyes&others only

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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:04 am

You lost me. No matter. I did enjoy Anne Rice, until she got around to Queen of the Damned.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

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Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"



International Version
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of deep darkness a light has dawned.

New Living Translation
The people who walk in darkness will see a great light. For those who live in a land of deep darkness, a light will shine.

English Standard Version
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone.

Berean Study Bible
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned.

New American Standard Bible
The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them.

New King James Version
The people who walked in darkness Have seen a great light; Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, Upon them a light has shined.

King James Bible
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

Christian Standard Bible
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; a light has dawned on those living in the land of darkness.

Contemporary English Version
Those who walked in the dark have seen a bright light. And it shines upon everyone who lives in the land of darkest shadows.

Good News Translation
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. They lived in a land of shadows, but now light is shining on them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; a light has dawned on those living in the land of darkness.

International Standard Version
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; for those living in a land of deep darkness, a light has shined upon them.

NET Bible
The people walking in darkness see a bright light; light shines on those who live in a land of deep darkness.

New Heart English Bible
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. Those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The people who walk in darkness will see a bright light. The light will shine on those who live in the land of death's shadow.

JPS Tanakh 1917
The people that walked in darkness Have seen a great light; They that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, Upon them hath the light shined.

New American Standard 1977
The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; those that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them has the light shined.

King James 2000 Bible
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them has the light shined.

American King James Version
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, on them has the light shined.

American Standard Version
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
O people walking in darkness, behold a great light: ye that dwell in the region and shadow of death, a light shall shine upon you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
The people that walked in darkness, have seen a great light: to them that dwelt in the region of the shadow of death, light is risen.

Darby Bible Translation
the people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them light hath shone.

English Revised Version
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

Webster's Bible Translation
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shades of death, upon them hath the light shined.

World English Bible
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. Those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

Young's Literal Translation
The people who are walking in darkness Have seen a great light, Dwellers in a land of death-shade, Light hath shone upon them.
Study Bible
Unto Us a Child is Born
1Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those in distress. In the past He humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future He will honor the Way to the Sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles: 2The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned. 3You have enlarged the nation and increased its joy. The people rejoice before You as they rejoice at harvest time, as men rejoice in dividing the plunder.…
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Cross References
Matthew 4:16
the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned."

Luke 1:79
to shine on those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace."

Luke 2:32
a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to Your people Israel."

Ephesians 5:8
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light,

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Isaiah 50:10
Who among you fears the LORD and obeys the voice of His Servant? Who among you walks in darkness and has no light? Let him trust in the name of the LORD; let him lean on his God.

Isaiah 60:19
No longer will the sun be your light by day, and the brightness of the moon will not shine on you; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your splendor.

Micah 7:8
Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will arise; though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light.

Treasury of Scripture
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, on them has the light shined.

walked

Isaiah 50:10
Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.

Isaiah 60:1-3,19
Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee…

Micah 7:8,9
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me…

in the land

Job 10:21
Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;

Psalm 23:4
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Psalm 107:10,14
Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; …










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The people
הָעָם֙ (hā·‘ām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 5971: A people, a tribe, troops, attendants, a flock

walking
הַהֹלְכִ֣ים (ha·hō·lə·ḵîm)
Article | Verb - Qal - Participle - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 1980: To go, come, walk

in darkness
בַּחֹ֔שֶׁךְ (ba·ḥō·šeḵ)
Preposition-b, Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2822: The dark, darkness, misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness

have seen
רָא֖וּ (rā·’ū)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 7200: To see

a great
גָּד֑וֹל (gā·ḏō·wl)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1419: Great, older, insolent

light;
א֣וֹר (’ō·wr)
Noun - common singular
Strong's Hebrew 216: Illumination, luminary

on
עֲלֵיהֶֽם׃ (‘ă·lê·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 5921: Above, over, upon, against

those living
יֹשְׁבֵי֙ (yō·šə·ḇê)
Verb - Qal - Participle - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 3427: To sit down, to dwell, to remain, to settle, to marry

in the land
בְּאֶ֣רֶץ (bə·’e·reṣ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 776: Earth, land

of the shadow of death,
צַלְמָ֔וֶת (ṣal·mā·weṯ)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 6757: Death-like shadow, deep shadow

a light
א֖וֹר (’ō·wr)
Noun - common singular
Strong's Hebrew 216: Illumination, luminary

has dawned.
נָגַ֥הּ (nā·ḡah)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 5050: To glitter, to illuminate
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(2) The people that walked in darkness . . .--The words throw us back upon Isaiah 8:21-22. The prophet sees in his vision a light shining on the forlorn and weary wanderers. They had been wandering in the "valley of the shadow of death" (the phrase comes from Psalm 23:4; Job 3:5), almost as in the gloom of Sheol itself. Now there breaks in the dawn of a glorious day. Historically the return of some of the inhabitants of that region to their allegiance to Jehovah and the house of David (2Chronicles 30:11; 2Chronicles 30:13) may have been the starting point of the prophet's hopes. The words have to the Christian student a special interest, as having been quoted by St. Matthew (Matthew 4:15-16) in connection with our Lord's ministry in Galilee, perhaps with His being "of Nazareth," which was in the tribe of Zebulun. We cannot positively say that such a fulfilment as that was in the prophet's thoughts. The context shows in that he was thinking of Assyrian invasions, and the defeat of Assyrian armies, of a nation growing strong in numbers and prosperity. In this, as in other cases, the Evangelist adapts the words of prophecy to a further meaning than that which apparently was in the mind of the writer, and interprets them by his own experience. When he compared the state of Galilee, yet more, perhaps, that of his own soul, before and after the Son of man had appeared as the light of the world, Isaiah's words seemed the only adequate expression of the change.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 2. - The people that walked in darkness (comp. Isaiah 8:22). All the world was "in darkness" when Christ came; but here the Jews especially seem to be intended. It was truly a dark time with them when Christ came (see Dollinger's 'Judenthum and Heidenthum,' vol. 2. pp. 301-335). Have seen; rather, saw. The "prophetic" preterit is used throughout the whole passage. A great light. "The Light of the world," "the Sun of righteousness," "the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world, "first broke on man in that northern tract" by the way of the sea, "when Jesus came forward to teach and to preach in "Galilee of the Gentiles." For thirty years he had dwelt at Nazareth, in Zebulon. There he had first come forward to teach in a synagogue (Luke 4:16-21); in Galilee he had done his first miracles (John 2:11; John 4:54); at Capernaum. "Upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim," he commenced his preaching of repentance (Matthew 4:13-17). The "light" first streamed forth in this quarter, glorifying the region on which contempt had long been poured.
Matthew Henry Commentary
9:1-7 The Syrians and Assyrians first ravaged the countries here mentioned, and that region was first favoured by the preaching of Christ. Those that want the gospel, walk in darkness, and in the utmost danger. But when the gospel comes to any place, to any soul, light comes. Let us earnestly pray that it may shine into our hearts, and make us wise unto salvation. The gospel brings joy with it. Those who would have joy, must expect to go through hard work, as the husbandman, before he has the joy of harvest; and hard conflict, as the soldier, before he divides the spoil. The Jews were delivered from the yoke of many oppressors; this was a shadow of the believer's deliverance from the yoke of Satan. The cleansing the souls of believers from the power and pollution of sin, would be by the influence of the Holy Spirit, as purifying fire. These great things for the church, shall be done by the Messiah, Emmanuel. The Child is born; it was certain; and the church, before Christ came in the flesh, benefitted by his undertaking. It is a prophecy of him and of his kingdom, which those that waited for the Consolation of Israel read with pleasure. This Child was born for the benefit of us men, of us sinners, of all believers, from the beginning to the end of the world. Justly is he called Wonderful, for he is both God and man. His love is the wonder of angels and glorified saints. He is the Counsellor, for he knew the counsels of God from eternity; and he gives counsel to men, in which he consults our welfare. He is the Wonderful Counsellor; none teaches like him. He is God, the mighty One. Such is the work of the Mediator, that no less power than that of the mighty God could bring it to pass. He is God, one with the Father. As the Prince of Peace, he reconciles us to God; he is the Giver of peace in the heart and conscience; and when his kingdom is fully established, men shall learn war no more. The government shall be upon him; he shall bear the burden of it. Glorious things are spoken of Christ's government. There is no end to the increase of its peace, for the happiness of its subjects shall last for ever. The exact agreement of this prophecy with the doctrine of the New Testament, shows that Jewish prophets and Christian teachers had the same view of the person and salvation of the Messiah. To what earthly king or kingdom can these words apply? Give then, O Lord, to thy people to know thee by every endearing name, and in every glorious character. Give increase of grace in every heart of thy redeemed upon earth.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:21 am

Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"


Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:26 am

Meno_ wrote:Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"


Why should I believe you in such a regard. Vampires have no reflection in mirrors, or so the myth goes. Tough to blame that on the optics of the mirror"



Vampires can not see their reflection in the mirror because they live in darkness.

The question is how darkness came about?

That is tantamount to who or what is responsible

Absolute relief-belief needed to allay that notion.

If we have to admit to that responsibility to our selves, then we be damned, notwithstanding queen and country.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:45 am

Who put the nickle in you? What's the ham flavored meat product that comes in a can?
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:07 am

Mowk wrote:Who put the nickle in you? What's the ham flavored meat product that comes in a can?



Never You(r) mind.

But for consistencies' sake, let's put this down to many trips around the block.

I am contra Bertrand Russel's ' This is why i am not a Christian.' and contra the idea of the irrevocality of Kant's transcendendental categorical imperative per the naturalistic fallacy.

It is of a necessity that all able bodied men come to their senses, and come to the aid of their party.

It may be the last warning coming from the Oracle of Delphi
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:37 am

You sure enjoy quoting the bible; a thumper.

Never your mind. Cute.

But for consistencies' sake, let's put this down to many trips around the block.


Its a short block and I've seen you cutting corners.

You're throwing a party? I'm in. Will there be beer? Porters and Brown Ale, I like Stout too.

Yeah. Delphi.

If you have a request ask it. If you're nuts say so. If your wife is away and ya got nothing better to do, Then continue on waxing poetic.

News flash, the secret decoder ring wasn't in my box of cracker jack. Speak like a human being would you? One of us isn't "IN" on your gig.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:23 am

Funny you should say so, and so much for profiteering in subversive alienation.
But that already said, let's leave it to some mutual agreement to disagree, with a longed for return to some neverlanded prosaics, in stead for poets musings.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:54 am

See you don't give up. You should. You think I'm asleep at the wheel? You could be so lucky.

I don't see the need. The world turns. I've asked you before if you think something is afoot just say so. Don't be playing the decoder ring thing like I got figure out first what your gig is.

If that's your dealio, leave me out of the plan. You want to TALK to me like I'm not some god damn mind reader then TALK to me. What ever your gig is. You're a dumb ass if you believe I can make any sense of what you're yammer on. I use to think I could make some sense of it but that was before you went all black ops on me.

I don't appreciate poetry, save if a tune comes up and I'm looking for some vocals to go along with the songs that keep running on in my head. How many times do I have to stuff the ideas down your throat? I don't get it. I got plenty of untapped potential mind you. But I give it away. You charge too much.

How could I disagree with a point you haven't made. How could I disagree with you? You don't speak English. You're speaking a language I ain't getting, How am I going to find anything to disagree with?

I can just imaging you talking with the wife what you'd like for dinner. M.i.nd you.what is. edible, would. be a tu.rkey noooooood.le dish an.d a sa.la.ad. Does she answer lets order out? Mexican?

What's the real world like for you. Did you hire someone for that project? Focus,
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:50 am

Come on mother fucker kick me again. Little higher, you missed my nads.

Reach down, take a good old squeeze and lift your self up dude. You're sort of spiraling down.

As good of advice as always. Why is it you don't have a bigger head?
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:07 am

Damn it would be nice to sleep. Or roughly 7,821 sheep. Then you gotta get back up cause you're just so fucking bored from counting sheep. Star Trek reruns. Then blow an hour during NYPD Blue, and then Maverick comes on. Man that's the life. Gotta be really quiet, the wife is asleep. And shit, I wouldn't wish this on anyone. Can't think straight, can't drink straight, can't sleep and every muscle aches.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:02 am

Another 7000 sheep.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:06 am

Try for a few more.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:56 pm

that's waaaaaay to much or many, maybe you lost,
the count,
or don't care, smaller
cranium don't indicate
Necessarily anything about
lack in other forms
try ambience
or self indulgence
But don't get too Nietzchean
About it unless
Followed by
A tear jerker
Like a good ol'
Wagner like gottedamerung

But i tried it and still
Haven't a clue.
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