a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:15 pm

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"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." Nietzsche


Unless, of course, you go full blown insane.

"Droll thing life is -- that mysterious arrangement of merciless logic for a futile purpose. The most you can hope from it is some knowledge of yourself -- that comes too late -- a crop of inextinguishable regrets." Joseph Conrad

You know, being optimistic.

“No sane person should believe that something is subjective merely because it cannot be settled beyond controversy.” Hilary Putnam

We'll need a context of course.

"Science is wonderful at destroying metaphysical answers, but incapable of providing substitute ones. Science takes away foundations without providing a replacement." Hilary Putnam

Though [more to the point] not for lack of trying.

“Power is tolerable only on condition that it mask a substantial part of itself. The success of power is proportional to its ability to hide its own mechanisms.” Michel Foucault

Sounds like the "deep state" to me.

“I don't want to know exactly what I am. The main interest in is to become someone else that you were not in the beginning.” Michel Foucault

Don't actually expect to pin this down though.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:42 pm

Miles Davis

It takes a long time to sound like yourself.


So don't fuck it up.

Don't play what's there, play what's not there.

That's probably not as easy, or, sure, as hard as it sounds.

Music is the framework around the silence.

When it's not the other way around.

Do not fear mistakes. There are none.

For example, in a wholly determined universe.

You have to know 400 notes that you can play, then pick the right four.

Or the wrong four and call them right.

If you're not nervous then you're not paying attention.

On the other hand, how nervous?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:13 pm

Isabelle Huppert

Sometimes over the years, you know, things come to surface.


And, as we all know by now, for better or worse.

We all pretend to be very strong, and then in a fraction, you can just break down...

Or you can actually be very strong, and then in a fraction, it casn all just brak down.

Am I an intellectual? I don't think so. Less than people sometimes think, I have to say. But more than some others think.

Any intellectuals here?

For me, making films is like being on vacation, it's a nice walk. But theatre is like mountaineering. You never know whether you're going to fall off or make it to the top.

My guess: for obvious reasons.

When I hear myself, I don't know how I sound.

He wondered: Had he ever heard himself?

Balzac, you know, our great Balzac, he wrote interesting things about how in literature you keep distance in order to express great feelings. You have to keep a distance - and it's exactly the same with acting.

Like that actually means something. But point taken.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:38 pm

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“People know what they do; frequently they know why they do what they do; but what they don't know is what what they do does.” Michel Foucault


Here for example.

"Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others." Joseph Conrad

And surely there are no exceptions.

"No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one’s existence---that which makes its truth, its meaning---its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone." Joseph Conrad

Or, perhaps, highly improbable.

"The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water." Miguel de Cervantes

If not in the real world.

"The disease of men is that they neglect their own fields and go to weed the fields of others.” Mencius

And they ours.

"Human beings can alter their lives by altering their attitudes of mind.” William James

And how dreadful that can be!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:20 am

Annie Lennox

You know, I would say that songwriting is something about the expression of the heart, the intellect and the soul.


On the other hand, what else is there?

You have to face things, have faith in what you do and go for it. Think, 'What's the worst that could happen?'

Actually, you might not want to go there.

We're not interested to know the real heroes. We're really more interested in the villains, actually, and they seem to thrive, and it continues to be business as usual.

Call this the "mass shooting" syndrome.

You have to be quite grounded, and I don't know what that is.

So, what would you tell her?

One realizes after a long time that, actually, we are contradictory, all of us.

Or, for some of us, by the time we're in our teens.

Money is a good thing and it's obviously useful, but to work only for money or fame would never interest me.

Not that it hurts to already have them. But, sure, she's almost certainly being sincere.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:29 pm

Andrew Sullivan

In academia, left-liberalism is so entrenched its advocates' debating skills have gone rusty. When you've been talking to yourself for decades and imposing speech codes on everyone else, your ability to argue coherently - let alone entertainingly - inevitably wanes.


Probably true, right?

Blogging is to writing what extreme sports are to athletics: more free-form, more accident-prone, less formal, more alive. It is, in many ways, writing out loud.

Possibly true, right?

A mind is a wonderful thing to change.

Repeatedly if need be.

Homophobia: the fear that another man will treat you like you treat women.

So, does that shoe fit you?

What I love about the Internet and what I try to do on the issues is insist upon the ability to have bad taste if one wants.

Unless of course you're trolling.

Don't fool yourself that you're blogging when you're really just putting stuff up online.

Stuff? What the fuck is that?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:30 pm

Nina Simone

It is difficult to retain your standards with the pressure of trying to make money, which always has its rules...It's hard to walk the tightrope of doing what you think is your best and making money at it.


Not really a big problem for philosophers of course.

I only knew classical music, which to me was the only true music. The only way I could survive at the bar was to mix the classical music with popular songs, and that meant I had to sing. What happened was that I discovered I had a voice plus the talent to mix classical music together with more popular songs, which at the time I detested.

I'll bet you didn't know that either.

To most white people, jazz means black and jazz means dirt, and that's not what I play. I play black classical music.

In other words, jazz. Sans the dirt.

As far as piano players are concerned, Oscar Peterson is my very favorite. I also like McCoy Tyner. I think that the big jazz stars, both now and in the past...how shall I say it? These guys are as great as Bach, Beethoven; all of them. People don't know it yet. If jazz survives and is put on a pedestal as an art form, the same as classical music has been through the years, a hundred years from now the kids will know who they were, with that kind of respect.

Let's just say that, as of now, it doesn't look good.

Greed has driven the world crazy.

Greed. Here, however, I always come back to this:
"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind."


I would like you to know, I am a doctor of music.

Let's note this, and move one.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:53 am

Nein

Summer. When the days are long. Life is short. And any contradictions are easily explained by science.


Next up: Fall.

Wochenende. It’s longer in German.

Just not literally.

Save the world. Delete a tweet.

Actually, he means Twitter [the whole fucking thing] of course.

Monday. The cruelest month.

Not unlike all the other days.

How to find happiness: Think of where you last saw it.

Anyone ever seen it here?

Sorry, sir. This is your best life.

Not only that but his only life.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:07 pm

Roger Penrose

Understanding is, after all, what science is all about — and science is a great deal more than mindless computation.


Anyone here care to demur?

It is hard to see how one could begin to develop a quantum-theoretical description of brain action when one might well have to regard the brain as "observing itself" all the time!

And then going all the way back to, say, an understanding of existence itself.

No doubt there are some who, when confronted with a line of mathematical symbols, however simply presented, can only see the face of a stern parent or teacher who tried to force into them a non-comprehending parrot-like apparent competence--a duty and a duty alone--and no hint of magic or beauty of the subject might be allowed to come through.

That sounds about right, he noted.

My own way of thinking is to ponder long and I hope deeply on problems and for a long time which I keep away for years and years and I never really let them go.

Unlike, say, almost all of us here.

It seems to me that we must make a distinction between what is "objective" and what is "measurable" in discussing the question of physical reality, according to quantum mechanics. The state-vector of a system is, indeed, not measurable , in the sense that one cannot ascertain, by experiments performed on the system, precisely (up to proportionality) what the state is; but the state-vector does seem to be (again up to proportionality) a completely objective property of the system, being completely characterized by the results it must give to experiments that one might perform.

Great, the state-vector again.

Well, I don’t know if I can comment on Kant or Hegel because I’m no real philosopher in the sense of knowing what these people have said in any detail so let me not comment on that too much.

Can you imagine that stopping you, Kid?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:56 pm

Werner Twertzog

Everything is terrible. And isn't that wonderful?


No, really, it is.

Sorry, young people, the earth is owned by the dead, and they have plans for it.

I know that I will.

Of course, the aliens did it, if by "aliens," you mean the Trilateral commission, the Illuminati, and those guys who camp at Bohemian Grove.

Next up: the Bilderberg crowd.

Eat, drink, and be merry, I am told, for you are a long time dead.

And some speculate it's forever.

Anthony Quinn once pointed a stiletto at my throat. I denounced him, obscenely, in Bairisch. He lowered the knife, and ordered two Mezcal.

Can you say that?

I do not trust those who choose religious professionalism before they have experienced great loss.

And, sure, those who choose philosophical professionalism.
Maybe even especially them.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:19 pm

Dan Savage

Owning a gun in America is one way for conservative white males to demonstrate their anger at crime, liberalism, feminism, and modernity.


Let's decide: genes or memes?

Every American may have equal access to ice cream, but there's no guarantee that the outcome of eating ice cream will be equal.

This certainly trivializes something.

Actual gay people can make many others feel uncomfortable and paranoid because they don't know and can't articulate what makes a person gay, and they worry that maybe they themselves are gay.

Next up: Actual philosophers.

The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it.

Gasp!

I get letters every year from women who think Valentine's Day is an empty exercise, but are ironically pretty exercised when their boyfriends neglect or forget it.

Let's explain this.

Relationships are monuments build on lies.

Ain't that the truth.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Pythagoras

There is geometry in the humming of the strings, there is music in the spacing of the spheres.


Next up: blah blah blah.

Souls never die, but always on quitting one abode pass to another. All things change, nothing perishes. The soul passes hither and thither, occupying now this body, now that... As a wax is stamped with certain figures, then melted, then stamped anew with others, yet it is always the same wax. So, the Soul being always the same, yet wears at different times different forms.

Just what we need...more fucking Soul crap.
You know, if it is crap.


Hate and fear breed a poison in the blood, which if continued, affects eyes, ears, nose and the organs of digestion. Therefore, it is not wise to hear and remember the unkind things others might say about you.

Like that has ever had anything to do with wisdom.

Silence is better than unmeaning words.

What do you think...a typo?

Each celestial body, in fact each and every atom, produces a particular sound on account of its movement, its rhythm or vibration. All these sounds and vibrations form a universal harmony in which each element, while having it’s own function and character, contributes to the whole.

:lol:
Unless of course I'm wrong


Truth is so great a perfection, that if God would render himself visible to men, he would choose light for his body and truth for his soul.

He was left with no choice: :banana-dance:
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:29 pm

Existential Comics

Socialism will never work, people are too selfish. That's why we have a system where you work your entire life to make your boss richer while you get the scraps. To accommodate your natural selfishness.


He does have a point, right?
Well, if not yours of course.


Philosophy is important because without it how will we ever answer questions like "is philosophy important?"

Or, perhaps, ask questions like that?

British novel: let's go to a party and find a wife.
German novel: let's go to the wilderness and find ourselves.
Russian novel: let's go to the depths of despair and then find out there is an even deeper level of despair we didn't know about and go there.


American novel: Let's turn this into a blockbuster movie.

Haven't you heard? Communism is awful, millions died.
But haven't millions died under capitalism too?
Yes, but under capitalism poor people deserve to die.


Among other things, two different takes on the masses.

A good philosopher is one who is obviously right, and no one can possibly refute.
A great philosopher is one who is obviously wrong, and no one can possibly refute.


Someone run this by Ecmandu. :wink:

I've been trying to follow all the Brexit drama, but the one thing that still confuses me is how did the English conquer the world?

My guess: In the same way that America elected Trump.
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Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:03 am

Wanda Sykes

Since when did I become the spokesperson for nappy-headed hos?


Anyone here know?

Some black people want to get in touch with their African roots. But then you got some black people that just don't give a damn. You tell them, 'Hey, I just got back from the motherland.' "They're like, 'Where'd you go - Detroit? Did you see The Temptations?'

If I were black, I wouldn't give a damn, he thought.

Being gay is harder than being black. I didn't have to come out black. I didn't have to tell my parents about what its like to be black.

Makes sense to me.

That's proof right there that men and women are on different levels because men can watch two women together and that's a turn-on. It doesn't work the same way for us, does it, ladies? No, uh-uh - it doesn't work the same. You ask any woman in here her sexual fantasy, and I will bet you a million dollars that it's NOT to go home and catch your man bent over with some big, burly guy standing behind him.

Maybe even five million dollars.

I enjoy stand-up because it has the biggest reward: instant gratification. You can hear the people laughing.

Hopefully with and not at you.

I knew something was wrong with the economy when the shampoo girl at my salon closed on a six bedroom house.

Hell, that might make anyone suspicious.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:57 pm

Woody Guthrie

It's a folk singer's job to comfort disturbed people and to disturb comfortable people.


Unless of course you go electric.

I would like to see every single soldier on every single side, just take off your helmet, unbuckle your kit, lay down your rifle, and set down at the side of some shady lane, and say, nope, I aint a gonna kill nobody. Plenty of rich folks wants to fight. Give them the guns.

Nope, nothing like that yet.

Any fool can make something complicated. It takes a genius to make it simple.

Unless, of course, you go too far and it just becomes simplistic.

Some men rob you with a six-gun -- others rob you with a fountain pen.

Fuck them both, he thought.

If we fix it so's you can't make money on war, we'll all forget what we're killing folks for.

Not counting the Nazis.

I love a good man outside the law, just as much as I hate a bad man inside the law.

Cue, among others, Pretty Boy Floyd: https://youtu.be/G4YKUJZI5Bg
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:29 pm

Werner Twertzog

It is important,
To tell the young,
They can be "Anything they can dream,"
So that, one day,
They'll blame themselves,
Instead of the system.


Yep, that still works like a charm.

Jerry Seinfeld meets death.
Asks, "What's up with the scythe?
Is the scythe really necessary?
Are we wheat?"
He dies.
The rest is silence.


Of course we'll need to hear death's side of it.

Sorry, that was a butt-dial, Your Holiness.

Butt-dialing. Is that a real thing?

Ducks, in a row, can be devoured more efficiently.

The part they always leave out.

I do not want a menu, just tell me what to eat.

Someone try this and get back to us.

Time is running out for me to become a "honky tonk man."

Actually, it's never even occurred to me.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:57 pm

Oswald Spengler

Once upon a time, Freedom and Necessity were identical; but now what is understood by freedom is in fact indiscipline.


Cue, among other things, pop culture and mindless consumption. Though not necessarily in that order.

Optimism is Cowardice.

He means philosophicallly I suspect. And certainly politically.

By understanding the world I mean being equal to the world. It is the hard reality of living that is the essential, not the concept of life, that the ostrich philosophy of idealism propounds.

Let's just say that here you know who you are.

In other words: what we call history is the specific form in which the cycles of nature are acted out in man-made form.

Of course he's just paraphrasing Satyr.

Is there a logic of history? Is there, beyond all the casual and incalculable elements of the separate events, something that we may call a metaphysical structure of historic humanity, something that is essentially independent of the outward forms — social, spiritual and political — which we see so clearly?

Nope. No way. Nada.

At all times and in all places, the men and women of every culture deserve each other.

And that was never more true than today. And, no, not just in America.
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Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Art Spiegelman

Comics are a gateway drug to literacy.


Trust me: not always.

No matter what I accomplish, it doesn't seem like much compared to surviving Auschwitz.

That might even be true for all of us.

I became a degenerate artist. My parents were shaped by their own experiences, and artists weren't so useful in the death camps.

Surely, a non sequitur.

When a technology is replaced by another technology, the previous technology either becomes art or it dies.

Example?

With any work worth its salt, you have to trust the author enough to take its measure. And if you apply too many preconceptions, you are not taking its measure.

Worth its salt? Really, what's that a measure of?

What's called art now probably has some legitimate things happening in it, but I've become more and more distrustful of a lot of it because it seems like an extension of the fashion trade and the stock market.

Or the soup can folks.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:08 pm

tiny nietzsche

a coworker asked if he should get a twitter account. I asked if he had ever seen a river filled with garbage on fire


Of course there is a bit of irony here.

hot girls in the time of cholera

Hell, for that matter, hot girls in the time of Trump.

let's ruin it together

I'll go first.

might as well face it, you're addicted to drugs

You know, paraphrasing Robert Palmer.

other types of sobriety:
eventually
pretty close
court ordered


And then death of course.

a cool date would be leaving me alone

If only from the cradle to the grave.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:01 am

Bob Dylan

Art can lead you to God. I think that's the purpose of everything. If it's not doing that, what's it doing? It's leading you the other way. It's certainly not leading you nowhere.


Let alone nowhere fast.

My songs always sound a lot better in person than they do on the record.

Not unlike my posts, he thought.

Somebody had to be Bob Dylan. I guess I was best equipped to do the job.

Well, until he went electric some say.

Anything I can sing, I call a song. Anything I can't sing, I call a poem.

Not much that doesn't cover I guess.

The only person you have to think about lying twice to is either yourself or to God. The press isn't either of them. And I just figured they're irrelevant.

Not a lot press in our lives though.

The warrior who's strength is not to fight.

Something to strive for, perhaps? I know: just not in this world.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Blake Crouch

There was simply nothing in his experience that even compared with the thrill of killing to protect his family. In this moment, it was the purpose of his existence. He felt, possibly for the first time in his life, like a fucking man.


Imagine then the thrill of going postal.

Most astrophysicists believe that the force holding stars and galaxies together—the thing that makes our whole universe work—comes from a theoretical substance we can’t measure or observe directly. Something they call dark matter. And this dark matter makes up most of the known universe.

Of course that's all determined too.

'Before I built a wall I’d ask to know what I was walling in, or walling out.’ Robert Frost wrote that.

Trump's already figured that part out.

You’ve killed a hundred and thirty people, and you’re getting squeamish at sticking your finger up a girl’s ass? Some people pay to do it.

Anyone ever said that to you?

It’s the beautiful thing about youth. There’s a weightlessness that permeates everything because no damning choices have been made, no paths committed to, and the road forking out ahead is pure, unlimited potential.

And then the actual youth it's all wasted on.

Do you know how a gun works?
They hurt you.
They can. I shot a bullet into the back of Molly’s head so she wouldn’t be sick or sad anymore.
Did it hurt her?


So, would it?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:22 pm

so sad today

is anything worse than everything?


Not even close.

when people say “how are you?” i never really know

Actually, he suggested, you never really can know.

can’t believe this giant disgusting thing is just a feeling

And there are hundreds more lined up.

even my fantasies reject me

Though, so far, not my dreams.

brb, i’m imagining the worst

I'll tell you what I'm imagining if you'll tell me what you're imagining.

the revolution will be monetized

And then turned into bets at Vegas.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:02 am

Fiona Apple

It's calm under the waves in the blue of my oblivion.


Dead calm eventually.

I read on the Internet that I was dead.

I Googled it: nothing.

I only write when I'm angry or sad, so because that's when I just have to write... If I'm having a good time and I'm happy and things are going really well, why would I want to stop what I'm doing to go and write at the piano?

For some of us, nothing could be more reasonable.

I never went to concerts when I was a kid, so I never knew if what I was doing onstage was right.

Anyone know if she figured it out?

As a person who performs on stage, it's good to be emotionally open. If you mess with someone when they are in that state, it's like you're messing with an animal when it's eating.

How about when we're performing here?

I got into therapy in the fifth grade because I said in a sarcastic way that I was going to kill myself, and they didn't get it then. Nothing's changed.

The fifth fucking grade?!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:19 pm

Neal Stephenson

The old guard believe in that code because they came to it the hard way. They raise their children to believe in that code—but their children believe it for entirely different reasons.
They believe it, the Constable said, because they have been indoctrinated to believe it.
Yes. Some of them never challenge it—they grow up to be small minded people, who can tell you what they believe but not why they believe it. Others become disillusioned by the hypocrisy of the society and rebel—as did Elizabeth Finkle-McGraw.
Which path do you intend to take, Nell? said the Constable, sounding very interested. Conformity or rebellion?
Neither one. Both ways are simple-minded—they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.


Ah, the simple-minded objectivists again.

Seven billion who need to be kept happy, and docile, until the end. How do you do that? What's the best way to calm down a scared kid, get them to go back to sleep? Tell them a story. Some shit about Jesus or whatever.

Ah, the happy, docile objectivists again.

Juanita believes that nothing is provably true or provably false in the Bible. Because if it's provably false, then the Bible is a lie, and if it's provably true, then the existence of God is proven and there's no room for faith.

Looks like we're gonna be stuck here for at least forever.

Even the word ‘science' comes from an Indo-European root meaning ‘to cut' or ‘to separate.' The same root led to the word ‘shit,' which of course means to separate living flesh from nonliving waste. The same root gave us ‘scythe' and ‘scissors' and ‘schism,' which have obvious connections to the concept of separation.

Or the reality od separation: Either/or. Is/ought.

It’s not about how women are deficient. It’s more about how men are deficient. Our social deficiencies, lack of perspective, or whatever you want to call it, is what enables us to study one species of dragonfly for twenty years, or sit in front of a computer for a hundred hours a week writing code. This is not the behavior of a well-balanced and healthy person, but it can obviously lead to great advances in synthetic fibers. Or whatever.

There's something important in this. Let's find it.

The revolution proceeded routinely and according to the rules of networked 21st-century protest.

Among other things, all ones and zeros.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:46 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"In the end, when it's over, all that matters is what you've done." Alexander the Great


Right, like you'll be around to defend it.

“The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.” C.G. Jung

So, is that right or wrong?

"I can receive nothing more from these tragic solitudes than a little empty purity." Jean-Paul Sartre

How empty?

"Nothingness lies coiled in the heart of being - like a worm." Jean-Paul Sartre

And there are more worms where that one comes from.

"To love truth for truth's sake is the principal part of human perfection in this world, and the seed-plot of all other virtues.” John Locke

Things only philosophers say.

"No man's knowledge here can go beyond his experience.” John Locke

Of course that's when me and my ilk cue dasein.
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