a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:49 pm

Blake Crouch

Do you hear that? Ethan asked.
Hear what?
For five seconds, Ethan was silent on the line. That's the sound of me not giving a fuck.


Let's come up with the equivalent of that here. Only no time limit.

The world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely.

Or, as the case may be, barely.

I hate clowns!
That’s not a real clown, another boy said. That’s just some guy dressed up like a clown!


Can YOU tell them apart?

I am not allowed to think I’m crazy. I am only allowed to solve this problem.

For example, consent violation. :wink:

Look, I say, I’ve tried to explain to you how the box works, but forget all that for a minute. Here’s the thing. The box isn’t all that different from life. If you go in with fear, fear is what you’ll find.

Fear being the least of it.
Right?


You don’t have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. --- C.S. Lewis

Clever if nothing else.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 pm

Jacqueline Woodson

I believe in one day and someday and this perfect moment called Now.


Just not in this really, really imperfect Now.

Time comes to us softly, slowly. It sits beside us for a while. Then, long before we are ready, it moves on.

Trust me: not all time.

You can't always be pushing people away. Someday nobody'll come back.

Unless of course that's actually the whole point.

When there are many worlds
you can choose the one
you walk into each day.


Unless of course this is the only world there is.

In all your getting, get understanding.

Just don't expect to get understood.

Sometimes...you have to try to forget people you love just so you can keep living.

They see to that, don't they?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:07 pm

so sad today

just checking to see if everything is still fucking stupid and it is


I've put that on automatic pilot myself.

i need so much shit i don’t need

On the other hand, I want so much shit I don't have.

she died as she lived, feeling like she was about to die

Well, that's the end of that.

it’s a beautiful day to be in denial

Or an ugly day not to be.

fears:
-disappearing
-not disappearing


Or, sure, the other way around.

i would consider getting out of bed if the world was another bed

Maybe in Heaven?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm

Neal Stephenson

But Jack was not Polish scum of the earth, barefoot and chained to the land, or even French scum of the earth, in wooden clogs and in thrall to the priest and the tax-farmer, but English scum of the earth in good boots, equipped with certain God-given rights that were (as rumor had it) written down in a Charter somewhere, and armed with a loaded gun.


No getting around the scum part though.

Kids who are obsessed with locks frequently turn into adults who are obsessed with crypto.

Once again: genes or memes?

...he liked his transcendence out in plain sight where he could keep an eye on it -- say, in a nice stained-glass window -- not woven through the fabric of life like gold threads through a brocade.

You know, if transcendence is even a thing.

Put 'em on and be yourself, mister alienated loner steppenwolf bemused distant meta-izing technocrat rationalist fucking shithead.

He left out objectivist. Right, Kid?

In order to stay alive, you have to spend all day every day doing stupid meaningless work. And the only way to get out of it is to quit, cut loose, take a flyer, and go off into the wicked world, where you will be swallowed up and never heard from again.

Too close to call, isn't it?

If the manifest of ingredients on the bottle had been legible, it would have read something like this: Water, blackstrap molasses, imported habanero peppers, salt, garlic, ginger, tomato puree, axle grease, real hickory smoke, snuff, butts of clove cigarettes, Guinness Stout fermentation dregs, uranium mill tailings, muffler cores, monosodium glutamate, nitrates, nitrites, nitrotes and nitrutes, nutrites, natrotes, powdered pork nose hairs, dynamite, activated charcoal, match-heads, used pipe cleaners, tar, nicotine, single-malt whiskey, smoked beef lymph nodes, autumn leaves, red fuming nitric acid, bituminous coal, fallout, printer's ink, laundry starch, drain cleaner, blue chrysotile asbestos, carrageenan, BHA, BHT, and natural flavorings.

Could be ketchup, mustard or mayonnaise, right?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:04 pm

Miles Davis

I usually write from the rhythm section...If a drummer got a funky beat on some things - like a half-shuffle or a shuffle or a backbeat that's even - I can write something.


Of course that's just common sense.

I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one thing, a musician.

What's the equivalent of that here?

If you don't know what to play, play nothing.

What's the equivalent of that here?

Jazz is an Uncle Tom word. They should stop using that word for selling.

Wow, is this actually true?

You can't play anything on a horn that Louis Armstrong hasn't played.

That's a stretch, right?

Look, man, all I am is a trumpet player.

He means all he was was a trumpet player.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:14 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Slept, awoke, slept, awoke, miserable life." Franz Kafka


Died.

"Instead of seeking new landscapes, develop new eyes." Marcel Proust

No, you moron, not literally.

"The truth is always an abyss." Franz Kafka

I know: not yours.

"In the fight between you and the world, back the world." Franz Kafka

Objectively as it were.

A lawyer is a person who writes a 10,000-word document and calls it a "brief." Franz Kafka

Technically as it were.

"Faith is not uprooted by dialectic proof; it must already be deeply shaken by other causes to be unable to withstand the shock of argument.” Emile Durkheim

Out in the real world for example.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:02 pm

Kelley Armstrong

Dont talk to the crazy kids. I longed to shout back that we weren't crazy. I'd mistaken her kid for a ghost, that's all.


Probably Casper, right?

I had to take responsibility, even if it meant saying no to an authority figure, because I was the authority on me.

Little does she know, he smirked.

Maybe my expectations for honesty are too high.

He thought, walking out of the Oval Office.

Never go easy on allies if you have to take them down. Especially allies. You’re already fighting the urge not to hurt them. Counteract that and hit them with everything you’ve got.

We'll need a context of course.

My past was a private obstacle, not a public excuse.

Unless you need it to be.

A name is so important. A surname connects you to your past, to your family. Even a given name has meaning - why did your parents pick that particular one?

Let's run this by Engelbert Humperdinck.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:10 pm

André Aciman

Most of us can't help but live as though we've got two lives to live, one is the mockup, the other the finished version, and then there are all those versions in between.


You know where I'd be going with this.

People who read are hiders. They hide who they are. People who hide don’t always like who they are.

People who write too.

Is it better to speak or die?

No.

If I could have him like this in my dreams every night of my life, I'd stake my entire life on dreams and be done with the rest.

You know the one.

I suddenly realized that we were on borrowed time, that time is always borrowed, and that the lending agency exacts its premium precisely when we are least prepared to pay and need to borrow more...

That's God of course. After all, what's the alternative?

Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine.

And then some of us know the rest.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:59 pm

Margaret Atwood from The Testaments

We were custodians of an invaluable treasure that existed, unseen, inside us; we were precious flowers that had to be kept safely inside glass houses, or else we would be ambushed and our petals would be torn off and our treasure would be stolen and we would be ripped apart and trampled by the ravenous men who might lurk around any corner, out there in the wide sharp-edged sin-ridden world.


Either that or [for some] new meat.

You’ll be looking to make a niche for yourself in whatever dim, echoing caverns of academia may still exist by your time.

Philosophers in particular, right?

The adult female body was one big booby trap as far as I could tell. If there was a hole, something was bound to be shoved into it and something else was bound to come out, and that went for any kind of hole: a hole in a wall, a hole in a mountain, a hole in the ground. There were so many things that could be done to it or go wrong with it, this adult female body, that I was left feeling I would be better off without it.

Of course men have a few holes too. But point taken.

The muscles of my face were beginning to hurt. Under some conditions, smiling is a workout.

Not unlike a grimace.

But sins must not be overlooked simply because the sinner is skilled.

Lots of loopholes though.

Such regrets are of no practical use. I made choices, and then, having made them, I had fewer choices. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and I took the one most travelled by. It was littered with corpses, as such roads are. But as you will have noticed, my own corpse is not among them.

Of course that was then.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:18 am

Philosophy Tweets

"Dialectic is the art of intellectual fencing; and it is only when we so regard it that we can erect it into a branch of knowledge.” Arthur Schopenhauer


Now that's some serious philosophy!

“The usual duty of the 'intellectual' is to argue for complexity and to insist that phenomena in the world of ideas should not be sloganized or reduced to easily repeated formulae” Christopher Hitchens

Now that's some serious philosophy!

“What can oppose the decline of the west is not a resurrected culture but the utopia that is silently contained in the image of its decline.” Theodor W. Adorno

Our utopia of course.

“I am not what happened to me, I am what I choose to become.” Carl Jung

"I" on the other hand....

"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man." Galileo Galilei

Let's exchange sparks then.

“He who says either that the time for philosophy has not yet come or that it has passed is like someone who says that the time for happiness has not yet come or that it has passed.” Epicurus

Why is this absurd? You know, among other things.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:57 pm

Robert M. Pirsig

If your mind is truly, profoundly stuck, then it might be much better off than when it was loaded with ideas.


On the other hand, stuck on what?

It was the ghost of rationality itself ... This is the ghost of normal everyday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only madmen ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says.

Spooky, isn't it?

Mountains should be climbed with as little effort as possible and without desire. The reality of your own nature should determine the speed. If you become restless, speed up. If you become winded, slow down. You climb the mountain in an equilibrium between restlessness and exhaustion.

There must be a half-truth in there somewhere.

Programs of a political nature are important end products of social quality that can be effective only if the underlying structure of social values is right. The social values are right only if the individual values are right. The place to improve the world is first in one's heart and head and hands, and then work outward from there.

This fucking myth again, he thought.

Mental reflection is so much more interesting than TV it's a shame more people don't switch over to it.

Of course we know why, don't we?

Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out of society, which originates out of inorganic nature. And, as anthropologists know so well, what a mind thinks is as dominated by biological patterns as social patterns are dominated by biological patterns and as biological patterns are dominated by inorganic patterns.

Those goddamn genes and memes again!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:43 pm

Philosophy Tweets

“Three keys to success: read, read, read.” Vladimir Lenin


The right books of course.

“When I wake up, I wake to something worse. It’s the astonishment of being myself.” Jorge Luis Borges

Grimmer still: my own rendition of it.

“The art of writing is mysterious, the opinions we hold are ephemeral....” Jorge Luis Borges

So, is this a universal truth?

"To attain knowledge, add things everyday. To attain wisdom, remove things every day." ― Lao Tse

The devil here being in the details.

“Reality is not always probable, or likely.” Jorge Luis Borges

Not counting death of course.

"Beauty presents an indeterminate concept of Understanding, the sublime an indeterminate concept of Reason.” Immanuel Kant

Yeah, sounds like something he'd say.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:15 pm

Julian Assange

If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth.


We'll need a context of course.

Every War in the past 50 Years is a Result of Media Lies.

That and the military industrial complex.

You can either be informed and your own rulers, or you can be ignorant and have someone else, who is not ignorant, rule over you.

In theory as it were.

One of the best attributes of human beings is that they're adaptable; one of the worst attributes of human beings is they are adaptable. They adapt and start to tolerate abuses, they adapt to being involved themselves in abuses, they adapt to adversity and they continue on.

The rest being, as they say, history.

The emails that give evidence of access for money and how Hillary Clinton herself benefited from this and how she is benefitting politically, are quite extraordinary.

Next up: Joe Biden.

The only way to keep a secret is to never have one.

Among other things, this is far too extreme to be true.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:33 pm

Pythagoras

Do not despise anyone: an atom shadowing.


A little help with this one please.

There are men and gods, and beings like Pythagoras.

Am I the only one here who understands that?

Number is the ruler of forms and ideas, and the cause of gods and demons.

My guess: pi.

As the sea-crab swimmeth always against the stream, so doth wit always against wisdom.

Hey, Kids, what do you think?

Above all have respect for yourself.

You know, if you deserve it.

The earth affords a lavish supply of riches of innocent foods, and offers you banquets that involve no bloodshed or slaughter; only beasts satisfy their hunger with flesh, and not even all of those, because horses, cattle, and sheep live on grass.

Pythagoras for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:10 pm

Philosophy Tweets

“I think you should be serious about what you do because this is it. This is the only life you’ve got.” Philip Seymour Hoffman


And how ironic is that?

"What makes ontological questions meaningless when taken absolutely is not universality but circularity." Willard Van Orman Quine

A world of words, right?

"I never believed that U2 wanted to save the whales. I don't believe that The Beastie Boys are ready to lay it down for Tibet." Iggy Pop

Let's finally pin this down.

“It's enough for me to be sure that you and I exist at this moment.” Gabriel García Márquez

Or, rather, it once was.

“Do you think that I count the days? There is only one day left, always starting over: it is given to us at dawn and taken away from us at dusk.” Jean-Paul Sartre

Right, like they are all exactly the same.

“There may be more beautiful times, but this one is ours.” Jean-Paul Sartre

My guess: for better or for worse.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:23 pm

Lynda Barry

A man who has been dead for a week in a hot trailer looks more like a man than you would first expect.


Yep, that's always been my experience.

Dear Anyone Who Finds This, Do not blame the drugs.

Or [this time] the objectivists.

I remember my comic strips being called "new wave." It bugged me.

Even though [back then] it was.

I started doing cartoons when I was about 21. I never thought I would be a cartoonist. It happened behind my back. I was always a painter and drawer.

Lucky for us.

I was unable to sleep and I would stay up and draw these little cartoons. Then a friend showed them around. Before I knew it I was a cartoonist.

Or [never in a million years]: I was unable to sleep and I would stay up and write philosophy essays. Then a friend showed them around. Before I knew it I was a philosopher.

My goal on my bucket list is to write a romantic comedy movie.

Yes, of course she's kidding.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:55 pm

Phil Ochs

One good song with a message can bring a point more deeply to more people than a thousand rallies.


Our own message preferably.

In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion
One of the shadiest of these is the liberals
An outspoken group on many subjects
Ten degrees to the left of center in good times
Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally
Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic


You decide: https://youtu.be/0nFvhhCulaw

And if there's any hope for America, it lies in a revolution, and if there's any hope for a revolution in America, it lies in getting Elvis Presley to become Che Guevara.

Know the backstory here?

It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall


In particular the young without college deferments.

The final story, the final chapter of Western man, I believe, lies in Los Angeles.

I guess you had to be there.

Beneath the greatest love lies a hurricane of hate.

And not just in Dallas.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:33 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"God has given to man no sharper spur to victory than contempt of death." Hannibal


Not counting miscarriages of course.

"Dogmatism and skepticism are both, in a sense, absolute philosophies; one is certain of knowing, the other of not knowing. What philosophy should dissipate is certainty, whether of knowledge or ignorance." Bertrand Russell

I'm rather skeptical of dogmatism myself. Just not objectively.

"She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist." Jean-Paul Sartre

The perfect compromise?

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." Carl Jung

Let's explain how that's done.

"The difficulty is not so great to die for a friend, as to find a friend worth dying for." Homer

Nope, not yet. And, truth be told, not even close.

"The world will ask you who you are, and if you don't know, the world will tell you." Carl Jung

Or, here, I will.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:00 pm

Douglas Adams

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.


How to put this in perspective, he wondered.

We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.

About practically anything, he suspected.

There's always a moment when you start to fall out of love, whether it's with a person or an idea or a cause, even if it's one you only narrate to yourself years after the event: a tiny thing, a wrong word, a false note, which means that things can never be quite the same again.

Alas, this is an all too real thing.

All you really need to know for the moment is that the universe is a lot more complicated than you might think, even if you start from a position of thinking it's pretty damn complicated in the first place.

Yet look how many folks here alone claim to know everything about it. And, no, not just the Kids.

But the plans were on display…
On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.
That’s the display department.
With a flashlight.
Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.
So had the stairs.
But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?
Yes, said Arthur, yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard'.


You want this to be a true story, don't you?

Did I do anything wrong today, he said, or has the world always been like this and I've been too wrapped up in myself to notice?

Anyone here know for sure?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:33 pm

Bob Dylan

Frank Sinatra sang to you, not at you, like so many pop singers today. Even singers of standards. I never wanted to be a singer that sings at somebody. I've always wanted to sing to somebody.


Well, in that sense, here, some post to us, others at us.

Some things are too terrible to be true.

Let alone universally true! :lol:

Gates appeal to me because of the negative space they allow. They can be closed but at the same time they allow the seasons and breezes to enter and flow. They can shut you out or shut you in. And in some ways there is no difference.

How about walls?

If you like someone's work, the important thing is to be exposed to everything that person has been exposed to. Anyone who wants to be a songwriter should listen to as much folk music as they can, study the form and structure of stuff that has been around for 100 years.

Fuck all that, he thought.

The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles.

Unless you'll settle for "rich and powerful".

I'm not a playwright. The people in my songs are all me.

He means "me" of course.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:58 pm

Blake Crouch

We live day to day completely oblivious to the fact that we’re a part of a much larger and stranger reality than we can possibly imagine.


Comfortably oblivious for example.

Is there a fate worse than being halfway evil?

Being halfway good?

The Many-Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics posits that all possible realities exist. That everything which has a probability of happening is happening. Everything that might have occurred in our past did occur, only in another universe. What if that’s true?

I know, let's start living our lives as though it was.

There is no such thing as real taste or real smell or even real sight, because there is no true definition of ‘real.’

Right, see how far that takes you.

And still, he was here. And by virtue of that fact, or rather because of it, this place wasn’t perfect. His experience, there was darkness everywhere human beings gathered. The way of the world. Perfection was a surface thing. The epidermis. Cut a few layers deep, you begin to see some darker shades. Cut to the bone—pitch black.

Six feet under in particular.

You can reign in hell here on the outside, or serve in heaven, back in Pines.

Let's think of a third option.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:58 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said." Voltaire


Fuck it, let's say it anyway.

"We forget that we are all dead men conversing with dead men." Jorge Luis Borges

Now of course that includes women.

"Heresy is a cradle; orthodoxy a coffin." Robert Green Ingersoll

Take that, Mr. Objectivist!

"By identifying the new learning with heresy, you make orthodoxy synonymous with ignorance." Desiderius Erasmus

Take that, Mr. Objectivist!

"Truth is a property of sentences, since sentences are dependent for their existence upon vocabularies, and since vocabularies are made by human beings, so are truths.” Richard Rorty

Even I think this goes too far.

"The world is out there, but descriptions of the world are not.” Richard Rorty

Here, for example, many don't even come close.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:46 pm

Erin Morgenstern

You may tell a tale that takes up residence in someone's soul, becomes their blood and self and purpose. That tale will move them and drive them and who knows that they might do because of it, because of your words.


Not my words though, right?

People see what they wish to see. And in most cases, what they are told that they see.

But not what I tell them to see, right?

The circus arrives without warning. No announcements precede it. It is simply there, when yesterday it was not.

And that includes the clowns of course.

I am tired of trying to hold things together that cannot be held. Trying to control what cannot be controlled. I am tired of denying myself what I want for fear of breaking things I cannot fix. They will break no matter what we do.

Nothing new here, is there?

We lead strange lives, chasing our dreams around from place to place.

If only from the day we are born.

The most difficult thing to read is time. Maybe because it changes so many things.

Naturally as it were. And, then, from time to time, unnaturally.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"The future has no other reality than as present hope, and the past is no more than present memory." Jorge Luis Borges


And then right up to the day we die.

"To be aware of limitations is already to be beyond them." Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Of course he's only paraphrasing Slavoj Žižek.

"Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights." Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Of course he's only paraphrasing me paraphrasing William Barrett.

"Some other faculty than the intellect is necessary for the apprehension of reality." Henri Bergson

Uh, no shit?

"To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly." Henri Bergson

Of course we'll need to redefine endlessly here.

"The greater part of mankind may be divided into two classes; that of shallow thinkers who fall short of the truth; and that of abstruse thinkers who go beyond it." David Hume

Let's not mention any names, okay Fixed Cross? :wink:
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Neal Stephenson

In your Primer you have a resource that will make you highly educated, but it will never make you intelligent. That comes from life. Your life up to this point has given you all the experience you need to be intelligent, but you have to think about those experiences.


It would have to be that, right Kids?

So which theory did Lagos believe in? The relativist or the universalist?
He did not seem to think there was much of a difference. In the end, they are both somewhat mystical. Lagos believed that both schools of thought had essentially arrived at the same place by different lines of reasoning.


I dare you to bring this down to earth.Or, sure, you can dare me to.

...to insist on everything’s being reasonable, in a world that wasn’t, was, in itself, unreasonable.

And that's only up until breakfast.

These simple terms—“come about,” for example—denote procedures that are as complicated and tradition-bound as the installation of a new Pope.

I know: Go figure.

Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker’s game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.

Someone run this by Pedro I Rengel. How about you, Ecmandu? :wink:

…he stands there reading statistics about his own death even as it’s happening to him. Very post-modern.

If not downright fucking weird.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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