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Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:30 pm

Hiding my posts on this Carleas, doesn't prevent your douchebaggery.

I posted on this a few days ago, how most posts on this site was by now basis and fascists, which the moderators, some clearly fucked up and assinine like Magsj, tolerate.... but over the years, just about everyone else has been harassed, banned and permabanned.

This site more or less qualifies as a Neo-Nazi, Fascist hotbed.

No reason it couldn't of been, say, a Maxist or a Feminist Hotbed, but no, it became a Nazi hotbed, in a era where they are actively dressing up in costumes and shooting/ swording to death students.

This site lost all balance and reasonableness, and it's because of your shitty, terrible policies Carleas. You've let a lot of bad blood be moderators over the years. Everyone was forced out, and only the shitheads remained. Were now down to stories of race wars, fears of interracial breeding, fear mongering of Islam, where even the defenders against such arguments are ignorant and uninformed.

Who else, but you, can we point the finger of shame at but you Carleas? You systematically engineered this, by plan or out of ignorance....

Hide this post, ban me, whatever.... your still very much at fault for all of this.

I don't see any difference from I love philosophy and stormfront these days.

I really, really hope the views expressed on this miserable, backwards as shit site doesn't reflect the views and opinions of most philosophers. I expect a little if this, but not the majority. Its like back in the day when this site was a,pedophile hotbed.... it only happens as the result of moderators being shitheads, and we have to look at the site administrator and ask why this is the case.

Most of your site is now Fascist, Neo-Nazis.... why Carleas? Don't blame freedom of speech, cause it clearly doesn't exist here, far too many have been banned and encouraged to leave by your shitheaded moderators.

Buck has got to stop somewhere. Seems rather obvious and sensible as the administrator, your to blame. Your fucked up, unfuck yourself.

Consider this a Cease and Assist Order, not by the law but by Ethics. Encourage a more balanced website, less race wars, less Satyrist stink (in other words, make peace, your site is now worst than his, your becoming worst) and encourage more diversity of ideas by banning Magsj and Only Human, Pav, etc and select more mentally balanced moderators. Don't ban people with a diversity of opinions.

Its gone on too long. Hitler would be proud of thus site. Its doing a great job of carrying The Banner of the Fourth Reich in it's current form.

Less race war, more philosophy. Its a simple formula. Your fucked up like a soup sandwich as you currently are. What you are is the phenomena of what is.... you keep the server for this site in the basement, you actively are involved, who can we possibly blame save for you Carleas?
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Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:11 pm

Why does everything have to be like a Bourne Supremacy movie with you man? There are no Nazis or fascists here... a few of us just say we are, stupid. We aren't really fascists. The boldest thing any of us self proclaimed fascists might do is start a discussion group online or rally downtown and march with propaganda signs. There will never be another night of the long knives, Ferguson. Stop seeing everything through your hypersensitive and inquisitive INTJ James Bond glasses.

You are making all this more intriguing than it really is. We're just a few dudes doing stuff dudes do at forums; talk about country, power, weaponry, fighting, money, women and heavy metal. Mix all that up and you justabout got the core foundations for fascism anyway.
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Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:25 pm

Turd, one of things I have learned over the years is observation bias
which means you see what you want to see. If you want to see
"neo-Nazi rhetoric" then that is what you will see, if you want to see
something else, then that is what you will see.
It is kinda a Rorschach test. You see Neo-Nazi rhetoric and so that
tells me that is what you want to see, but the question becomes, why?
I suspect misplace anger issues. Dig deep to understand your need to turn
this place into something it is clearly not. Now is there great philosophy
going on here? Sometimes, sometimes not, but it really doesn't matter
in the long run because as someone pointed out, this site is really nothing
more than a social media site. Personally, I am trying to reach some
idea's about who we are and where we need to be, but hay, I have always
been an misfit. Nothing new here. So, make this site into your vision of
what you want. BTW, I have never been banned and once or twice been warned
and I pretty much ignored the warning. Make of this site what you want to make it
and do what I do, just ignore people and do your thing, no matter what happens.
You may get banned and you may not, in either case, just do your thing and
don't worry about anyone else.

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Postby Carleas » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Hi TF. I see no record of a post of yours moved or deleted in the past few days in the logs, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. It might have been a server error, Mowk reported problems posting recently, and the server stalls about once a week.

As to the Neo-Nazism, I agree it's a sad trend, and if you read any discussion that touches on those ideas that I've participated in, you'll see where I stand. I'd prefer, as I take it you would, that there were fewer bad ideas on ILP.

But it is a problem that I won't solve by banning Neo-Nazis as such, nor by allowing people to shit-sling at them. Free speech means speech you abhor gets the same rights as speech you agree with, and that people who disrupt conversations, even when you agree with them politically, can still be at fault for disrupting a discussion of ideas you abhor.

People with hateful ideas are the drifters of the modern web, they amble from site to site, from forum to forum, getting banned for being wrong. They alight on a site like ILP, where we don't ban them for being wrong, and they tell their friends. But that's the cost of a policy that allows bad, ugly, abhorrent ideas to be expressed and examined. One response is flaming, which isn't allowed on ILP and will get people banned -- and if those people are selectively flaming Neo-Nazis, then we'll get a yet more Neo-Nazi-heavy board.

The better response, the philosophical response, is to unpack bad ideas, to show them for what they are. Neo-Nazism is simply a mistaken ideology, it's incoherent, and the reasons why that's so are extremely important to understand and express. The more Neo-Nazis there are on ILP, the more responses to them there should be that examine the ideas underlying the belief system, that point out the flaws, that shed light on the paucity of foundation for bigotry.

Unfortunately, the world will continue to contain Neo-Nazis and pedophiles. ILP won't ban them without cause, and for that I am to blame. But if you want them to go away, convince them that they're wrong.
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Postby MagsJ » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:30 pm

How many people have I permabanned over the years TF? a few. And how many people have I hounded out? zero.

If the many are being bullied and hounded, then the few that are doing it need to be kept in check, no? Over the years some of my favourite members were being bullied and decided to leave, and despite my objections, they said it wasn't worth it because they were being hounded out by others, or they got bored, or or or...

I'm pro people so please cease finger-pointing over an objective view which you think I hold - we've all been called names here on this site, but we are still here.

Neither Carleas nor us moderators are to blame for others' sensibilities to posts that they have reacted badly to... what is your view on that?
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Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:05 pm

Regarding racism, all one would need to do to prove each proclaimed racist at this site was not as hard as they say they are, is create a scenario in which it would be of little cost to save the life of some negro in distress. If Arbiter of White People was walking down the street and saw a female negro who looked like that Victoria's Secret model drowing in a lake, and the worst to happen to Arbiter would be getting wet, I think he'd save her.

Arbiter of White People would save the life of a negro because he is a...






















TRAITOR TO HIS OWN RACE!!

GET HIM BOYS!
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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:24 pm

All humans are nazis, they do genocide on cow concentration camps everyday. You are a nazi, you say transphobic hate speech, and pay money to nazis who run cow concentration camps.

How am I a nazi just for saying we need to tax humans who have kids with low iqs? All humans will be taxed, white and black. So its not racist.

How am I a nazi for saying jews were responsible for the barbaric practice of mutilating baby's genitals, and how i am a nazi for saying the jews are terrorists who invaded pakistan, and that jews are behind the money schemes and big bank conspiracy? these are the facts. i never said i wanted to murder jews, i just said some jews are bad people, so how am i a nazi? in fact i slept with a jew girl the other day and we managed to makeout despite her nose being more jew than the jokers, therefore i am not racist.
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Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:35 pm

in fact i slept with a jew girl the other day


Was she a jewish princess?
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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:38 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:
in fact i slept with a jew girl the other day


Was she a jewish princess?


more like a hot jew witch, with a sexy pointy wicked witch nose
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Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:09 pm

Those are excellent points gentlemen and I like that scale, Arbiter. I can tell you why I might be a different kind of racist then. First, I would sign legislation in a minute that made it illegal for two people who didn't meet certain criterion to reproduce. I am all for that. But what I can't do is see another language speaking human being as just an animal; the language adds a superevolutionary dimension to my being-with-others, you might say. I feel a metasympathy for human beings that I don't feel for animals. So how I would treat other people from other races would be manifestly uniform throughout with a general code of conduct set for the most basic, cooperative behavior. Why? Because when I see a human being in distress I automatically assess the world from their perspective and vantage point... and I know immediately that their state is a state I would not want to be in myself. I don't spend the time to think about their circumstances and who is to blame for them and etc, etc., yet. The immediate feeling is one of sympathy. Then I insert myself into their world and do or don't do for them what I think would be to their best advantage. I take a superior position to them in that respect.. so the fact that they are of another race or class or country is irrelevant.

So the fact that I am a eugenicist who has sympathy for all human beings, I would never treat another living person in a way that would not maximize their advantages at as little cost to me and others, as possible, regardless of what race they are.

What I am doing right now is exactly what I should be doing concerning my relationship to the negro population of this country. I'm trying not to pay taxes and I avoid them if possible. Note that I am not actively promoting their immediate extermination. I don't need to.. society is such that it can incorporate almost anything. I'm all out of racist fervor for immediate action against the lesser races for that reason. I think the world has got a handle on its lowest classes and there is nothing to worry about.

But there are people in the world who I would look square in the face and say "you should never be allowed to breed" with just as much respect, ease and lightheartedness I would have if I were to say "you're good peoples, bruh." These things should be obvious but the godforsaken liberals are brainwashing everyone.

I long for the day when everyone wears a superiometer. Whenever two people come into contact, each person's meter measures the amount of 'superiorness' radiating off the other person. The data is processed and each person is given a superior or inferior rating relative to the other. A number lights up on an LED screen over the left pocket, indicating the rank of the person. By law, the highest ranking person has a right to more liked by everyone else.
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Postby Red Skull » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:30 pm

Compares modern day National Socialists to pedophiles.

That's outrageous. These Liberal social progressives and Marxists like talking a good game on freedom but have no problem taking it away from those that disagree with them.
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Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:55 pm

Yeah that was kinda weird. I think they might be referring to that david8 guy, although I never saw him post outright any material endorsing actual pedophilia, the practice of sex with prepubescent children. Maybe he did and I missed it. I think his interest in young girls is more from an artistic perspective than a sexual perspective. As far as I know he has a daughter or two.. if I remember correctly he said it somewhere.

But I sure as shit hope they aren't talking about me because I would never be a national socialist pedophile. I'd try some kind of national socialistic ephebophilia option out for a while maybe.

I don't think a society would sustain itself set up like that, though. The standards we have in our western democratic system today for what is considered acceptable sexual interaction between human beings has worked itself out to be that way because that kind of arrangement contributes most to the functioning of the kind of economy the family is in.

In our kind of society, an average human being who begins a family before age X acquires a significant social disadvantage. Therefore, the practical age range we have set for legal intercourse between people shall be the age range people are legally entitled to start a formal family and do all the paperwork and tax stuff.

That is a very good way to structure that problem, very pragmatic and utilitarian. So you would design the rules of sexual engagement between people around the terms and conditions that would be created if those two people reproduced in that society. If those who are less than age X statistically tended to become problems and liabilities if they started a family, they are not allowed by law to engage in sex, either.

Those would be my rules, as your benevolent dictator. Firm, fair, and formulaic.
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Postby Carleas » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:13 pm

Looks like the helping/suggesting phase of this thread is all wrapped up. Locked.
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