Three AM

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Re: Three AM

Postby Meno_ » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:57 am

derleydoo wrote:
Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:ipquote="derleydo_"]MagsJ and Meno changed the rules. I'm not sure of Meno's political leanings, ....



Right..
I'm not so sure of it myself, but I would gather, I would consider a middle of the road to be a justifiable position, but since checks and balances can not define how centered is the center nowadays, I wouldn't mind seeing a triumvirate split the ominous power standing on a scary pedestal. That way balance may be perceived somewhat.

Perhaps a social democratic aristocracy, not based on writeoffs , or deep pockets, but on limits, controls, and national-international equity, based on variable values.

Naturally contradictions may be the course, however, the impending visit of Trump to Merry Old, may underline some conspiratorial function, disserving any hope for such equiminity.

As far as changing the rules, well, they were somewhat imprecise, but can be set back. On 2 blogs o was off only by a couple of hours. and as I understand it, that's fairly on target.

There are nights when I'm out of it even when not out, nut those kind of nights leave much to be desired .


The middle of the road! :lol: Made me laugh - sorry! Middle of the road is dangerous, and totally unjustifiable. My fault!
I don't have the slightest interest in your politics! I was merely messing with MagsJ. There are a good many people suffering extreme hardships in this country. Occasionally, they will overcome their apathy and actually go out and vote. Lots of them will vote for the party that seeks to conserve/preserve their hardships and their suffering. I live with them, drink with them, work with them, play with them. I would imagine that one day, scientists will be able to explain the phenomenon. Robert Tressell sought to explain it 100 plus years ago. The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. Attitudes remain.

Not entirely sure what you mean with a triumvirate? Is the 'ominous power on a scary pedestal' a reference to Mister Trump? Conspiring with the Queen? Got to be honest, I love reading your posts but it can happen that I am unable to understand what you are saying. Can you simplify your language? You use lots of words to describe what I am sure could be said using fewer words. Feel free to tell me to piss off!

Meno_ wrote:As far as changing the rules, well, they were somewhat imprecise, but can be set back. On 2 blogs o was off only by a couple of hours. and as I understand it, that's fairly on target. :lol:


Three am, or after. That is the only rule. It should be adhered to. To clarify: If you feel so inclined, you are welcome to post between 03.01 am and 02.59 am. The 'am' is superfluous, it is merely for clarity.

Meno_ wrote: There are nights when I'm out of it even when not out, nut those kind of nights leave much to be desired .


That's a pity. Been there. What do you seek to obliterate? :-k[/quote]


Since here to for I'd like to adhere to rules set forth my reply will be forth coming tomorrow after 3.
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Re: Three AM

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:38 am

derleydoo wrote:MagsJ and Meno changed the rules. I'm not sure of Meno's political leanings, but the whisper in the office has it that MagsJ is shortly to stand as the Conservative candidate for her local borough.

The three am curfew was lifted.

I have only ever posted after 3am and before noon.. which is how I've interpreted your suggested posting times, as anything after noon is not then morning, so I changed no rules derley. :x

How do you know that I haven't stood in local elections already? ;)

I will stick to the 3am to noon curfew.. if you don't mind, as I'm all about da self-discipline.. but not in a self-flagulating kinda way you understand, so much so, that I start volunteering at a local Buddhist centre soon. 8-[

6.36am.. I think I'll have my black coffee and sweet omelette breakfast. :-k
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Re: Three AM

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:48 pm

Tried. Tired. Too tired.
Compelled to by the very follicles to point.
To.
People out there deluded to think.
That.
This ain't to easy.
Compelled, complied a list of ....
Demos. How it is: Becket.
How is it apathy and all to vote for the strongman , the man who connected to the technoworld' s premium program that democracy became a cyclical whirlpool of production machine, fed on basic and higher values of vanity, and determined early. Classically fed, determined as best possible of all worlds, but now?

Running on empty, all in debt. can't nby the rules, cause evolution has regressed them to it, free yes, free , dog eat dog freedom.


Meanwhile club of Rome members chat tete a tet about the great illusive effects of the life, the film of spliced stills, how the only effective way to deny it, the reality of the living man is to reimpose a new level of dignity built directly on visions of what iit used( to be or not), but time running out,

The center has always churned this vagrant compulsive reality, and fed on increasing large diets of reprogrammed illusion, inflated infarted images programmed to shock, constructed by a d of silly con,, producing huge volumes of abstracted , deconstructed productions of chronic re instructions, , built on chronic and ongoing wars, battles waged silently, so as to diffuse and disarm with constancy, any remaining force of natural restraint but now?
Oh!

For possibly this is all that re king can suffice in an unbounded population, where left to their own devices the marginality would each tear unto the other consuming themselves.

This started not yesterday but way back when form eclipsed by content took leave of its senses, and began its long downward journey., to produce sensible hybrids living in manufactured business entities of birth and death factories.


See what an unperscribed long journey into night brings, what terrors enter the domain of the rational mind, how the absurd can sustain that phenomenon: which now, reigns a faux liberty!

And this kindly designed despot must change its wats if it is to survive and not abort, that which has become the focal point of its need to project an object for its being, and key to its survival.

For the love


Of god!$@&??!


the rule WAS observed since the planning, formation & deliverance started at 2 am and ended at 8 an Sunday morning.
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Re: Three AM

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:06 am

Confession: I posted before 3am once.. around 2.30am, so slightly off, so not too bad, but been on track otherwise.

The toilet and water called.. bumped into the cat on the way to get my water.. kissed my teeth at him, after telling him that I'm heading straight back up, so don't even bother look expectantly at me for breakfast yet.. he's always begging, or trying to find innovative ways to get extra food pouches from me, but he fails miserably because I won't bend to his will. :evil:
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Re: Three AM

Postby derleydoo » Sat May 04, 2019 4:43 am

Help! There are no rules other than those that escape our notice.

Time here has no meaning, I've been here two thousand years
And for every wasted life that's lost, I've shed a million tears
But the saddest thing of all my friend, you always think you're right
And don't the wise men know it, for they'll always let you fight.

(J K Rowling The Prisoner of Azkerban)

Funny story. I was assaulted recently.
Chap struck me. Just once.
Captured on CCTV.
The police telephoned to ask me if I had suffered any reaction.
"Well," I replied. "I'm not losing any sleep over the matter."
He also assaulted my daughter. I am able to see her house from my kitchen window.

The unexamined life! :lol:

The officer tells me my assailant is due in court on May 7th for a preliminary hearing. He informs me that the guy intends to plead Not Guilty of assault.
I ask. "Does he realise the entire incident was captured on CCTV?"
The Officer assured me he would draft a statement based upon our telephone conversation.

I received an email, but have yet to read it. Perhaps once I have read it, I shall share it. It is important that justice is seen to be done!

To be contined, HW! :)
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Re: Three AM

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 04, 2019 5:55 am

derleydoo wrote:Help! There are no rules other than those that escape our notice.

Time here has no meaning, I've been here two thousand years
And for every wasted life that's lost, I've shed a million tears
But the saddest thing of all my friend, you always think you're right
And don't the wise men know it, for they'll always let you fight.

(J K Rowling The Prisoner of Azkerban)

Funny story. I was assaulted recently.
Chap struck me. Just once.
Captured on CCTV.
The police telephoned to ask me if I had suffered any reaction.
"Well," I replied. "I'm not losing any sleep over the matter."
He also assaulted my daughter. I am able to see her house from my kitchen window.

The unexamined life! :lol:

The officer tells me my assailant is due in court on May 7th for a preliminary hearing. He informs me that the guy intends to plead Not Guilty of assault.
I ask. "Does he realise the entire incident was captured on CCTV?"
The Officer assured me he would draft a statement based upon our telephone conversation.

I received an email, but have yet to read it. Perhaps once I have read it, I shall share it. It is important that justice is seen to be done!

To be contined, HW! :)


K: assaulted!!!! my goodness, what a terrible to have happen.....
In all of my years of existence, I have never been assaulted and he
attacked your daughter!!!!.... If someone attacked me, meh, if someone
attacked my daughter or wife... there will be violence :angry-fire:

demand justice if not for yourself, at least for your daughter.....
My non violence stance ends with my family....
I am glad everyone is OK and no harm was done.....

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Re: Three AM

Postby derleydoo » Sun May 12, 2019 4:22 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
K: assaulted!!!! my goodness, what a terrible to have happen.....

Unspeakable! :D

In all of my years of existence, I have never been assaulted

What about the indoctrination of which you have spoken? Some would argue that is a form of assault!

and he attacked your daughter!!!!.... If someone attacked me, meh, if someone
attacked my daughter or wife... there will be violence :angry-fire:

A reaction to violence. It certainly crossed my mind,

demand justice if not for yourself, at least for your daughter.....
My non violence stance ends with my family....

Such is the nature of nature; the miscreant is a family member, The wheels of Justice were set in motion the moment he struck an old man. A seed was planted where a Justice tree will grow. #-o [-o< [-o< :)

I am glad everyone is OK and no harm was done.....

Well, we'll see what happens to the fella. He failed to turn up in court, Turns out he was incapacitated. He was in prison for one reason or another! I have no details

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Re: Three AM

Postby derleydoo » Sun May 12, 2019 4:54 am

Contemplating values as instructed

Say what?
You’re thirsty?
Mate, you shoulda said summint, I wouldn’t ave watered this pitch. Thing is, the lads like to slide along on their knees if they should happen to score a goal. They’d get grass burns if I didn’t give the pitch a bloody good soaking before the game. These fellas are worth a few bob. Next time.

Come again?
You’re dying?
Mate, I had no idea you was that bleedin thirsty. Ida give you some of this. Thing is, if I don’t water the track, some of the horses’ll get sore shins. These horses cost a bob or two. Shoulda said summink sooner. Next time.

Insert Paul Mc Cartney: Pipes of Peace.

Opening scene from the Movie, Ismatism. We see a guy who openly admits he does not like isms, striding across the casino floor... he is carrying a copy of Buddism Without the Suffering, :)

Apparently, I joined at a little after 3 am. It's inadmissable as an indicator of my emotional well-being.

The plants on the office window sill are beginning to sprout.
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Re: Three AM

Postby derleydoo » Sat May 18, 2019 1:19 am

https://youtu.be/lua-N4OrPKA

"What if one day there is no such thing as snow?"

No other reason. A hoax Hush. Buy one of these.
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Re: Three AM

Postby derleydoo » Sat May 25, 2019 3:50 am

Iam wrote.
Hoist tendencies?
The "here and now" is crucial to me because given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information/knowledge/ideas, "there and then" might find us arguing from a very different perspective.
As for Vietnam, you bet it was a crucial turning point in my life.
Which I try to convey here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

If there is one thing I am clearly preoccupied with at ILP, it is relationship between moral and political value judgments and the existential trajectory of the lives that we live.

And, in almost every thread in which I post about this relationship, I eventually get around to this:

1] I was raised in the belly of the working class beast. My family/community were very conservative. Abortion was a sin.


2] I was drafted into the Army and while on my "tour of duty" in Vietnam I happened upon politically radical folks who reconfigured my thinking about abortion. And God and lots of other things.
3] after I left the Army, I enrolled in college and became further involved in left wing politics. It was all the rage back then. I became a feminist. I married a feminist. I wholeheartedly embraced a woman's right to choose.
4] then came the calamity with Mary and John. I loved them both but their engagement was foundering on the rocks that was Mary's choice to abort their unborn baby.
5] back and forth we all went. I supported Mary but I could understand the points that John was making. I could understand the arguments being made on both sides. John was right from his side and Mary was right from hers.
6] I read William Barrett's Irrational Man and came upon his conjectures regarding "rival goods".
7] Then, over time, I abandoned an objectivist frame of mind that revolved around Marxism/feminism. Instead, I became more and more embedded in existentialism. And then as more years passed I became an advocate for moral nihilism.

This because in it are embedded two experiences that were of fundamental importance in shaping and then reconfiguring my own moral and political narratives.

Over the years, I have gone from an objectivist frame of mind [right vs. wrong, good vs. evil] to a way of thinking about morality in human interactions that basically revolves around moral nihilism. then, in turn, this resulted in my tumbling down into a philosophical "hole" such that for all practical purposes, "I" became increasing more fragmented.

This hole:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.

In other words, I am no longer able to think of myself as being in sync with the "real me" in sync with "the right thing to do".

So, I decided to create this thread in order for others to at least make the attempt to describe their own value judgments existentially. Values as they became interwined over the course of their lives in "experiences, relationships and information, knowledge and ideas."

The part where theory is tested in practice out in particular contexts out in particular worlds.

This thread is not for those ever intent on providing us with "general descriptions" of human interactions. Interactions that are then described almost entirely using technical or academic language.

Instead, this thread is for trying to explain [to the best of your ability] why you think you came to value some behaviors over others. Linking both the experiences you had and the ideas that you came upon that shaped and molded your thinking in reacting to them.

Wow!







Hoist tendencies?
It has been suggested, the nature of one's consciousness rises and falls in strict accordance with one's needs! If it happened that you experienced action in Vietnam, then I'm guessing you would have become pretty needy! :o :lol: [-o< Events appeared to happen in slow motion? As in a car accident? In such a condition, I would argue that it is possible to observe a higher order at play. Albeit, briefly! A present centred state of consciousness. Kind of thing one experienced as a child! (For a good few years) As Kropotkin observed, depending upon where we are born we label the Higher Order, Allah, or Geoffrey, or God, or Yahweh or Krishna or Fill in the blank!
A hoist is someone who takes the view that there is a higher order at play. Hohoho! :lol:
They could be wrong! It's a theory.
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