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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:24 am

Damnit mistakenly erased bruce lee. Will be back here momentarily:

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:00 pm

Zeroeth Nature wrote:There can no longer be any question that MagsJ is in the middle of the whole cesspool thing.

..and yet here you are?

I subliminally force people to come and post here, I suppose?
Dude.. I don’t know you, so keep your personal-life dramas out of my concern.
You and FC’s past doesn’t factor into my life or sensibilities.. such childishness.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:33 pm

Watch this guy pedro.

https://youtu.be/XuLsilXrK08
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:35 pm

Holy shit
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:42 pm

He's in the zone at 1:04... and there's a really difficult move he's adding to what you called the figure eight. I cant do it without hitting myself and never fucked with it much. And pulling it off smoothly at that speed... even though they're light weight practice chucks. That's some zone shit.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:44 pm

The point is, the kid and Lee use the fancy cobra strike strikes because they are showing off how fancy they are. But really it is a much less practical way of wielding the instrument than just whacking away with it, keeping the momentum, like a stick with give.

Jackie Chan beats your ass with a plastic chair sometimes but that doesn't mean that's the best way to use it.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:46 pm

That's also why the fat Italian guy gets confused, he gets the impression from Lee that you're supposed to do 90 degree strikes. You're not, you just imagine you are holding a stick but then when you hit something it doesn't just stop.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:55 pm

It's the nun chuck paradox. Realistically, if you are being attacked by someone who is quickly advancing on you, you have no time to execute any theatrics and end up swinging them wildly. The paradox is here. That cobra strike is more effective because you dont lose control of the chuck... the chuck doesnt bounce off your opponent. But you cant use it unless your opponent keeps a distance. So swinging them ends up being the only real option... in which case the efficiency of the chucks is significantly downgraded. In other words, damn if you do, damn if you dont. Probably a bad idea to bring your chucks to a real fight then.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:05 pm

No of course not, that is the opposite of the case.

When you swing "wildly," using the length of your arm, applying a very simple angle like with a stick, it will continue its movement even if it hits something, no matter what it hits. With a stick it would be a problem, the moment something is struck the whole momentum is ended, and you can even get counter-momentum that hurts your arm or makes you drop the weapon. And you definitely lose control. But if you put a chain in the middle it suddenly has some give and you don't lose control.

Through his vast skill, Bruce Lee confused a whole generation of nunchuk masters.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:07 pm

The drawback of the chuks isn't that they are unwieldy, but that the very thing that makes them superior to a stick for attack makes them inferior for defense. You can't really use them to block. It is an attack-only weapon.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:22 pm

Yeah but if you're on some real shit you could wrap the chain around a nigga's sword and snatch it right out if his hands.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:31 pm

Mid swing?

You're likelier to get your hands chopped off.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:34 pm

It's a street fight weapon, not a war weapon. If you are facing a sword with nunchucks, you did something wrong.

Maybe an iron star type thing where the heavy iron gives you the momentum to stop a swing or overpower a nigga's arm muscles.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:01 pm

If one were to have opinions that follow a strict pattern, such as the pattern strictly followed by the university class, but one also wished to maintain the originality and freedom of thought that are a philosopher's mark, and one postulated an abyss: the obedient ideas would not be a cover for the abyss, the abyss would be a cover for the obedience.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:23 pm

Yakking aside, let's return to, say, the reason this thread exists at all. And why it was started on the philosophy board:


From "The symbolic world" thread

Mad Man P wrote:How is religious imagery or symbolism any more profound than what we find in Harris' cookbook?
Or are you suggesting that the religious stories take hold because people don't have anything profound and therefore seek it out in bronze age fairy tales?


phoneutria wrote: kinda surprising that you have to ask this
like
what's the difference between the monalisa
and some ink splat my pen made on my shirt when it exploded?


On the other hand, what's the difference between a urinal that you piss in and a urinal you display in an art museum?

phoneutria wrote: the artist, the sculptor, the musician, the poet
are deliberately looking into themselves to find something meaningful to express
their works are inspired
and as such
they strike us immediately when we see/hear them
and we're moved by them
they ring true


Okay, but what of philosophers reading this and attempting to conclude whether it is either the optimal or the only rational assessment of the world of artists.

And artists are themselves no less the embodiment of particular historical and cultural and circumstantial contexts. They too are no less influenced by the actual experiences and relationships and access to ideas that came to become the life that they lived.

Only, in most instances, disagreements about art only rarely result in the sort of consequences that can come about as a result of disagreements over religious or moral or political prejudices.

Still, dasein is everywhere in the art world

phoneutria wrote: if you can't tell the difference between a piece of art and an ink stain
or between a poem and a fish recipe
what does that make you?


More to the point [mine] are those who reconfigure this into: if you don't agree with my own take on a piece of art or a poem what does that make you?

phoneutria wrote: if i'm misunderstanding you, please clarify
i have a coarse personality but it is mostly for humor
am talking in good faith


On the other hand, how on earth do we go about clarifying something that revolves so profoundly and problematically around conflicting artistic tastes and visions?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Iambigious says,

"And artists are themselves no less the embodiment of particular historical and cultural and circumstantial contexts. They too are no less influenced by the actual experiences and relationships and access to ideas that came to become the life that they lived."


At times artists are way a head of their time!
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:44 am

phoneutria wrote:
Zeroeth Nature wrote:Well, that's good to hear. By the way, I didn't ask if my way of life was really all that great; just yours (plural). After all, you spoke of "our old way of life", which I took to mean the traditional Brazilian way of life.


well, the traditional brazilian way of life (as I see it)
is families with little ranches who grow their subsistence and barter the excess
and it has always been a very informal thing
but there is always an expectation of trust
perhaps it is the informal nature of our commerce
that might have given way for corruption to become so pervasive
(i am speculating here)
as rules and regulations are enacted to impose upon these informal trades
and people find ways to bypass them
and if taken to the extreme
they become this pervasive culture of conducting businesses under the table
and it's looked away, ignored, taken to be a part of how things are done, left unpunished
i suppose the place where I find myself in conflict with my compatriots
because this is not what I mean by the old way of life
i want that trust to exist
the earnestness of doing things proper
even while I think those regulations shouldn't exist to begin with
all they do is create the environment for corruption to exist
(save for some exceptions)


Right... There's no good reason for those rules and regulations (save for some exceptions), they're just enacted in order to impose... And your piccolo accuses me of being a communist!


so my point was
governments have always been the greatest purveyors of war
in fact wars are one of the main pathways to funneling public money into private hands


Well, it's true that the US is basically still in World War II, because it was so lucrative (the Security State).


I think you only fear mobs more than you fear governments
cuz you don't live in one of dem ass backwards sand nigger countries where they offshore the wars to nowadays


Sure, those "shitty little war[s] we have running over there", as US citizen Jim Morrison put it.


Still a bad map.


the reason i posted that was to show that:
1. europeans are hypocrites
2. europeans don't care about the environment
3. europeans use the media for propaganda

your only response to that was that it is a bad map
does that mean you concede to those points
or that you do not care to disprove them?


The latter.


Right, let Bolsonaro do that instead...

No, I meant the shaming tactics.


let Bolsonaro... shame Brazil... into protecting the Amazon?
sorry that makes no sense


Then again, that's not what I said.


you sounded like you wanted to say something harsh about bolsonaro
but then you didn't bring actual criticism forward
other than some very vague emotional opposition
and you also ignored most of what i posted to counter some of that
so I gotta wonder whether you don't care about the subject as much as you made it sound
or you just don't know what you're talking about


I didn't have to say what I "sounded like I wanted to say", because you already said it: "his attitude toward the environment [...] still insults me deeply". And you pointed out that Bolsonaro might not be so bad at this stage of Brazil's development, which I accepted by saying:

'Agreeing to disagree about the value of the chair, the effect of voting, etc., I guess Bolsonaro may be the best Brazil has to offer right now, what with all the corruption you describe...'

I do care, but I also do know less about Brazil than you do (which is how it should be). And yeah, I don't care about all the specifics. It's enough for me to know that Brazil just isn't there yet, that it's unfair to criticise it as if it's not a developing country (like India, China, etc.). Though I also think you're probably partly wrong.

Anyway, so I was focusing on the West—on white Christians, specifically—, but I'd been wondering whether you'd voted for Bolsonaro for a little while. More precisely, I'd been wondering if you're part of the whole "cesspool" thing, like Pepe, Fixed Jacob, Madge, etc. etc. And I think you are.

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:54 am

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phoneutria » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:29 pm

Zeroeth Nature wrote:I do care, but I also do know less about Brazil than you do (which is how it should be). And yeah, I don't care about all the specifics. It's enough for me to know that Brazil just isn't there yet, that it's unfair to criticise it as if it's not a developing country (like India, China, etc.). Though I also think you're probably partly wrong.


it's still fair to criticize brazil
but it is nobody's but the brazilian people's place to criticize it in my opinion
this is our house

particularly not Europe's place since they have enriched themselves to the point where they can clean up their rivers back again
by means of, among other things, enslaving half of the world and sacking those territories out of everything they could carry

it's us who need to look at ourselves and be ashamed
and it's us who need to educate our children
to rid our culture of this permissiveness for dishonesty
we don't need to teach anybody to love nature
it's innate
what people need to learn is that everything that they do that inches towards wrongness
takes us farther from rightness
even if it is the cab driver writing your receipt value a little higher
so your company will reimburse you more than you paid
even if it's just illegal parking for 5 minutes
what's wrong is wrong, and it should hurt to do
if we stop telling ourselves that people are just hustling to make ends meet
and make it hurt
end the trade and tell them that they make you sick
maybe that would do


Anyway, so I was focusing on the West—on white Christians, specifically—, but I'd been wondering whether you'd voted for Bolsonaro for a little while. More precisely, I'd been wondering if you're part of the whole "cesspool" thing, like Pepe, Fixed Jacob, Madge, etc. etc. And I think you are.


i don't know what criteria one must meet in order to qualify for your cesspool
but if you want to know why bolsonaro is changing the way the the forest preserves are managed
it is because there are people living there in the middle of all that insane natural wealth
because it's their ancestral home
who are so badly malnourished
whose children are so malnourished and sick
because if an official catches them clearing a patch of the forest to plant cassava
their dad gets thrown in jail
so eventually they give up living in the north and migrate south to the cities to try a better life
and guess what
they end up in a slum
sniffing glue
to me personally it matters little if they live or die
i'd rather the rivers stay clean and the jungle preserved
but it kinda sorta is the job of the elected president to see those people

so bolso's stance is
it's not the sustainable use of the jungle that has existed for ages that needs to be stopped
even if it can start forest fires
it's the illegal logging industry, illegal mining industry
the people who are dumping mining waste into rivers and clearing hundreds of acres of jungle at a time
what's going to help is to find ways to manage the preserves that assist the populations and stops the illegal industry

so anyway if you want to talk about little kids in slums sniffing glue
but also talk about environment protection
i gotta tell you that you can't have the cake and eat it too

all of that said
and i most definitely would never support any politician
who thinks that the government has the right to impose restrictions on individual freedom
even if it would be a vote to stop a deadass communist
so since most conservative politicians are for open economy and anti personal freedom
and most liberal politicians are for personal freedom but want to regulate the economy
and there are few to none politicians that are liberal on both fronts
i don't fucking vote
and i don't fucking compromise
so i'm capable of a nuanced opinion that looks at all sides of the debate impartially
and i stick to my convictions
and that makes me be hated by both sides
i'm used to it
put me in the cesspool i don't give a shit
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:02 pm

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:03 pm

"this is our house"

in the middle of ou...

Oh shit sorry please continue. I gotta stop doing that.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:34 pm

phoneutria wrote:it's us who need to educate our children
to rid our culture of this permissiveness for dishonesty


Right, as though somehow this task will be given over to those able to educate the children as to what really is the honest truth.

So, is capitalism the honest truth? is socialism?

What is the honest truth in regard to this:

https://youtu.be/RfnGQetbX-U
https://youtu.be/XeN0t2sZaP4
https://youtu.be/V26Pogm8ktk
https://youtu.be/xGubnVYQUck
https://youtu.be/1m5gxQh5jeo

Also, what is the honest truth about race and gender and sexual orientation? What is the honest truth about political power and social and economic justice? What is the honest truth about abortion and the right to bear arms?

What should the children be taught about all of that?

phoneutria wrote:we don't need to teach anybody to love nature
it's innate


In this world?! A world where many insist we are right on the cusp of a calamity embedded in global warming? An innate love of nature?!!

Instead, she takes this political poem back up into the soft fluffy clouds she has collected in her head:

phoneutria wrote:what people need to learn is that everything that they do that inches towards wrongness
takes us farther from rightness
even if it is the cab driver writing your receipt value a little higher
so your company will reimburse you more than you paid
even if it's just illegal parking for 5 minutes
what's wrong is wrong, and it should hurt to do
if we stop telling ourselves that people are just hustling to make ends meet
and make it hurt
end the trade and tell them that they make you sick
maybe that would do


As for the grotesque consequences of all the government and corporate policies embedded in a global economy owned and operated by the "show me the money" crony capitalists?

Well, at least it's not Communism!!
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:36 pm

Zeroeth Nature wrote:Anyway, so I was focusing on the West—on white Christians, specifically—, but I'd been wondering whether you'd voted for Bolsonaro for a little while. More precisely, I'd been wondering if you're part of the whole "cesspool" thing, like Pepe, Fixed Jacob, Madge, etc. etc. And I think you are.

I barely talk politics here.. move on from me man!
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:51 am

phoneutria wrote:we don't need to teach anybody to love nature
it's innate
[...]
what's wrong is wrong


Yeah, I don't think it's that simple.

"When the English actually believe that they know 'intuitively' what is good and evil, when they therefore suppose that they no longer require Christianity as the guarantee of morality, we merely witness the effects of the dominion of the Christian value judgment and an expression of the strength and depth of this dominion: such that the origin of English morality has been forgotten, such that the very conditional character of its right to existence is no longer felt. For the English, morality is not yet a problem." (N, TI "Skirmishes" 5.)

The Christian values and the Christian ideal are antinatural (see my "NcW").

"Nietzsche's advocacy of the natural must combat the very much alive unnatural and antinatural that broke out so long ago among us human beings that they have come to seem natural. Advocacy of the natural now appears unnatural; consequently, it will have to develop a politics to achieve its ends." (Lampert, LSN page 65.)


Anyway, so I was focusing on the West—on white Christians, specifically—, but I'd been wondering whether you'd voted for Bolsonaro for a little while. More precisely, I'd been wondering if you're part of the whole "cesspool" thing, like Pepe, Fixed Jacob, Madge, etc. etc. And I think you are.


i don't know what criteria one must meet in order to qualify for your cesspool


Well, not just politics, as Midge seems to think.


but if you want to know why bolsonaro is changing the way the the forest preserves are managed
it is because there are people living there in the middle of all that insane natural wealth
because it's their ancestral home
who are so badly malnourished
whose children are so malnourished and sick
because if an official catches them clearing a patch of the forest to plant cassava
their dad gets thrown in jail
so eventually they give up living in the north and migrate south to the cities to try a better life
and guess what
they end up in a slum
sniffing glue


And social security is not an option, of course. Because that would be communism...


i most definitely would never support any politician
who thinks that the government has the right to impose restrictions on individual freedom


Then why have a government at all? After all, any government's job is to impose restrictions on individual freedom!


most conservative politicians are for open economy and anti personal freedom
and most liberal politicians are for personal freedom but want to regulate the economy
and there are few to none politicians that are liberal on both fronts


The latter would be libertarian:

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But as I said before, even libertarians absolutely want a certain minimum of government, even though they often seem to forget that.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:08 am

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Madge, Midge.. très drôle Ollie.. and I had already imagined that other factors were at play in forming your opinion.

I wonder if you had considered that?
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