Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

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Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

This is another invitation to the distinguished I.A. Biguous to join me in another hopeless debate that he can't contribute to without a context. Well, as fortune would have it, we have a context. We have one hell of a mother fucking context--the Freedom Convoy in Canada. No need for hypotheticals. And I'm the perfect person to engage with. I am a Canadian and I am involved! You no longer have to ask me what would I do. I can tell you what I am doing.

So whadya say Biggy? Wanna try this again?
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

gib wrote:This is another invitation to the distinguished I.A. Biguous to join me in another hopeless debate that he can't contribute to without a context. Well, as fortune would have it, we have a context. We have one hell of a mother fucking context--the Freedom Convoy in Canada. No need for hypotheticals. And I'm the perfect person to engage with. I am a Canadian and I am involved! You no longer have to ask me what would I do. I can tell you what I am doing.

So whadya say Biggy? Wanna try this again?

People debate iambiguous because they see him as an existential threat.

He’s only an existential threat to himself.

Have at him Gib.

He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

YOU beat him?!?!
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

gib wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

YOU beat him?!?!

It’s actually a very simple argument. One he can’t refute.

I’ll give it to you if you want me to.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:
gib wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

YOU beat him?!?!

It’s actually a very simple argument. One he can’t refute.

I’ll give it to you if you want me to.

Sure, or you can give me the link to where it happened.

But let me just say... iambiguous is an unstoppable force. You cannot beat him, at least he'll never admit it. His entire approach is designed to drag debates on forever. This is why I always caution people about getting into debates with Biggy. You need to know that you are getting sucked into a black vortex from which you cannot escape (like light trying to escape from a black hole) and it spits you out onto an infinitely adhesive spider web from which, again, one cannot escape.

So your claim to have broke the web or escaped the vortex is, you will understand, hard to swallow. The very notion is tantamount to a logical fallacy. I don't like to say things like this are impossible, but I'll have to hear the argument and how Biggy responded.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

He never replied.

I’m an unstoppable force. I chose life. Life is unstoppable.

The argument is this simple:

Imagine that nobody wants you here. But you want to be here at the expense of everyone.

You love your parents, right? Maybe not.

You can make their lives miserable and everyone’s lives miserable because you want to be born here no matter what.

Nobody on earth wants you here if your goal is to hate yourself and everyone.

Who do you want born?

Somebody who cares about their parents quality of life or somebody who hates everyone and everything forever?

If my mother wanted to abort me because it would improve her quality of life... I’d choose her over me.

Because I love my mother. Iambiguous hates his mother.

Anti abortion people hate not only their mothers, but everyone.

What sacrifice is two seconds of suffering to give someone else a decent life?

People who live suffer WAY more than 2 seconds!!

For what?

Two seconds of suffering means nothing to me to help my mother.

That’s called love.

Another thing. Nobody wants people here who want to be born at any cost.

Just ask people on the street.

“If your mother could have had a better life if you were aborted, would you choose that for her, that she made a choice to abort you?”

What you’ll find is that people love. The haters are the anti abortionists. Nobody wants them here.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Actually, I don't follow the news as I once did. Yes, I'm aware of the Canadian protest, but no where near in depth as I once would have been. After all, once you reach this point...

"If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically."

...political conflagrations of this sort leave you no less "fractured and fragmented".

Instead, my main interest [as always] revolves around the manner in which those participating in the protests come to embody their own subjective political prejudices. And I suspect it's as I did re abortion in the OP here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382

And [of course] the extent to which they then frame their point of view given the mentality of the objectivist. In other words, they are part of the protest because they are in touch with the "real me", in sync further with "the right thing to do".

They are absolutely, positively right about the government reaction to the pandemic and if others don't agree with their dogma, they are necessarily "one of them". And thus wrong.

Much like, oh, I don't know, Urwrong?

Then these two points about covid:

...let him note the evidence that resolves this from either the hard scientists [biologists/medical folks] or the soft political scientists. Those on either path who do not have a political axe to grind.

Of course, most of us here have to fall back on the "experts" -- folks who have both the education and the background to understand all of this scientifically, biologically, medically.

On the other hand, there are those here who insists that, in regard to the covid pandemic, Big Pharma employs these experts solely in order to make tons and tons of money in providing dangerous vaccines against it. And then those here who argue that Big Brother -- liberals and/or Commies -- employ these experts solely in order to, among other things, plant chips inside the Rugged Individualists among us in order to turn them into slaves of the NWOGS...the New World Order Globalist State.

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Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Gib.

He never responded and that’s the whole point.

The argument I gave him was very simple:

If you ask people on the street that if their mothers lives would be better if they were aborted, most of them would agree to be aborted.

The people who disagree, don’t care about their mothers.

He knew I was right. That’s why he doesn’t talk to me anymore. So he never responded. Even to this very day, even though he knows I beat him, still offers up the abortion debate as a context never solved.

I beat him in that debate. The factual answer is pro choice.

If you want to treat babies as consenting beings... treat them as such and ask adults whether they’d consent to their abortion.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:

People debate iambiguous because they see him as an existential threat.

He’s only an existential threat to himself.

Have at him Gib.

He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

Over and over and over again, you come here and pummel us with truly bizarre posts like this...

https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=197763

...and then you expect me to take you seriously?

Now, I figure it really is some "condition" you acquired over the years and it is now more or less "beyond your control".

Either that or Ecmandu is just this "character" you play here for your own amusement. And for whatever personal reason.

On the other hand, if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

As for the abortion debate, beyond what you merely believe is true here in your head about it, how would you go about providing us with definitive proof that you did in fact beat me?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:

People debate iambiguous because they see him as an existential threat.

He’s only an existential threat to himself.

Have at him Gib.

He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

Over and over and over again, you come here and pummel us with truly bizarre posts like this...

https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=197763

...and then you expect me to take you seriously?

Now, I figure it really is some "condition" you acquired over the years and it is now more or less "beyond your control".

Either that or Ecmandu is just this "character" you play here for your own amusement. And for whatever personal reason.

On the other hand, if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

As for the abortion debate, beyond what you merely believe is true here in your head about it, how would you go about providing us with definitive proof that you did in fact beat me?

As for the abortion debate. Just ask anyone on the street. If 2 seconds of suffering meant your mother would have a great life instead of a horrible life...

It’s not that complicated to do.

See how people respond.

Iambiguous. I know you’re insane currently.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:

People debate iambiguous because they see him as an existential threat.

He’s only an existential threat to himself.

Have at him Gib.

He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

Over and over and over again, you come here and pummel us with truly bizarre posts like this...

https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=197763

...and then you expect me to take you seriously?

Now, I figure it really is some "condition" you acquired over the years and it is now more or less "beyond your control".

Either that or Ecmandu is just this "character" you play here for your own amusement. And for whatever personal reason.

On the other hand, if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

As for the abortion debate, beyond what you merely believe is true here in your head about it, how would you go about providing us with definitive proof that you did in fact beat me?

As for the abortion debate. Just ask anyone on the street. If 2 seconds of suffering meant your mother would have a great life instead of a horrible life...

It’s not that complicated to do.

See how people respond.

Iambiguous. I know you’re insane currently.

Yo, meno! You're up!!
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Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

The ultimate question here iambiguous...

Do you want to have a debate that’s intellectually honest?

Yeah... I’m one of those moral objectivist scums...

Can you handle it?

That you’ve been a piece of shit for decades?

I know how hard it is. I’ll be nice to you.

You’ve been brainwashed.

I’ve told you on several occasions that we don’t have every math problem solved, and morality is like a math problem ... but we do have some of them solved.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Don’t try and sound smart iambiguous.

Asking for meno is a pun for you.

I chose life.

You can’t beat me.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:You can’t beat me.

Okay, I can't beat you.

So, now that we've settled that, let's get back to this...

...if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

Let's use Gib's context above. Or, sure, one of your own.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:You can’t beat me.

Okay, I can't beat you.

So, now that we've settled that, let's get back to this...

...if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

Let's use Gib's context above. Or, sure, one of your own.

Oh c’mon aimb...

Don’t be this dense.

You know where you don’t want to be.

For you, it’s this world.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:You can’t beat me.

Okay, I can't beat you.

So, now that we've settled that, let's get back to this...

...if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

Let's use Gib's context above. Or, sure, one of your own.

Oh c’mon aimb...

Don’t be this dense.

You know where you don’t want to be.

For you, it’s this world.

Let me make this a little clearer iambiguous...

I don’t care or give a shit about any of you...

But I’m self interested ... and because of that; I have to care about all of you. Try that for a day.

Now you understand.

I’m making a new plan for existence. I’m tired of always going to hell no matter what I say or do.

You’re dealing with a category of being in me that nobody has ever seen before.

I did not fuck up. I just have to wait for you to wake up.

Abortion? Non abortion?

It’s meaningless. I’m the spirit of meaning.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

And I want to add one more thing to my last post...

You cannot beat life. It’s how you plan it.
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Ecmandu wrote:Just ask people on the street.

“If your mother could have had a better life if you were aborted, would you choose that for her, that she made a choice to abort you?”

What you’ll find is that people love. The haters are the anti abortionists. Nobody wants them here.

Ah, so you beat him with a guilt trip. He didn't want to admit he hates his mother so he conceded that abortion must be ok. Very clever.

iambiguous wrote:Actually, I don't follow the news as I once did. Yes, I'm aware of the Canadian protest, but no where near in depth as I once would have been. After all, once you reach this point...

"If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically."

...political conflagrations of this sort leave you no less "fractured and fragmented".

Instead, my main interest [as always] revolves around the manner in which those participating in the protests come to embody their own subjective political prejudices. And I suspect it's as I did re abortion in the OP here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382

And [of course] the extent to which they then frame their point of view given the mentality of the objectivist. In other words, they are part of the protest because they are in touch with the "real me", in sync further with "the right thing to do".

Here's a perfect example:

^ You see, Biggy? We don't have to speculate on this one. We don't have to ask anybody. All we have to do is dig up videos.

But you haven't started on me yet. I'm soup to nuts in support of the protest. So ask me what I would do if I were in a particular world, under a particular situation, in a specific context... where a world of words hits the tar mat and gets put into action. Ask me how my values play out in this (actual) context.

Ecmandu wrote:I beat him in that debate. The factual answer is pro choice.

You mean you rose to Biggy's challenge? You actually demonstrated once and for all, in a manner that all rational men and women are obliged to agree with, that pro choice is in fact the objectively correct answer?

Biggy, is this true? Did Ecmandu, of all people, finally deliver what you've been longing for all these years? That which no one else on ILP, not even the most intelligent among us, could deliver? A demonstrably and objectively true answer to the question of abortion that isn't just another intellectual contraption? I am beside myself in awe! Ecmandu is truly a god among men.

Ecmandu wrote:The ultimate question here iambiguous...

Do you want to have a debate that’s intellectually honest?

Yeah... I’m one of those moral objectivist scums...

Can you handle it?

That you’ve been a piece of shit for decades?

I know how hard it is. I’ll be nice to you.

You’ve been brainwashed.

I’ve told you on several occasions that we don’t have every math problem solved, and morality is like a math problem ... but we do have some of them solved.

I'd be careful with this one, Biggy. You don't want to enter into a challenge with a man who can send you to hell in a heart beat.

iambiguous wrote:
iambiguous wrote:...if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

Let's use Gib's context above. Or, sure, one of your own.

My context? The trucker convoy?

Biggy, this is one of those things about you that always bewilders me. You often ask for someone's position to be put in terms of the strangest of contexts. How does Ecmandu's claim that he knows how to send everyone to hell get put into the context of the trucker convoy? Is he to explain how he could end to protest right now by sending all those truckers to hell? And what would that prove?

Ecmandu wrote:I’m making a new plan for existence.

Which draft is this now? Fifth? Sixth?

Ecmandu wrote:You’re dealing with a category of being in me that nobody has ever seen before.

Biggy's in you? I don't think anybody wants to see that (nor would I think Biggy wants to deal with that, whatever the category).

Ecmandu wrote:I did not fuck up. I just have to wait for you to wake up.

So Biggy is in you but he's asleep? God, he's in for a rude awakening. He must be pretty deep in their if you have to wait for him to wake up before doing something about it.

Ecmandu wrote:And I want to add one more thing to my last post...

You cannot beat life. It’s how you plan it.

Nonsense. It takes a while but if you and your friends have a few cups of coffee and stay up past midnight, it can be done:

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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Wouldn't we first have to determine, with some amount of specificity, what group of people qualifies as rational?

Let's imagine all rational people already realize that calling the truckers terrorists is an affront to reason. That because they are reasonable, they don't even need anyone to convince them.

So what then?

What qualifies the gentleman I.A. Biguous himself as rational?

Is it not possible that he is not, and that to "convince" him would take something different than objective reality?

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Pedro I Rengel wrote:Wouldn't we first have to determine, with some amount of specificity, what group of people qualifies as rational?

Let's imagine all rational people already realize that calling the truckers terrorists is an affront to reason. That because they are reasonable, they don't even need anyone to convince them.

So what then?

What qualifies the gentleman I.A. Biguous himself as rational?

Is it not possible that he is not, and that to "convince" him would take something different than objective reality?

I see you have yet to understand the ways of Biggy. Stick around and take notes.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

quote="iambiguous"]
Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:

People debate iambiguous because they see him as an existential threat.

He’s only an existential threat to himself.

Have at him Gib.

He refuses to respond to me anymore because I beat him at the abortion debate.

Over and over and over again, you come here and pummel us with truly bizarre posts like this...

https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=197763

...and then you expect me to take you seriously?

Now, I figure it really is some "condition" you acquired over the years and it is now more or less "beyond your control".

Either that or Ecmandu is just this "character" you play here for your own amusement. And for whatever personal reason.

On the other hand, if you can demonstrate to me that you do indeed "know how to send everyone to hell" and, further, describe what in great detail it means for others to "sign off on a new plan for all beings", I'll reconsider my own assumptions here.

As for the abortion debate, beyond what you merely believe is true here in your head about it, how would you go about providing us with definitive proof that you did in fact beat me?

As for the abortion debate. Just ask anyone on the street. If 2 seconds of suffering meant your mother would have a great life instead of a horrible life...

It’s not that complicated to do.

See how people respond.

Iambiguous. I know you’re insane currently.

Yo, meno! You're up!! [/quote]
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Actually I'm down right now, but really, the real thing is based on a simple logical assumption. I go both ways metaphorically speaking and admittedly one does at some level make sense. It's like time merging with space; they effect each other in that instant that can not be apprehended. As soon as it approaches that instant: it dissipates.
The ideal moment can never last ; but that doesn't mean it diesen't 'exist'.

But then I'm quite known by now to come into discussions in the tail end, with a lot of invariable assumptions in the middle . So just happened to glean my name so I decided to jump in.

Before you guys start to tear it apart from either end, there is the unsolved question surrounding various forms of revelation which we may cover up for fear of over-exposure.

Denial is the other embarrassing extreme.

As an example, the context that is represented within a certain modicum of space-time changes both the thing within that particular mode of representation, while the thing represented changes along with it.

The example with abortion has become paradigm here.

So let's see.

The issue of what a baby is at various stages of it's development start , really even before the moment of conception. The sperm is constituted by a preconceived quality that is able to enter the equally conforming ovum, that is they have biochemical adaptive effects which contain a built in latency to develop higher functional states of re-cognition.

That is , cognition starts at a very early state of development on the level of zygote, as is the embryo contains pre-formative stages of the various phylo-genetic species at certain levels of development.

So the big issue with a contextually bounded development in regard to the fetus is, to determine the state of the development within the context of an instant where the embryo can be still designated as a very early type of species.

The argument for avoiding certain kinds of meat , consumes those, for those who rely on dog meat for their subsistence, can point to within their contextual predicament of being in a role of ' man's best friend' as a reason not to put them on their menu.

Now cannibalism may be mitigated as well, for similar reasons in differing contexts, based on the idea of levels of cognitive development, in other words the consumed must be in worse shape, lower on the developmental stage, etc.

There are cases where these decisions had to be made regarding survival issues of deciding who consumes whom.

The case of a shipwreck , where the old and debilitated, the sick and the dying, were consumed in various stages of succeeding courses, stands out in history books.

In regard to embryos, the contextual variability is similarly designated by accountability of how the universal right to life is contrasted with it's stage of development, corresponding to it's level of awareness of it's self as an existential.

That it is aware at a certain point that it is inside something , and wants to get out, there is little doubt, and this can be exemplified by certain research .

This is the context within which a pre-birth can be understood in relative context with it's environment.

I meant to imply, rather, a precontext, or , a pretext by which such dilemmas can narrow down the difference between ethical and moral justifications.

Regarding such justufications have to presume a similar meta-logicak presumption, otherwise the either/ or choice between contextual and logical connections will be severed, as is the baby's source with it's own existential awareness of his/her source ; by being cut off the awareness of supply through necessary embylical consumption.

The trauma must be greater than that of death.

So context is both presumptively and cognitively variable with continuous stages of development.

And contextual variation appears reductive, as a context within another context of broader generalization describes continuity as reified static states as breaking up the continuity of the unpetceived states. Intra users, the baby has the inside view that probably can not perceive the distinctive features of descriptive elements which research tries to accomplish , in order to avoid descriptive problems with discontinuity.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Gib wrote:

“ Which draft is this now? Fifth? Sixth?”

Me: That’s about right. You’d be surprised what crawls out of the woodwork. The last being I was dealing with has their consent violated unless everyone has their consent violated. But I figured out how to get to this being too.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

Welcome to thinking.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Sorry having broken the sequence of the argument thought to add something incidental through the middle Ec.
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Re: Hey Biggy, we GOT a context!!!

Meno_ wrote:Sorry having broken the sequence of the argument thought to add something incidental through the middle Ec.

Don’t worry about it meno. Derails have been some of my favorite parts of ILP. Even, and especially, my own threads.

Let me put it to you this way. We never stop learning until the day we die, and we never die ...

Which means... we never stop learning.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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