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what ought we to do....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:08 pm

Just finished Hannah Arendt book,
"The Human condition"
She spent the book working out a couple of aspects of
the human condition.. work, labor, and action...
and she mentions a fourth thing, contemplation....

I would like to venture a guess and say that of those 4 things,
(I have redefined 3 of those things as being work, consumption, production)
and the fourth, which is contemplation..

now let me tell you about my wife... she is always thinking, as I do,
but the nature of our thinking is quite different.. she is always thinking
of the things that need to get done, around the house, chores, outside
the house stuff...
her engagement with thinking is about what needs to be done...
and my thinking, my engagement with contemplation has nothing to
do with what needs to get done, for frankly, I don't care..
if the house is cleaned or the garbage is taken out...
but my wife, oh, my wife is always thinking about these things....

here we are, engaged in the same thing, thinking, but to two different
ends... I will sit at the kitchen table staring at the wall for hours,
thinking about what it means to be human... at no point will
I engaged with thinking about some action that needs to be done....

So when I think about what we ought to do, I am thinking about
what can we be or what our possibilities of being human actually means...
my wife, what chores ought to be done....

So, we are engaged in the same activity to different ends...
now most people engage with thinking like my wife does,
what needs to be done? Who is going to pick up little Jonny after school?

and how many of us engaged in thinking in terms of what it means to
be human? Few, very few.....and I would argue that thinking about
what it means to be human is far more important than thinking about
what chores need to be done today? And my wife would disagree....
and how would we know which one of us is right? and as importantly,
why, why is one right over the other?

What is the value of contemplation over thinking about chores?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:31 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:Just finished Hannah Arendt book,
"The Human condition"
She spent the book working out a couple of aspects of
the human condition.. work, labor, and action...
and she mentions a fourth thing, contemplation....

I would like to venture a guess and say that of those 4 things,
(I have redefined 3 of those things as being work, consumption, production)
and the fourth, which is contemplation..

now let me tell you about my wife... she is always thinking, as I do,
but the nature of our thinking is quite different.. she is always thinking
of the things that need to get done, around the house, chores, outside
the house stuff...
her engagement with thinking is about what needs to be done...
and my thinking, my engagement with contemplation has nothing to
do with what needs to get done, for frankly, I don't care..
if the house is cleaned or the garbage is taken out...
but my wife, oh, my wife is always thinking about these things....

here we are, engaged in the same thing, thinking, but to two different
ends... I will sit at the kitchen table staring at the wall for hours,
thinking about what it means to be human... at no point will
I engaged with thinking about some action that needs to be done....

So when I think about what we ought to do, I am thinking about
what can we be or what our possibilities of being human actually means...
my wife, what chores ought to be done....

So, we are engaged in the same activity to different ends...
now most people engage with thinking like my wife does,
what needs to be done? Who is going to pick up little Jonny after school?

and how many of us engaged in thinking in terms of what it means to
be human? Few, very few.....and I would argue that thinking about
what it means to be human is far more important than thinking about
what chores need to be done today? And my wife would disagree....
and how would we know which one of us is right? and as importantly,
why, why is one right over the other?

What is the value of contemplation over thinking about chores?

Kropotkin


She has to think about how to live so that she can give you a series of instructions to carry out the process' clean the floor, take out the trash; fix the handle on the kitchen door.
I hope you at least do your own clothes washing?
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:42 pm

Peter Kropotkin: Just finished Hannah Arendt book,
"The Human condition"
She spent the book working out a couple of aspects of
the human condition.. work, labor, and action...
and she mentions a fourth thing, contemplation....

I would like to venture a guess and say that of those 4 things,
(I have redefined 3 of those things as being work, consumption, production)
and the fourth, which is contemplation..

now let me tell you about my wife... she is always thinking, as I do,
but the nature of our thinking is quite different.. she is always thinking
of the things that need to get done, around the house, chores, outside
the house stuff...
her engagement with thinking is about what needs to be done...
and my thinking, my engagement with contemplation has nothing to
do with what needs to get done, for frankly, I don't care..
if the house is cleaned or the garbage is taken out...
but my wife, oh, my wife is always thinking about these things....

here we are, engaged in the same thing, thinking, but to two different
ends... I will sit at the kitchen table staring at the wall for hours,
thinking about what it means to be human... at no point will
I engaged with thinking about some action that needs to be done....

So when I think about what we ought to do, I am thinking about
what can we be or what our possibilities of being human actually means...
my wife, what chores ought to be done....

So, we are engaged in the same activity to different ends...
now most people engage with thinking like my wife does,
what needs to be done? Who is going to pick up little Jonny after school?

and how many of us engaged in thinking in terms of what it means to
be human? Few, very few.....and I would argue that thinking about
what it means to be human is far more important than thinking about
what chores need to be done today? And my wife would disagree....
and how would we know which one of us is right? and as importantly,
why, why is one right over the other?

What is the value of contemplation over thinking about chores?"


Sculptor : She has to think about how to live so that she can give you a series of instructions to carry out the process' clean the floor, take out the trash; fix the handle on the kitchen door. I hope you at least do your own clothes washing?

K: as I am unable to walk or even stand, no, I can't even do my own clothes
at this time. In fact, I really can't do anything at this point... my major
accomplishment this week on my own was to shave for the first time
in over a month.. and I had to sit in a chair to do that.. but in any case,
what I am really aiming for is the vastly different ways we think about
existence... she thinks to be "practical" whereas I think to engage
in what it means to be human... I believe the two thought processes
are equal, but she believes I am wasting my time.... because
I am not being "practical" and thinking about what chores need to
be done...

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:51 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: as I am unable to walk or even stand, no, I can't even do my own clothes
at this time. In fact, I really can't do anything at this point... my major
accomplishment this week on my own was to shave for the first time
in over a month.. and I had to sit in a chair to do that.. but in any case,
what I am really aiming for is the vastly different ways we think about
existence... she thinks to be "practical" whereas I think to engage
in what it means to be human... I believe the two thought processes
are equal, but she believes I am wasting my time.... because
I am not being "practical" and thinking about what chores need to
be done...

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

Kropotkin


As you said you did not care about her domestic activities I had not realised you were not capable. In other words I had no idea you were infirm.
What is the nature of your ailment?
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby derleydoo » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:59 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
What is the value of contemplation over thinking about chores?

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

Kropotkin


If you cease your contemplation, and your wife stops doing the chores - what is the likely outcome? Which would be more noticeable? :-k :)
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:08 pm

Peter Kropotkin:

What is the value of contemplation over thinking about chores?

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

D: If you cease your contemplation, and your wife stops doing the chores - what is the likely outcome? Which would be more noticeable? :-k :)

K: excellent question and the wife has made it clear.... cleaning
before all else... she will whip out the vacuum cleaner at
all times of the day or night if something appears to be dirty
on the floor... as for my contemplations, she hasn't come out
and said that thinking is a waste of time, but she is a wife...
things can be said without actually being said and as
a longtime married man yourself, you may know what I am
talking about...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:13 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: as I am unable to walk or even stand, no, I can't even do my own clothes
at this time. In fact, I really can't do anything at this point... my major
accomplishment this week on my own was to shave for the first time
in over a month.. and I had to sit in a chair to do that.. but in any case,
what I am really aiming for is the vastly different ways we think about
existence... she thinks to be "practical" whereas I think to engage
in what it means to be human... I believe the two thought processes
are equal, but she believes I am wasting my time.... because
I am not being "practical" and thinking about what chores need to
be done...

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

S; As you said you did not care about her domestic activities I had not realised you were not capable. In other words I had no idea you were infirm.
What is the nature of your ailment?


K: I had ankle surgery about a month ago and I am still suffering
from it... and will be for quite a while...I can't even move my foot
at this point.. as it is quite swollen from my toes to my knee..
they say that is normal, but I am having my doubts...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:55 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: as I am unable to walk or even stand, no, I can't even do my own clothes
at this time. In fact, I really can't do anything at this point... my major
accomplishment this week on my own was to shave for the first time
in over a month.. and I had to sit in a chair to do that.. but in any case,
what I am really aiming for is the vastly different ways we think about
existence... she thinks to be "practical" whereas I think to engage
in what it means to be human... I believe the two thought processes
are equal, but she believes I am wasting my time.... because
I am not being "practical" and thinking about what chores need to
be done...

so the question becomes, what modes of thinking have value?
both, neither, one or the other?

S; As you said you did not care about her domestic activities I had not realised you were not capable. In other words I had no idea you were infirm.
What is the nature of your ailment?


K: I had ankle surgery about a month ago and I am still suffering
from it... and will be for quite a while...I can't even move my foot
at this point.. as it is quite swollen from my toes to my knee..
they say that is normal, but I am having my doubts...

Kropotkin


Was it as a result of an injury?

Are you taking anti-inflammatories?
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:02 pm

Peter Kropotkin: I had ankle surgery about a month ago and I am still suffering
from it... and will be for quite a while...I can't even move my foot
at this point.. as it is quite swollen from my toes to my knee..
they say that is normal, but I am having my doubts.

SC: Was it as a result of an injury?

Are you taking anti-inflammatories?[/quote]

K: I somehow, not sure how, but somehow tore an ankle muscle,
doctor said it was and I quote " shredded" he also put two screws
in my heal to stabilize the foot... and I am doing everything the
surgeon told me to do... basically limit its use... not walking on it..
try taking a shower without being able to stand, it ain't pretty...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: what ought we to do....

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:43 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: I had ankle surgery about a month ago and I am still suffering
from it... and will be for quite a while...I can't even move my foot
at this point.. as it is quite swollen from my toes to my knee..
they say that is normal, but I am having my doubts...

Steep your leg in a bucket of tonic water.. the quinine and bubbles in it, acts on the inflammation and reduces it.


Tonic water

This one might sound a little odd, but soaking tonic water can help with swelling. The quinine and the bubbles can help reduce inflammation. Try it once every few days.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=quini ... nt=gws-wiz
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