Motivations in life...

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Motivations in life...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:21 pm

I have stated in another thread, much of the motivation
of humans lies in the attempt to fulfil our needs....
the need for food, water, shelter, bodily needs
and the psychological needs of love, safety/security,
esteem... much of human existence is driven by these
physical and psychological needs...
but not all needs are driven by the needs of human existence...

A common theme within the psychological and philosophical
community lies in the pleasure and pain concept that has
been around since human beings have begun to walk the earth...

we seek pleasure and avoid pain... the concept is simple enough..
we strive to get pleasure, sex, food, love, creature comforts,
all part of the attempt to gain pleasure of existence.....

and avoiding pain is another simple concept.... we strive to avoid
pain... physical, mental, psychological pain... The entire concept
of Buddhism is an attempt to avoid pain... avoid the pain of existence,
of suffering, of the pain of disease, of old age, of death...

and in Buddhism for example we can avoid these sufferings by
achieving enlightenment... and thus we are no longer on the
wheel of existence.. of being born and reborn again and again and again...
and with every rebirth, we suffer from disease, old age, and finally death...

but there is a problem with this seeking pleasure and avoiding pain....
and I take the avoiding pain part first....

what it takes to be human requires us to suffer pain...
I was an athlete for years... if I were to avoid pain, I wouldn't
have become an athlete... for I ran track and cross-country...
and in running, we learn to overcome pain.. to run faster,
to break our old time, requires us to seek out pain... we must run/train
faster, longer, harder to achieve our goal of improving our goals...

without pain, we cannot advance to our becoming something better...
for example, you have to risk pain to seek out love and friendship
and relationships.... the way we reach out and attempt to
achieve our goal of love, companionship, friendship is to risk
the pain of rejection, and rejection is painful.. I do know...
but we must risk that pain of rejection if we are to
gain something more important...

if you want to get ahead in life, you have to work for it...
and work is pain... if you want that promotion, you have to work
for it, dedicate time and effort to reach that goal... and any time
you make an effort, that involves pain... to learn to swim...
it takes work and that work can be quite painful...
but if we don't overcome the pain, we can never learn how to swim...

I have taken long camping trips.. and that takes much work..
you have to work to get into shape enough to walk
ten miles uphill with a 30 pound backpack on you...
and you have to actually work on the trail to get anywhere,
going uphill to your destination is hard work... it takes effort..
and that work, that effort is painful... but if you want to reach
the next camping site, you have to work for it....

so the point of existence, isn't to avoid pain, the point is to
have a goal that makes that pain worth it....

(which part of my critique of capitalism.. what one
gains after 40 years of work isn't worth the effort, the work,
what you gain doesn't justify all that pain of working 40 years,
a retirement of maybe 10 years.. does that justify working for
40 years? I don't think so)

So what pains of existence are actually worth it?
What pain can we use to motivate us to become better
people/human beings?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: Motivations in life...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:58 pm

I have spent years seeking pleasure, and in doing so,
I only found pain...in seeking love and sex and happiness,
I quite often took the wrong road, which lead me to receiving
pain for my trouble... in pursuing pleasure, I sought it in
the wrong places, with the wrong person.. and I paid the price
for those failures...I suffered, a lot... for the Buddhist,
it is in the seeking that leads us astray... if we stop seeking
pleasure, we wouldn't suffer any pain.. and to some extent,
that is true...in the past, my attempts to "woe" another,
was extremely hard work... it takes a lot of work to
pursue another person... to seek my pleasure, I had to work
for it.. even the question one wonders, does she love or does she not,
has pain within it.... for what if she doesn't love me? I will feel pain,
a lot of it.... been there, done that...

I no longer seek pain or pleasure, I seek something else altogether.

I seek wisdom, knowledge and those too, have their pain and pleasure...
but in seeking wisdom and knowledge, I am willing to suffer the pain
of that search... and that makes all the difference in the world....
I know seeking will cause pain, and I am willing to accept that...
and I know that in seeking, I will find pleasure.. and I am willing
to accept that...the costs of seeking is a cost I am willing to pay..

In your seeking, is the cost, one you are willing to pay?
and do your rightfully understand the cost of your seeking?
we quite often don't see all the cost of our actions, of our seeking...
do you understand the price of your actions, of your seeking?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: Motivations in life...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:15 pm

I hold that the things that are meant to motivate
us are false, phony thing meant to get us to make others
rich... we are told to seek the trinkets of existence,
wealth, power, titles, fame... these are empty, valueless
trinkets that lead us away from what is truly that which we
should be seeking... we should be seeking the meaning of
existence, the meaning of our lives, we should be seeking
what it means to be human...and we should be seeking
our own possibilities... my best possibility is to seek out
becoming a great philosopher...that possibility
is worth more than just seeking wealth or power or fame or
titles....... for within that possibility, I can become something more
than just another human being.. in seeking out what is possible for me,
I am seeking to transcend what it means to be human...

I am no longer engaged with the lower levels of seeking my
biological or psychological needs, I am engaged in a higher level
of becoming who I am... I am engaged in my self actualization level
I am no longer engaged in seeking my needs but I am becoming
who I can become.. I am engaged in my own possibilities... not just
satisfying my own needs...

Kropotkin
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to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: Motivations in life...

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:46 pm

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..it’s always the quiet ones, huh. jk

My motivations are simple.. my next meal, my next workout, staying alive: which I’m currently #winning at.. I’ve always kept my motivations simple, for why complicate matters and lose yourself in the process whilst doing so.. as all else will fall into line behind that, if it’s intended for me.

..an ergonomic, holistic, approach to life.

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I have spent years seeking pleasure, and in doing so,
I only found pain...in seeking love and sex and happiness,
I quite often took the wrong road, which lead me to receiving
pain for my trouble... in pursuing pleasure, I sought it in
the wrong places, with the wrong person.. and I paid the price
for those failures...I suffered, a lot... for the Buddhist,
it is in the seeking that leads us astray... if we stop seeking
pleasure, we wouldn't suffer any pain.. and to some extent,
that is true...in the past, my attempts to "woe" another,
was extremely hard work... it takes a lot of work to
pursue another person... to seek my pleasure, I had to work
for it.. even the question one wonders, does she love or does she not,
has pain within it.... for what if she doesn't love me? I will feel pain,
a lot of it.... been there, done that...

I no longer seek pain or pleasure, I seek something else altogether.

I seek wisdom, knowledge and those too, have their pain and pleasure...
but in seeking wisdom and knowledge, I am willing to suffer the pain
of that search... and that makes all the difference in the world....
I know seeking will cause pain, and I am willing to accept that...
and I know that in seeking, I will find pleasure.. and I am willing
to accept that...the costs of seeking is a cost I am willing to pay..

In your seeking, is the cost, one you are willing to pay?
and do your rightfully understand the cost of your seeking?
we quite often don't see all the cost of our actions, of our seeking...
do you understand the price of your actions, of your seeking?

Kropotkin
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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