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Panem et circenses

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:13 pm

One has to ask, why don't the masses, the "people"
care about the issues that plague us... why don't they give a shit
about the matters that I routinely bring up.. What does it mean to
be human? What are we to do? What should we believe in?

I can barely get anyone around here to notice these important questions,
little less the people who exist outside of ILP.....

the problem of income inequality threatens our very society
and yet, few if any care or even notice.
and this is not an isolated case... we have issues/problems
that threaten to derail society and the state and heaven
forbid we might cancel "America has talent"......
or that Kim Kardashian has a new boyfriend.. which is clearly
the issue that threatens all of humanity.....

how do we break through to people the dire threats that are facing us?
now some might say, Kropotkin, you might cause people to panic?
yah, good, we need some panic if we are to solve these crisis issues...
the status que cannot stand.. we cannot continue on as if nothing is
happening... how do we break into the bread and circuses of modern life
today and present reality as it currently stands, not what is being presented
on TV or in the media, but as it is.....

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:35 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I can barely get anyone around here to notice these important questions

-- because they are too much like you -- not understanding what is actually more important than what. That is the effect of being in a cult - thinking that it is everyone else who is crazy. :D
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Peter Kropotkin: "I can barely get anyone around here to notice these important questions"

UR: because they are too much like you -- not understanding what is actually more important than what. That is the effect of being in a cult - thinking that it is everyone else who is crazy.

K: Let us see what you have to offer us... failed conspiracy theories,
Hunter's laptop, CCP, the 2020 "stolen" election, IQ45 still being president,
delusional theories about masks, destroying American's faith
in their institutions, attacking the media, believing that George Soros
has lasers in the sky to start forest fires but only in California, that
IQ45 is Christ the savior, and the greatest president in American history..

I am sure I am missing dozens of insane conspiracy theories, but its hard to
remember all of them... so, what is the latest insane conspiracy theory?
I am sure that Tucker will tell us tonight... and you will repeat it verbatim
tomorrow...

Kropotkin
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to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:42 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: Let us see what you have to offer us... failed conspiracy theories,
Hunter's laptop, CCP, the 2020 "stolen" election,

All of those proven to be true (not that you care what is true) but your cult doesn't allow those thoughts in your mind.

Peter Kropotkin wrote: IQ45 still being president,
delusional theories about masks, destroying American's faith
in their institutions, attacking the media, believing that George Soros
has lasers in the sky to start forest fires but only in California, that
IQ45 is Christ the savior,

And all of that comes from your cult.

Such an easily manipulated bubble you live in.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:18 pm

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When others attempt to engage, you don’t, and you go start a new thread. True!

Peter Kropotkin wrote:One has to ask, why don't the masses, the "people"
care about the issues that plague us... why don't they give a shit
about the matters that I routinely bring up.. What does it mean to
be human? What are we to do? What should we believe in?

I can barely get anyone around here to notice these important questions,
little less the people who exist outside of ILP.....

the problem of income inequality threatens our very society
and yet, few if any care or even notice.
and this is not an isolated case... we have issues/problems
that threaten to derail society and the state and heaven
forbid we might cancel "America has talent"......
or that Kim Kardashian has a new boyfriend.. which is clearly
the issue that threatens all of humanity.....

how do we break through to people the dire threats that are facing us?
now some might say, Kropotkin, you might cause people to panic?
yah, good, we need some panic if we are to solve these crisis issues...
the status que cannot stand.. we cannot continue on as if nothing is
happening... how do we break into the bread and circuses of modern life
today and present reality as it currently stands, not what is being presented
on TV or in the media, but as it is.....

Kropotkin
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:58 am

MagsJ:
When others attempt to engage, you don’t, and you go start a new thread. True!

K: I don't meet your expectations of a philosopher, oh well,
I really don't worry about that... I just do my thing..
regardless if you approve or not...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:03 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote: I don't meet your expectations of a philosopher, oh well, I really don't worry about that... I just do my thing..
regardless if you approve or not...

That’s not what I said/meant, but, um, oh ok.

It’s been said that everyone has a book in them.. doesn’t mean they ate it, and the 'educated' aren’t always educated.

..and is not bread and circuses much more preferable to the modern version of keeping the masses entertained with drugs and immoral things.. and at least they entertained their People, unlike certain countries where People were and still are cash cows.

When the circus and fair would come to town each year, the People would rejoice and went.. it’s a reel mood-lifter I can tell ya.

What do I think has ruined the World.. bribery and corruption.. the number 1. leveller of them all.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:25 pm

MagsJ wrote:..and is not bread and circuses much more preferable to the modern version of keeping the masses entertained with drugs and immoral things.. and at least they entertained their People, unlike certain countries where People were and still are cash cows.

When the circus and fair would come to town each year, the People would rejoice and went.. it’s a reel mood-lifter I can tell ya.

What do I think has ruined the World.. bribery and corruption.. the number 1. leveller of them all.
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              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:33 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
MagsJ wrote:..and is not bread and circuses much more preferable to the modern version of keeping the masses entertained with drugs and immoral things.. and at least they entertained their People, unlike certain countries where People were and still are cash cows.

When the circus and fair would come to town each year, the People would rejoice and went.. it’s a reel mood-lifter I can tell ya.

What do I think has ruined the World.. bribery and corruption.. the number 1. leveller of them all.
:wink:

Thanks.. ; )

..and Peter said that no-one here ever philosophises, proper.

I guess addictive pharmaceuticals, free addictive porn, and accessible addictive narcotics etc., are much more acceptable than bread and circuses.. to those who prefer their playing-fields level, and not true.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Sculptor » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:39 pm

Killing school children is all part of the Bread and Circuses.
The ritual destruction and slaughter has always been the lifeblood of the circus.
Whilst the destruction of the innocent continues and the ritual backlash of the anti-gun lobby against the NRA unfolds; the pathetic attempts at legislation and the moronic mantra of the "amendment" gets trotted out ad nauseum the government enjoying the distraction get on with other things that go under the radar ignored by a complicit media run by the same class as those enjoying the further exploitation of the poor to favour the rich.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:50 pm

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That’s the American version of 'panem et circenses' ..I was thinking more generally/globally, than that.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:42 pm

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Another PK deserted thread.. he makes his point, he runs.. some of us, stands our ground.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:40 pm

Peter doesn’t want his questions answered.

He stated that he has a lot to say to me, but he doesn’t speak to devils.

Yes. I am part devil. Is that too much for you to handle Peter?

I’m not going to hurt you.

Truth hurts you. I’ve seen it over and over.

The thing I’ve noticed most about people all these years is that they can’t handle the implications of being the enemies they critique.

So they stop using implication and definitional logic.

Peter. The moment you try to convert somebody is the moment you lost your soul.

Am I trying to convert you to that?

No. Time will do the favor for you.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:57 pm

We all would like to believe what we would like to believe.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:57 am

peter you've gotta go to twitter that's where the smart people on the internet hang out. this board was overrun by conspiracy types and right wingers who don't even consider themselves right wingers a long time ago.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:35 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:peter you've gotta go to twitter that's where the smart people on the internet hang out. this board was overrun by conspiracy types and right wingers who don't even consider themselves right wingers a long time ago.


K: I have actually gone elsewhere, another philosophy site.. for that
reason... I occasionally post here, but mostly I just watch this site
slowly fade away..

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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Gamer » Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm

My main issue with the OP is that a lot of people actually do know about the problems you describe. Maybe you’re focusing on the wrong pockets of humanity when trying to assess how prevalent the awareness is or isn’t. Yes we have some pretty big problems both now and imminent. How do you get people to notice? Know your audience. You can’t change peoples minds in real time but you can soften their positions over time. Don’t expect them to thank you. Just keep talking the talk. And be sure to stick around at least for a little while for the rebuttals and if it gets circular or disorganized, or people deflect with ad hominems, you can point it out, but it usually doesn’t stop them. They are doing it for a reason, and in rhetoric, deflections and ad hominems work really well. You can respectfully agree to disagree and try again later or move on.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:51 pm

Gamer wrote:You can respectfully agree to disagree and try again later or move on.

Try again later, to do what/for what end? ..change minds?

I was looking forward to a good debate with Peter on this topic, but got none.. a good topic none-the-less.. a shame it didn’t progress.. beyond Peter’s blinkered mind.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Gamer » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:48 pm

I can’t answer for Peter. But yeah, one can “try again later” but don’t expect much. I just think at times you can catch people (maybe not Kropotkin, idk) in different moods or come from a different angle, and suddenly you have a discourse instead of a series of deflections. Orderly discourse is the holy grail because both sides get a chance to explore and learn, because they’re both on the side of discourse, above all. But yeah, come back, try again, you can get positions to soften over time, or you can hone your wisdom for anticipating the pushback and find any weak spots in your own argument. I’m a firm believer in continuing the conversation. I no longer get a thrill from being clever and theatrical. I like a nice, clean, orderly dialectic on an urgently importantly topic. I rarely get that, but I always come back to people to try again. Ever hopeful.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:57 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:how do we break through to people the dire threats that are facing us?
now some might say, Kropotkin, you might cause people to panic?
yah, good, we need some panic if we are to solve these crisis issues...


According to Google, the word "panic" means "sudden uncontrollable fear or anxiety, often causing wildly unthinking behaviour". With that in mind, are you really sure you want to cause "wildly unthinking behavior"? Do you really want people to be irrational in order to solve problems?

Magjs wrote:When others attempt to engage, you don’t, and you go start a new thread. True!


I can second that. He has stated on at least one occasion -- although I believe he did it more than once -- that he has no interest in conversing with people on this board and that that is simply his style. He has that "I don't care what other people think of me" attitude.

Gamer wrote:I can’t answer for Peter. But yeah, one can “try again later” but don’t expect much. I just think at times you can catch people (maybe not Kropotkin, idk) in different moods or come from a different angle, and suddenly you have a discourse instead of a series of deflections. Orderly discourse is the holy grail because both sides get a chance to explore and learn, because they’re both on the side of discourse, above all. But yeah, come back, try again, you can get positions to soften over time, or you can hone your wisdom for anticipating the pushback and find any weak spots in your own argument. I’m a firm believer in continuing the conversation. I no longer get a thrill from being clever and theatrical. I like a nice, clean, orderly dialectic on an urgently importantly topic. I rarely get that, but I always come back to people to try again. Ever hopeful.


I'd say that's the right attitude.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:02 am

Gamer wrote:I can’t answer for Peter. But yeah, one can “try again later” but don’t expect much. I just think at times you can catch people (maybe not Kropotkin, idk) in different moods or come from a different angle, and suddenly you have a discourse instead of a series of deflections. Orderly discourse is the holy grail because both sides get a chance to explore and learn, because they’re both on the side of discourse, above all. But yeah, come back, try again, you can get positions to soften over time, or you can hone your wisdom for anticipating the pushback and find any weak spots in your own argument. I’m a firm believer in continuing the conversation. I no longer get a thrill from being clever and theatrical. I like a nice, clean, orderly dialectic on an urgently importantly topic. I rarely get that, but I always come back to people to try again. Ever hopeful.

We live in hope..

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Magjs wrote:When others attempt to engage, you don’t, and you go start a new thread. True!

I can second that. He has stated on at least one occasion -- although I believe he did it more than once -- that he has no interest in conversing with people on this board and that that is simply his style. He has that "I don't care what other people think of me" attitude.

Peter doesn’t care what people think, at all.

The best outlook to have, on a message board? :-k
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Meno_ » Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:19 am

From a central position his utility consist of a backwater glance into the way epic persona of the day used to impersonate themselves as everyman back then.
He does appear as a critical voice above the political facade, not necessarily ingeniously soapbox, but establishing successfully a baseline of withheld suppression of social apprehension placed on a petri dish, that obviously need no amplification .
Although he does assign himself such a role that makes discussion less then convincingly resolute, the baseline is like a springboard for above and below that boundary a point of departure for others.
So a kind of 'return to main street' has reactive value to things seemingly spinning out of control.( in forum and out)

Maybe, maybe not.
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Re: Panem et circenses

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:28 am

hey peter good news today. the fbi raided mar-a-lago. served a warrant. i think it's about that truckload of classified documents he stole when he was leaving the white house. he was in NJ at the time. they opened his safe at mar-a-lago. fox et all are spazzing lolol
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