the question of values...

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the question of values...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:33 pm

as I have noted before, that philosophy is a question of
values...science is a question of facts...

the earth is 93 million miles from the Sun...
that is scientific fact, but not a philosophical value....
and asking about what is the "moral" thing to do isn't
science, but it is philosophy...I believe the drive to
turn philosophy into science is doomed to failure, as is the attempt
to make science into philosophy...

so when we are faced with a moral question, that is philosophy...
so when one is faced with the statement, "Abortion is immoral",
how do we understand this question?

we have to work out, in some fashion, what is moral and what
is immoral? How are we going to judge such a thing as "MORAL"...
What standard are we to use to judge what "MORAL" is?

Historical, psychological, politically, socially, philosophically?

So the charge is, You are being immoral? and I ask, what does
that even mean? Immoral compared to.......what? the nature
of what is moral and immoral changes, all the time....
I note that smoking weed was considered to be "immoral"
until it wasn't.. and that change in morals, happened within
the last 10, 15 years...So, how do I pretend to understand
what is moral and immoral if that understanding changes
over a short period of time...so, when ask, is something like,
abortion is moral or immoral, it takes context to understand...
and if something takes context to understand, then it isn't
an "absolute" value that the critics of abortion make it to be....

it is situational ethics.. an ad hoc understanding of ethics...
today it is legal and tomorrow it isn't..
and the sad part is that people will think that with the end of
Roe vs Wade that magically abortions will end.... abortions will
end for black people and people of color. but white women,
they will continue to get abortions from their private doctors...
and it will be called an "procedure"... ending abortion doesn't
end abortion for wealthy white women, it will end abortion
for poor people of color....which actually might be the point....
that people of color get different treatment than white women...
and thus we have an, (another example of) an unjust society/state...
justice requires, demands that we are treated equally, that the law
doesn't favor individuals or groups over another, and yet, this
pretend ban on abortion will do just that... it is just another
step toward an biased, unjust society, that favors one group
over an another...which is exactly what conservatives want....
there ideal society/state is an unjust, biased, prejudice society
for older whites, and screw everyone else...if you don't fit into
their beloved group, they will set up laws that are biased
and prejudiced against you...not to create a more perfect union,

"We the people of the United States, in order to form
a more perfect union, establish justice...."

to actively work for an biased, unjust society is exactly the
opposite of what the founding fathers wanted.. thus
those who pretend to obey the constitution, don't actually
follow the tenants of the founding fathers and work toward
a "more perfect union"....these conservatives work toward an
unjust, biased, prejudice society.... and how is that working toward
a "more perfect union?"

and these are valid questions of philosophy... and not of science....

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: the question of values...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:07 pm

to continue on....

the conservative beliefs in preventing abortions, but what problem
are they actually solving? they are bringing children into the world,
but do they do anything AFTER a child is born?

No, nothing.... in fact the conservative is at war with children...
do they offer children better medical care? no, do they increase
educational access, NO..... do they approve of programs that
aim to feed infants, no....in fact, over 50% of all homeless people
in America are children...does the GOP ever address that problem?
no.....

Basically, the GOP forces children to be born and then the GOP
actively tries to kill those same children..... it makes no sense...
but then the GOP/MAGA party makes no sense of any kind...

if you force children to be born, then you must, MUST, attempt
to keep those children alive and the GOP makes no attempt to
keep children alive.... in fact, the GOP motto could be,

''death to all colored children''

and that doesn't seem to be very ''pro-life", does it?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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