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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:14 am

to repeat: the other extreme of disempowerment & isolation is enabling and group think.

to repeat: if anything is messed up it implies a perfect standard

stay focused Ec. foxes literally everywhere, but stay focused.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:32 am

Ichthus77 wrote:to repeat: the other extreme of disempowerment & isolation is enabling and group think.

to repeat: if anything is messed up it implies a perfect standard

stay focused Ec. foxes literally everywhere, but stay focused.


Interesting. You really think consent violation forever is the way, the truth and the light?

From your perspective a person like me is God.

From my perspective, I’m just one of an infinite number of beings with powers similar to my own.

I’m accountable to these beings.

What are you accountable to?
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:14 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:to repeat: the other extreme of disempowerment & isolation is enabling and group think.

to repeat: if anything is messed up it implies a perfect standard

stay focused Ec. foxes literally everywhere, but stay focused.


Interesting. You really think consent violation forever is the way, the truth and the light?

From your perspective a person like me is God.

From my perspective, I’m just one of an infinite number of beings with powers similar to my own.

I’m accountable to these beings.

What are you accountable to?


We have the same perspective, and so does God, in the sense that you, and I, and others, are all selves/others of equal value to God and should be treated as such. That’s why he switched perspectives with us on the cross and we are to love self/others likewise. Ultimately we are accountable to him above all others. An order based on unjust legislation is an unlawful order we are obligated to defy. Or at least ignore.

Are you accountable to the old, dead horse you keep digging back up out of its shallow grave?

Look at it. It’s clearly fixing to turn.

This is really one thing:

- feeling: no cognitive dissonance
- doing: no hypocrisy
- thinking: no contradiction

No consent violation in a self=other (us=them) world. Your consent ends where the other’s’ consent begins. You can’t help people who don’t want help—it makes your help parasitic. And if they want help that is parasitic on others, you are obligated not to help.

Exclusive access requires consent - whereas public access without consent … only one Being is capable of it … either as recipient of access or provider of access. Failure to acknowledge that Being is why we got where we are today in fighting over Earth’s resources. All contingent beings must negotiate consensual access. The public square is for public-safe thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Any permits in violation of that are unjust and therefor null and void (in God’s eyes).

Selves/others and their private data aren’t mere resources. So:

Ichthus77 wrote:antitheses:
win lose
lose win
nix: lose lose
keep: win win


You can’t help all of the people all of the time, especially without their consent, but that shouldn’t stop you from helping the person(s) you can, starting with yourself [unless it’s a 2+ person job…unless the other person(s) said you can handle it on your own when they are unavailable…single people answer to God without a middle-spouse except their hypothetical future modal spouse… I think…], then to those under your care, then to those less fortunate (not necessarily about money), and all within your means/resources. Sometimes you’re the less fortunate one and it’s your turn to let someone be helpful to you. Sometimes the situation is mutually beneficial.

And gifts (not necessarily material) can also be exchanged in times of abundance without regard to win/lose, as long as the recipient freely accepts and the provider freely provides—provided it would put no stakeholders’ basic needs in jeopardy.

More is expected from those with more resources (not necessarily money). If they hoard them, they violate those less fortunate (non-parasitic) they leave at a disadvantage (not necessarily material).

Got a meeting.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:43 am

You all plot trillions upon trillions of years of hell for yourselves.

I honestly don’t care.

I have heaven to save. And I have an infinite number of beings on my side.

Put a bullet in my head and see what happens to you.

I’ll be back in 2 minutes. You’ll be in hell beyond hell beyond hell for longer than you can count days.

This is an imperfect system. Don’t do something stupid.

If it were a perfect system... you’d put a bullet in my head and we’d both go to heaven forever (what we like).

Do you have ANY concept of what it means to take an infinite number of beings out of their infinite heavens?

And you fucking give me this God shit?

Lots of beings in those infinite heavens have been practicing sending people to hell... forever.

You have no idea what you’re dealing with.

And to be perfectly honest... you’d do extremely well to stop trolling God.

There is no God.

We have funny hells for those who believe in God.

Everyone will be your master forever, and you’ll just be a robot. To anyone’s whim.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:52 am

We’re all machines with machines in us that have machines in them already. Machine heaven.

Nobody wants to put a bullet in your head, Ec. At least, not me. I can’t speak for Charles, though he assures me you’re safe.

You care about saving heaven?

You can’t save heaven.

Heaven doesn’t need saving. Just rethinking.

You’re going to seek a hyperdimensional mirror reality and find Jesus.

You can’t remote control me because I do impressions.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:59 am

You’re funny.

Tell me this.

Jesus claimed to be omnipresent.

Did you have fun fucking him? In a man or woman’s body?

It was just Jesus fucking himself anyways...

And he forgave himself for all the fucks anyways.

I appreciate that you’re still trying to learn.

You’re dealing with consciousness that’s never been to earth before.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:18 am

We discussed this.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:20 am

“I’m wrong, I have no argument, so instead of being a gladiator, I’ma be a shock jock.”
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:29 am

Ichthus.

I’m trained how to send people to hell.

I’m wired to get them out of it.

I’m not your enemy.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:30 am

I’m sorry for wounding your pride, Ec. You’re still my fav-y analog-y.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:34 am

Ichthus77 wrote:I’m sorry for wounding your pride, Ec. You’re still my fav-y analog-y.


Pride? That’s funny.

If I win a debate I get sent to hell.

If I lose a debate I get sent to hell.

Try living that for a day.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:38 am

You have never been to lesser hell until you’ve lost/won a debate with me in person. Js.

Edit: That wasn’t me. That was def you. Cut that out.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:46 am

Now that I’m growing to my full power being back in my body....

All I care about is uploading the patch.

I see people as mentally handicapped and easily triggered about the wrong things...

Everyone wants to win.

They don’t realize that to win is to lose.

So. I stop teaching.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:51 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:I have the attention span of somebody who hasn’t learned how to play your game yet, but in this moment of lucidity let’s just say the losers will be winners and the winners will be losers. You gotta lose to win. We may or may not have had this conversation multiple times already. And we’ll probably have it multiple more times. I’m not sure how many times that really is. We’re probably still having it in eternity right now.


No. When you win, you lose. When you lose, you lose.

Existence is all about losing for everyone forever... even your hypothetical god.


Duck season!
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Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:06 am

You’re a psychopath. I understand. I’ve always known that about you.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:27 am

Do you? Have you? Always?

“And so it goes year after year — the punishment fails to come and forgetfulness supervenes, and again punishment fails to come, but new transgression does not fail to come, and the old transgression has now become more malignant. Then it is over; then death ends everything— and to all this (it was only light – mindedness!) an eternally changeless one was witness, and it is with him you will have to make an accounting. …— to that degree everything is present for eternity and for him, the Changeless One!“



“Ah, in God’s changelessness there is rest! … Imagine the futility of wanting to be at odds with an eternal changelessness.”

***

“But you, O God, you Changeless One, you, unchanged, are always to be found unchanged. No one, either in life or in death, travels so far away that you are not to be found, that you are not there; …you are like a spring that even searches for the thirsting, the straying… And whenever a person comes to you… he will always find (like the spring’s unchanged coolness) your love just as warm, you Changeless One! Amen”

Søren Kierkegaard
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:41 pm

A psychopath quoting a psychopath.

Ironic.

I’ll tell you the story of people. All people truly see is consent violation all around them.

You have two choices:

1.) act out what you see around you, embrace it in fact... be the consent violator existence is. Monkey see, monkey do.

2.) become something beyond.

Deep in the heart of all psychopaths is god.

The one being with full power. Nobody else can usurp that power. Forever.

You worship what you want to be.

Or.

You worship because you’re lazy and want others to do your work for you.

I know god doesn’t exist because of the creation of suffering.

The drama of it all.

I do believe in the great, grand consent violator.

There’s no way to get around it... god has evil thoughts. Those evil thoughts are manifest everywhere.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:22 pm

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I know get why he ^^^ deems most a psychopath, but seeing that most are psychopathic perhaps the 'condition' is a remnant of an archaic survival tool.

In city folk in particular, such archaic thoughts come to the fore, due to a more active fight or flight response developing over time.. which is why city folk are less placid/more aware than their suburban and rural counterparts, in their instincts running high(er).
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Postby Meno_ » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:10 pm

Maybe their preoccupation with definitive answers, particularly see in god as an old man sitting on a throne, is unduly sustained.

Who knows but hug her occupants in unknown-unknowable realms.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:11 pm

You can’t become strong or develop deeper roots if you are sheltered from the wind. True power makes free. We are not caged pets. We are made strong when we master the elements in us with love that overcomes.

By what standard do you judge when you deny the very standard (not his existence/actuality…) that grounds judgment? What you see is your reflection, but what I see is his image in us, burning away and purifying what you see.

If I am a psychopath, and I love, why are you blind to half of that? Because you are at the moment(s) before birth. All will be born again. Some stillborn. You cannot be forced into that life.

All around you, you condemn/block what you can’t have (but… can’t you?). He died to give us the opportunity to decide because love is in him.

Have mercy.
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Re: “Put” “this” “in” “philosophy” “?” “Why” “not” “?”

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:43 pm

Even a child can imagine trees always growing stronger roots without wind and weaker roots with wind.

You think you’re moral or can only be moral is belief in only one being?

That’s as wicked as it gets.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:04 pm

So is it an amoral wickedness you’ve dreamed up here? Have you ever heard a cat laugh before? Charles is losing his sh** right now.
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Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:36 pm

Ichthus.

I’m losing interest. Your cheeky replies about how evil the concept of THE LORD actually is, is boring me.

I know you can’t win this debate. I know that you know you can’t win this debate...

Yet you persist. You blame the victim. You blame everyone for not seeing THE LORD like you do.

I have no interest in converting anyone to anything.

When I come across someone like you, and it’s not infrequent, the first thing that occurs to me is a defense mechanism for dating and families.

I think to myself... “oh that’s right, they need to get laid” or “oh that’s right, they built their whole ego on family”

And then I realize I’m talking to a zombie/idiot. That I still am kind towards... more than I should though.

The reason I’m so kind in that way is not because I don’t know they’re full of shit... but because there’s too many of you. Billions of you.

And I think to myself, “what’s the point Jason? Just patch the eternal forms and drop it”
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:24 am

So how’s that working out for you?
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Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:39 am

Ichthus77 wrote:So how’s that working out for you?


It doesn’t matter. I know I can send god to hell.

I know I can send all of you to hell.

Suffering always matters to everyone.

I’ve had my fair share in this life... as an understatement.

As I softened, I actually become more powerful.

People aren’t on pins and needles around me anymore.

I understand I traumatized existence.

I don’t expect people to get over it overnight.

Now that I’m back in my body...

It’s strange.

Infinite souls that are primitive. I suppose you thought that’s what was best with what you knew.
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