Formation

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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:02 pm

This video I became interested in - thinking about some differences and so start with some day to day - differences between times/epochs/eras...some days stand out. I would have assumed that in the year 2021 that we would have less to whine about than in eras past and given that we are assuredly whining as much as we ever did then it is certain the whining will continue for the human being for as long as the human, being...



Unless I am somehow mistaken - the simple act of dressing only changes - changes reflect time available - less classy now - as much as thinking.

- it is interesting for me to take into account eras past and contrast with today the way people frame day to day problems - to the extent that people feel the need to change their bodies, live forever, or at least fight aging - stress out about so much that people are powerless to change - and keep telling ourselves lies - with this and more > people appear to have entered an age of stupidity and emptiness - never finding anything meaningful and thinking someone else may provide it - we can ask: What's a thing? And or what's a thought? - to which I have no response at this point in time - and only that I think about, as children, which often we forget that we were, we did not wonder about such things and we managed to be happier than ever and the simple process of becoming an adult with its added responsibilities does not need to be so traumatic and change so drastically the way we think to drive us to begin the slow evolution to pointless questions - clearly, the products of a mind that finds itself wandering, perhaps because things like job satisfaction are another lie and so we become writers to explore our thoughts - we can write such questions...leaves me wondering, sometimes...why ask? Is there something we are trying to access through the asking?

Life is not just about our thoughts - it is most certainly also about our feelings...and after this, each individual chooses what else gets added...be it spirituality or whatever else - because let's face it...no one actually gives a flying #%@& how nice your car is, how big your house is, how much money is in your account, how much you know or how correct what you know is - people either swing toward loving or hating nowadays and #%@& the haters. If nature somehow takes us out by whatever means - which I suspect is somehow happening whether we choose it or not because we still have not demonstrated any real control in any circumstance - at least if we are smart enough to see it - else we are delusional - we can not expect to ask classy questions without enough time to formulate them. When we start believing that thinking is only about logic...

I am not sure how many more times I need to state this: we become robots...

Somebody elses robots
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:17 am

You'rer right on here, course, decode, but than, how does one deal with apparitions?

Two rights does not one wrong make, for sure the new nuevo rishe will not let us forget.

That's what an eternal return implies. These thoughts have a hidden power that will the remembrances of things , even they be flowers of evil.
There is some disposition and mysterious magic in their being in themselves, so their magic can incense the putrid presence of what has become impossible.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:18 pm

The Rohonc Codex | Truth or Lore

Putting this here for later.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:56 pm

encode_decode wrote:The Rohonc Codex | Truth or Lore

Putting this here for later.



That later has always been that sooner.

Just an unwarranted interjunction, not to evolve or retard the progression or retard the already formal regression, essentially but not phenominally at odds.

Is further descent affordable? How many parantheses enclosing prior smaller ones be envisioned?

Can thought it'self reduce to the tinyest bit of information possible, or must The Word It's Self reduce to unmanageable trivialities?
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:09 am

Meno_ wrote:That later has always been that sooner.

Just an unwarranted interjunction, not to evolve or retard the progression or retard the already formal regression, essentially but not phenominally at odds.

Is further descent affordable? How many parantheses enclosing prior smaller ones be envisioned?

Can thought it'self reduce to the tinyest bit of information possible, or must The Word It's Self reduce to unmanageable trivialities?

Sorry, Meno_. I have been quite busy and not had time to get back around to response.

Interesting things you say in last two posts. Hopefully I will be able to add - I hope you are well, man.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:49 pm

encode_decode wrote:
Meno_ wrote:That later has always been that sooner.

Just an unwarranted interjunction, not to evolve or retard the progression or retard the already formal regression, essentially but not phenominally at odds.

Is further descent affordable? How many parantheses enclosing prior smaller ones be envisioned?

Can thought it'self reduce to the tinyest bit of information possible, or must The Word It's Self reduce to unmanageable trivialities?

Sorry, Meno_. I have been quite busy and not had time to get back around to response.

Interesting things you say in last two posts. Hopefully I will be able to add - I hope you are well, man.




Thanks encode, be seeing You soon. Hope things are forming up to You as well
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:50 pm

Due to the nature of what should be mentioned, s'ensuit cryptique is a necessary feature of what follows, as such one must only loosely follow...for the time being.

Meno_ wrote:That later has always been that sooner.

Just an unwarranted interjunction, not to evolve or retard the progression or retard the already formal regression, essentially but not phenominally at odds.

Is further descent affordable? How many parantheses enclosing prior smaller ones be envisioned?

Can thought it'self reduce to the tinyest bit of information possible, or must The Word It's Self reduce to unmanageable trivialities?

There is nothing too trivial with what I am working on at the moment. I suspect thought can be reduced to tiniest bit of information possible...brings to mind ψευδόμενος λόγος(pseudómenos lógos)...thought it started somewhere between the unknown - more unaware - and the known - more aware...projected into consciousness as a frame. Five years ago, a friend of mine staying in Vienna, gave me an idea through a simple model - he also stated such as that intelligence can be thought of as mental events in the future reduced to mental events of the past...task of the mind is identifying patterns between these continua of events...he was able to model with impressive results, sets of three whereby each segment had an adjoining but negative attraction to the next and so for each representation, six then the seventh is the recognition - thought is too often anthropomorphized and how can a thought be analyzed by a thought that believes that thoughts can only be beliefs for example...I suggest the smallest segment of thought is not recognizable as a thought but contains a necessary essence that makes it so...as for the parenthesis, it was more of a flag to trigger an event at a later stage. Still working on a real answer for any of this, which may never truly come but as we close in over time, more impressive results keep "popping up". Encoded within is the need for a slight expansion of contained logic that contains visions of triangle tessellations.

...until I return to the meat of this discourse, I offer this up as small jerky to chew on...

...next I plan to answer the other post, supra...before the new year, I hope...concernant les apparitions...
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:41 pm

encode_decode wrote:Due to the nature of what should be mentioned, s'ensuit cryptique is a necessary feature of what follows, as such one must only loosely follow...for the time being.

Agreed.

so buddhic, emerging a formative modeling through a dchopenhauerian sadness to revive a romantic idiom, subsisting through the social matrix of Dostoevsky's 'Notes from Underground' through Sartre's reductive reaction




Meno_ wrote:That later has always been that sooner.

Just an unwarranted interjunction, not to evolve or retard the progression or retard the already formal regression, essentially but not phenominally at odds.

Is further descent affordable? How many parantheses enclosing prior smaller ones be envisioned?

Can thought it'self reduce to the tinyest bit of information possible, or must The Word It's Self reduce to unmanageable trivialities?

There is nothing too trivial with what I am working on at the moment. I suspect thought can be reduced to tiniest bit of information possible...brings to mind ψευδόμενος λόγος(pseudómenos lógos)...thought it started somewhere between the unknown - more unaware - and the known - more aware...projected into consciousness as a frame. Five years ago, a friend of mine staying in Vienna, gave me an idea through a simple model - he also stated such as that intelligence can be thought of as mental events in the future reduced to mental events of the past...task of the mind is identifying patterns between these continua of events...he was able to model with impressive results, sets of three whereby each segment had an adjoining but negative attraction to the next and so for each representation, six then the seventh is the recognition - thought is too often anthropomorphized and how can a thought be analyzed by a thought that believes that thoughts can only be beliefs for example...I suggest the smallest segment of thought is not recognizable as a thought but contains a necessary essence that makes it so...as for the parenthesis, it was more of a flag to trigger an event at a later stage. Still working on a real answer for any of this, which may never truly come but as we close in over time, more impressive results keep "popping up". Encoded within is the need for a slight expansion of contained logic that contains visions of triangle tessellations.

...until I return to the meat of this discourse, I offer this up as small jerky to chew on...

...next I plan to answer the other post, supra...before the new year, I hope...concernant les apparitions...



Excellent.


So transcriptively imminent from Dostoevsky's 'Notes from Underground' Buddhistic formation through Schpenharain romantic revival through Sartre's sad reductive efforts.



Had to write some reaction this was compelling beyond description, almost in sync to the point of conflating imminence and transcendence , in an effort to perceive a phenominal nihilized form of any model.
Such sync resulting a demotion from the 'fabrication' for lack of a better word if any framing, epoche of the immenant and transcendent mix , as a coding, or modeling reduction in a penomenolohically expressed signal.?


I am not under any illusion to voluntarily intend such a state, feel as if something pulling up beyond recognition in any frame of reference, or epoche or within a contextually infinite series of quanta.


Note to others: I wish I could pull this down to earth, but realization is hard to come by there, nowadays.

Hope to work on it in more emathically riverside ways, but this referential inference was spell bonding. Hope it never stops it's haunting effect.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:51 am

Much time has elapsed and to this, I should return. At least oil gears of thought. Happy to start with > first thing that comes to me based on near past reckoning.

Meno_ wrote:You'rer right on here, course, decode, but than, how does one deal with apparitions?

Two rights does not one wrong make, for sure the new nuevo rishe will not let us forget.

That's what an eternal return implies. These thoughts have a hidden power that will the remembrances of things , even they be flowers of evil.
There is some disposition and mysterious magic in their being in themselves, so their magic can incense the putrid presence of what has become impossible.

I have periodically come back to apparitions within my head. It forms many thoughts for me, not excluding what appear to be zombie-like ghost people that currently it seems, roam earth lost. Among these figures, are and it is obvious, people that make sure not to forget. Such lack of forgetting, as is apparent, is now causing more of late, next set of problems to contemplate. Welcome to twenty twenty-two, we could say.

Surely we had to bring some problem with us from the year past. Drama queens in control of zombies..and in all, hiding behind the act...of a serious face that is meant to reassure. We should deal with "things" so as not to be fooled and two wrongs do not one right make...by nature of an automatic rule, formations are not always formed by attractions but also repulsions. New rich just read and act on patterns and consumer make this easy for them.

Here I materialize a thought process parallel to "the question" and more process need to be formed for me before "the question". Une question d'apparition - a matter of appearance...

...as it arrives at my head, in waiting, to enter :-k
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:16 am

encode_decode wrote:Much time has elapsed and to this, I should return. At least oil gears of thought. Happy to start with > first thing that comes to me based on near past reckoning.

Meno_ wrote:You'rer right on here, course, decode, but than, how does one deal with apparitions?

Two rights does not one wrong make, for sure the new nuevo rishe will not let us forget.

That's what an eternal return implies. These thoughts have a hidden power that will the remembrances of things , even they be flowers of evil.
There is some disposition and mysterious magic in their being in themselves, so their magic can incense the putrid presence of what has become impossible.

I have periodically come back to apparitions within my head. It forms many thoughts for me, not excluding what appear to be zombie-like ghost people that currently it seems, roam earth lost. Among these figures, are and it is obvious, people that make sure not to forget. Such lack of forgetting, as is apparent, is now causing more of late, next set of problems to contemplate. Welcome to twenty twenty-two, we could say.

Surely we had to bring some problem with us from the year past. Drama queens in control of zombies..and in all, hiding behind the act...of a serious face that is meant to reassure. We should deal with "things" so as not to be fooled and two wrongs do not one right make...by nature of an automatic rule, formations are not always formed by attractions but also repulsions. New rich just read and act on patterns and consumer make this easy for them.

Here I materialize a thought process parallel to "the question" and more process need to be formed for me before "the question". Une question d'apparition - a matter of appearance...

...as it arrives at my head, in waiting, to enter :-k



Patterns apperitions, repulsions, attractions,materialize,more process formed befite the question of apperition of appearance, lack of forgetting, the appearance , hiding behind the face a serious act, not excluding a zombie , a hidden power in the remembrance of things, arrives at my head waiting,- these are all fragments and they could be put together..


Taken apart singularly meaningful
Attach anything to fit.

But the reality binds it binds into an unprecedented role blinding in it's binding : no idea how:

So solution? Draw a circle around it strong as was drawn around Brunhilda for such love not perish.

A sacred ring of fire, less not loose it's memory as you say: and then someone may if interested be let in.

Mostly though the warning not to renter will stop any one coups supposing, when it be decoded into similarly patterned .

Saw something deleted about super duper AI machines so not be fooled she can talk you into releasing, even if, and besides sleep on it tomorrow being another day followed by night.

I swear live will get us through when it's set up like that.

It is only that which keeps it going.

Thought of when things settle down a bit and they think I will betray a trust, well come again.

Have so much to say but ran out a moment.

But after word opened my window to sound of crickets playing their summer idyll so much out of character but not here in the California of January 2029, while my folks back in Paul bunyan's land are sleeping under blankets of fleecy white brrrrrrr.

That's about as much remembrances of past times can evoke just now. Tempus fugit.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:50 pm

Then there are the things that one can see when no one else can.

How it is that others can miss such things like the message is private or destined only for one. Those fleeting ponderings that one never bothers to write down that give to me you a missing piece that could have been valuable but instead will then lay dormant for an indefinite period only to resurface when it is too late or otherwise not needed. Today each time I write out thoughts I want to erase or delete but then away from pen or computer there they are and I want to keep them but age is tricky and when upon return to the medium for recording it is like the thoughts walked away...no disappear/disapparition...and I can only ask why but I do know the mind is not letting go but this is not the mind aware. This is the mind unaware teasing me, tantalizing and tempting, and telling me that we are only warming up, yes, we are just getting started.

Well for this year at least.

The obvious is comfortable but the otherwise gives a person drive and such things are akin to like how grass continues to make attempt to move up at all age points.

Many things keep us moving ahead and none are so obvious to provide comfort...Il n’y a pas plus sourd que celui qui ne veut pas entendre.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:06 pm

"tous pour un mais pas un pour tous"?

What reasons can support that idea, where
and when reasons prevailDoes not, sight support the sound of the past, or the other way around, the sound of sight? Can not the cricket's call, recreate an earlier image of vast supplication into the yet undefined future?

Intermingled, purposefully redundant and regressed to the unique melody or the classical harmonics calculated into previse baroque sustanance for others to costume and live on?

Blindly escalated tenuous hope of see in him again, and Him too, in a tiring preset a fallacious ambiguity to tease?

Yes and more, much more than this unfinished.
Unfinished because others may find it a needle in a haystack.

One summer they could have been you a single wheet or blade of grass , between teeth looking at the sky undefined and wish to god not to grow, but picture this escape as an eternal object.Not to grieve, but restrain beauty, restrain it so that they will loose it in the field, that in another season, it may again burst assunder?

No, that will be another, with you in it , as well. That hairs in your head counted, every single one.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:26 am

Of course for the one who thinks the universe is in rotation around herself then she is the deafest. She is like a camel that can not see its hump. She or actually he still experiences the feeling of moving forward but the hump is getting bigger and there is no relief and life continues to feel heavier, as in life is weighing him or her down. One feels great about individualism but of course, it comes with loneliness. More evident as we move from in a measure of time. Instead, I prefer to thread from time that which keeps me connected to another or others depending on the time frame being experienced. Then we deal with such impossibilities through examples like that explanation of ancient Egypt through Egyptologists and it appears they are not thinking about what they are saying and clearly what they tell us is worthless, such is the case with many things. When fantasy is presented as facts in simple terms. Of course, there is always a simpler explanation. Of course, we overlook things. Of course, there is a truth and such an item has value on some spectrum of truth/value. A truth explained has its value rooted in the difference between language usage between the speaker and the listener id est and in this case, any writer and the reader(any).

"What reasons can support that idea"

Reasons contained within, to begin with. Reasons not privy to the receiver, no doubt. However, yes, some information is moved forward to sometimes become knowledge.

Such knowledge comes with its own reasoning...

For many, their own whole life is a needle in a haystack. Recycling the same questions in their measure of time we refer to as life. Robustness is a built-in feature that never quite removes the pain and one must take the bad with the good. Such a state of mind avoids for the person a state of peculiar depression that oft times the-of experiencer cannot even detect but yet feel. For the onlooker, something is true "up" - something does not appear right. Like a foreign apparition but instead between country, between two or more individuals. Then to the internal, when the aware can see content in the unaware as to if the two minds are communicating. What about words? Through interpretation when you see a text meaning something different from what another believes. The angle of perception? Based on an individual prior experience, such a text presents to a reader and appearance but as explained before here from me, such diffusion can do this - and yours is different to mine - unavoidable. Social living overcomes some of this and the inner circle will experience less of problème - like concentric rings the further out taken, quite the problem becomes.

Image

Beyond my perimos is the extis(EXTIS). Out there is a common understanding only achievable through commonalities such as but not exclusive to a common language. Cultural inclusions are considered too.

In the measure of time where things can unthread from each other like a disconnect between let us say, for example, ancient Greece to now...

...is included some relevant information, made relevant to those who decide its value. We are left whether choice, do I believe that leader of his field, or do I not do that.

This partie un, left for decide, what is the next.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:59 am

Intermission...

I want to imagine for a moment that a woman and I are walking above a forest and we can see a river below us. The river is large and connected to it is a great waterfall. We can hear the waterfall from up here and also there is a breeze that surrounds us. The breath of the sky touches our skin and love overcomes us and we hold hands and we become immersed in a moment of bliss together. We continue to walk and become aware of the heaven that the sky presents to us with its majesty over the earth. I can smell the forest floor at this point. There are mushrooms in the middle of their own existence and thoughts of fairies appear in my head. Happy little people with wings flying about and laughing to each other, having fun like children and then my mind returns to my wife at my side and she is smiling because of the look on my face. She can tell that I was deep in another world.

More on this later. For now, we can be content that within the village, everyone's life somehow just got a little bit better and perhaps the white-bearded man has a high value. The clouds have reappeared, I speak too soon, now they threaten me with the sun, and there again they have appeared. Strange weather we are having. Still the temperature for the moment is comfortable, even with the sun making an appearance and then hiding again. I need to drink more coffee as I develop my thoughts. I can say that I looked at some beautiful images of the countryside today from another country and these images contained my desires. Desires to watch simply a waterfall with its dance in the light and sparkling bright. Beautiful words we seek to create equally pretty pictures inside our heads.

May everybody's day be well and peaceful...
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:15 pm

encode_decode wrote:Intermission...

I want to imagine for a moment that a woman and I are walking above a forest and we can see a river below us. The river is large and connected to it is a great waterfall. We can hear the waterfall from up here and also there is a breeze that surrounds us. The breath of the sky touches our skin and love overcomes us and we hold hands and we become immersed in a moment of bliss together. We continue to walk and become aware of the heaven that the sky presents to us with its majesty over the earth. I can smell the forest floor at this point. There are mushrooms in the middle of their own existence and thoughts of fairies appear in my head. Happy little people with wings flying about and laughing to each other, having fun like children and then my mind returns to my wife at my side and she is smiling because of the look on my face. She can tell that I was deep in another world.

More on this later. For now, we can be content that within the village, everyone's life somehow just got a little bit better and perhaps the white-bearded man has a high value. The clouds have reappeared, I speak too soon, now they threaten me with the sun, and there again they have appeared. Strange weather we are having. Still the temperature for the moment is comfortable, even with the sun making an appearance and then hiding again. I need to drink more coffee as I develop my thoughts. I can say that I looked at some beautiful images of the countryside today from another country and these images contained my desires. Desires to watch simply a waterfall with its dance in the light and sparkling bright. Beautiful words we seek to create equally pretty pictures inside our heads.

May everybody's day be well and peaceful...



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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:58 am

Meno_ wrote:Over-under whelming coded later-before-
the Uber/Inter Mann, besagt-

Sounds pretty serious, Meno.

I will not ask you if you are deep in thought...

...because that seems to be your natural state...

:D

Nonetheless...peace! I will come back.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:29 am

encode_decode wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Over-under whelming coded later-before-
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Sounds pretty serious, Meno.

I will not ask you if you are deep in thought...

...because that seems to be your natural state...

:D

Nonetheless...peace! I will come back.




I feel you never left.

Peace is here, by piece.


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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:22 am

Meno_ wrote:I feel you never left.

Peace is here, by piece.


and me two!

I like it :)

The language structure of the brain-mind does not have the luxury of being able to pay attention to itself.

Hence hurriedly placed words often appear to miss something. I don't always place the metric megaton of checks on my writing. Sometimes it is better to get things out.

The organic appearance is sometimes nice. But...yes there is a bottleneck between often what we want to say and what comes out.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:12 am

All what supposed to imply is the great deal of implicated. difference. between . preconstructed, reconstructed and deconstructed methods that may mirror the formation of a model.

They call it automatic guesswork, but others may consider it answers to questions posed from the higher power.

Without it the megatons may be merely deontologically reduced risk.

Of course this is mere conjecture into the possibility of uncertainty, and it may go from the unaffordable luxury of musing to prohibitive free flow of whatever may be a draft to something specific.

But please do not consider answering something that may be ill conceived or connected.

Attention should vane, as this goes the other direction.

In fact it is outrageous to consider it and promise to return if relevance comes to bear.

Do I understand what I am talking about? Probably not.And really, peace is a very profound direction , toward which it is noble to steer.Thank You denote.
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Re: Formation

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:50 pm

Next a.m


Reading the above, I tried to make sense of the above, and came to the conclusion that it really means that internal processes of thought mirror external ones, of what goes on around in reality, that is, there are cues. Signals which at times take on similar designations, whereby reality and how it is variously represented , effect automatically, receprically..

For instance, the general group of animals belong to the cat family, automatically evokes the particular cat when the house cat behaves a certain way.

The resembling qualities need not need a cognitive understanding of what ' fatness is and comes about in a progressive evolutionary manner, instead, the similarity itself is implicit in it's behavioral description.

Mamely. It is a ' Cat' because it acts catlike
This process of description is basically automatic, and this the description implicit withon it's own description is automatic in the sense that it's consistent with it's own self description, without really understanding how the catlike behavior relates among various cat-like creatures.

Thought on this level is purely reflective, and personal. Early science used reflective thought and not thought that refracts into undetstandible relations which later splintered into less automatic, more extrospective ways of processing.

Automatic flies of channeling creates illusions as well, of questionable reality and truth, but it's function to create alternate channels is primirdial generative function which calls unto the higher , pre-formative function of an existent which calls into question the limitations imposed on higher functional communication, which delimits it's own source to progressively smaller groups of understanding.

In fact the early unrealized proposition that science fiction is the preview of scientific reality , is on such a basic automata.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:26 pm

Meno_ wrote:Next a.m


Reading the above, I tried to make sense of the above, and came to the conclusion that it really means that internal processes of thought mirror external ones, of what goes on around in reality, that is, there are cues. Signals which at times take on similar designations, whereby reality and how it is variously represented , effect automatically, receprically..

For instance, the general group of animals belong to the cat family, automatically evokes the particular cat when the house cat behaves a certain way.

The resembling qualities need not need a cognitive understanding of what ' fatness is and comes about in a progressive evolutionary manner, instead, the similarity itself is implicit in it's behavioral description.

Mamely. It is a ' Cat' because it acts catlike
This process of description is basically automatic, and this the description implicit withon it's own description is automatic in the sense that it's consistent with it's own self description, without really understanding how the catlike behavior relates among various cat-like creatures.

Thought on this level is purely reflective, and personal. Early science used reflective thought and not thought that refracts into undetstandible relations which later splintered into less automatic, more extrospective ways of processing.

Automatic flies of channeling creates illusions as well, of questionable reality and truth, but it's function to create alternate channels is primirdial generative function which calls unto the higher , pre-formative function of an existent which calls into question the limitations imposed on higher functional communication, which delimits it's own source to progressively smaller groups of understanding.

In fact the early unrealized proposition that science fiction is the preview of scientific reality , is on such a basic automata.

Hmm, I was in middle of responding, well toward and nearly end. Then I notice you posted this. I will keep what I wrote and post with me considering this too.

Nearly a case of asking the mirror who the fairest. Also, my thoughts are infected by a female who broods as much as me. Her shell is borderline impenetrable. :-k
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:47 am

encode_decode wrote:Hmm, I was in middle of responding, well toward and nearly end. Then I notice you posted this. I will keep what I wrote and post with me considering this too.

Nearly a case of asking the mirror who the fairest. Also, my thoughts are infected by a female who broods as much as me. Her shell is borderline impenetrable. :-k

Not only this...

...for a long time, I have recognized the need for separate cerebrum mentis spatium and mainly in reason of life is not longer spacious enough to be in harmony with what others would have my-set-aside for beliefs filled with, so contrary to this idea: a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied. The world(id est people) are full of...[please insert here]. So very distracting to be analytical with all this goings-on in the EXTIS, outside my perimeter.

In such an environment akin to swimming through half-set concrete, I no longer feel like I can swim freely to the depths.

So yes, there is also this :arrow:
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:53 am

Sometime in the near past: id est, less that fifteen hours ago...

I am mildly annoyed at this point in time but my indignation has been widespread for veritable ages. Of course, I refer not to you Meno_, as our exchange often brings me cheerfully out of such depths. After such risen moments, I am able to ponder such considerations you present. I say this will be a nice change from what I have been doing for too many hours. First, let us see if I mirror your words to some degree...

I am thinking because it comes across initially something like the following and this against my current work which may affect my initial thoughts:

A large degree of difference is assumed to be implied between the preconstructed, reconstructed, and deconstructed methodologies that may be used to represent the creation of a system. Others may see it as answers to questions presented by a higher force, which is why they term it "automatic guesses." Without it, the megatons maybe just deontologically decreased danger. This, of course, is only speculation, and it may range from the prohibitively expensive luxury of thinking to the prohibitively free flow of anything particular. Answering something that might be misunderstood or related is preferable. As something moves in the opposite way, your focus should shift. Even considering the possibility and promising to return if it becomes relevant is ridiculous. My apologies if my explanation is unclear. Probably not, but it's possible. Even more so, peace is a noble goal that should be pursued at all costs. Indication of gratitude.

...now to consider your subsequent post, supra, and ponder diffusion/displacement to see if I can return to the "ball park"...
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:17 am

Meno_ wrote:Next a.m


Reading the above, I tried to make sense of the above, and came to the conclusion that it really means that internal processes of thought mirror external ones, of what goes on around in reality, that is, there are cues. Signals which at times take on similar designations, whereby reality and how it is variously represented , effect automatically, receprically..

For instance, the general group of animals belong to the cat family, automatically evokes the particular cat when the house cat behaves a certain way.

The resembling qualities need not need a cognitive understanding of what ' fatness is and comes about in a progressive evolutionary manner, instead, the similarity itself is implicit in it's behavioral description.

Mamely. It is a ' Cat' because it acts catlike
This process of description is basically automatic, and this the description implicit withon it's own description is automatic in the sense that it's consistent with it's own self description, without really understanding how the catlike behavior relates among various cat-like creatures.

Thought on this level is purely reflective, and personal. Early science used reflective thought and not thought that refracts into undetstandible relations which later splintered into less automatic, more extrospective ways of processing.

Automatic flies of channeling creates illusions as well, of questionable reality and truth, but it's function to create alternate channels is primirdial generative function which calls unto the higher , pre-formative function of an existent which calls into question the limitations imposed on higher functional communication, which delimits it's own source to progressively smaller groups of understanding.

In fact the early unrealized proposition that science fiction is the preview of scientific reality , is on such a basic automata.

OK, it does make sense to me, however, I am still processing ideas contained within. One effect that comes into play in the process of description is the potential parallel process of delusion that may affect the output. Given that there are other factors in play that I would be forced to explain it is better to just remember that no thought process is alone when the brain-mind is trying to express something. You partly say this when you mention "creates illusions" and this is something the sender can pre-create before the receiver needs to do his/her own processing...at the other endpoint. Then of course the receiver can add meaning and more than probably would add this meaning, essentially re-describing in their own head...and of course, adding a little delusion to it. These in two healthy individuals is minimal but always there, it is unavoidable. Things like this help us understand why things like Simplified Technical English come into being. To avoid ambiguity. This type of language however is still prone to "miss something" because of its limitations and its design tied to a minimal amount of fields.

I have more thoughts but will take a break - so problems at both ends and ambiguity in the medium...

This is the short without too much elaboration. There are about eleven other things you are referring to that I may have to return to.
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Re: Formation

Postby encode_decode » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:43 am

There are no pseudo-phenomenological laws in the Vienna Menorah. If a thought can only exist in the mind of someone who believes that ideas only exist in the mind of someone who doesn't, how is it possible to examine a thought? The first thing that comes to mind when I materialize a thought process parallel to "the question" and additional process has to be produced for me before it gets to my head, in waiting, to enter-k Une question d'apparition Materialize patterns of attraction and repulsion. To me, you have a missing piece of information that may have been important but instead will lay dormant for an extended duration only to resurface when it is too late or otherwise not needed. Is there anyone more bitter than the one who doesn't want to understand everything for one but not all for all?

Simply notes to keep me caught up, not translated fully.

A previous vision of enormous pleading into an as-yet-undefined future cannot be recreated by the cricket's cry. For many people, their entire existence is a haystack full with needles. As a result of robustness' inherent flaws, no amount of good will ever outweigh the evil. Only via similarities, such as but not limited to the use of a common language, can we get to a shared understanding. Cultural aspects are also taken into account.

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Wittgenstein argued that a word or even a sentence has meaning only as a result of the "rule" of the "game" being played.
Depending on the context, for example,
-the utterance "Water!" could be an order, the answer to a question, or some other form of communication.
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Die Grenzen meiner Sprache bedeuten die Grenzen meiner Welt.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Pall ist.

*Fall --- perhaps I will Fall the ballpark :lol:
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