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Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:05 am
by MagsJ
Was understanding Mr. Neitzche supposed to make you feel less nervous, or not nervous at all?

Nervous of assurance in yourself?

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:13 pm
by Meno_
Less nervous because thinking people will make (by understanding) the difference between the various aphormentioned ideas, the conceivably change course.Even the argument that the Crucifixion was awaste of time had been digested for two thousand years, plenty of time to learn something. But it seems a so worthless. So in spite, I remain nervous.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:33 am
by Meno_
Either the truth lays, if Trump or the CIA/FBI/Media is right or wrong, there is the real fact of the legitimization of manufactured TRUTH going on which translates into the mendacity of trivialization of the 'American People', whom people at the apex consider
multiethnic powerless rubbishy anyhow, de facto,
whereas the pinnacle unchangeingly, unflinchingly remain dedicated to that 1%, regardless of the theatrics of bi-partisanship.

It's all theatrics, and it's amusingly clear, that democracy as has been envisioned, is simply fodder
to historical/hysterical gyrations to the n-th power.

As power gets more concentrated, as capital gets more concentrated, the more this process will evolve into
the era of the non political era of individual faceless powerless reality shows.

There is no exit, since we have bracketed any and all solutions between the discrepancy of vision and thought of what power really means. It has ceased to have much relevance to will, since will can and has been bought out with all other commodities.

Trump is a clever opportunist, not to miss a beat, and in spite of and against any and all odd, he will prevail.

The he power of the material has captured any other possibility
, however, if Hishop Berkeley was right, then that which will defeat this seemingly impenetrable edifice,will be most like the thief n the night, coming in unseen, beguiling the sanity of those to whom reality has to consist of a visceral proof of reality.

This to those who think , the most obvious may turn to the least likely.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:28 am
by Meno_
Little league with my grandson

He dotes on m will be find out I am a fraud or, will j find I am like a derelict from Mash, and the spoof is almost a cute refrain to appease those whose survival guilt has become the better of them, or they just went out pretending they were gay.or, may be they didn't have to pretend. Think of a rationale to fight, or not to.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:07 pm
by Meno_
Referentiality I s the gate which if unearthed,can either further block progress toward a transcendence, or, it may actually further progress.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:21 pm
by MagsJ
jerkey wrote:Little league with my grandson

He dotes on m will be find out I am a fraud...

A fraud? over what? or you simply feel a fraud? if so.. why?

Why no confidence in yourself Jerkey? after all you and ILP have been through!


Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:18 am
by Meno_
MagsJ wrote:
jerkey wrote:Little league with my grandson

He dotes on m will be find out I am a fraud...

A fraud? over what? or you simply feel a fraud? if so.. why?

Why no confidence in yourself Jerkey? after all you and ILP have been through!



Because Magj, I used to feel I should have more, much more out of life, whereas nowadays I always think I never give enough. The fraud is not specific, it is a sudden repositioning of humility, over false claims. I used to go through this in various modes of anxiety, but now the pain is very much subsided: I can really be unafraid to cut out my drinking, and substitute marijuana pills. I went to a bar once a while ago, and met a guy, whose claim to fame as far as I could see, was that he has been going there since World War Two, when his dad used to own a hardware store there. I asked him if he sees differently things generally, has the place changed etcetera, and I could just imagine what it's like growing up and living a life in the same place for 50
Plus years. I never had more then 10 years in the same watering hole, and to my absolute horror found that that place has turned into a mortuary. At the time I went there, it was a place of shiny brass railings, the latest place to kick memories and indulge into the realm of the fantastic. But 50 years and still there? Kind of gave me the chill of how an environment can possess someone for a lifetime of not being able to dissassociate memories from the existent. My fraud consist in the fear of getting stuck in the past perfect, not realizing that it does have a meaning behind it and a purpose.

The specific fear is groundless, having to do with what my grandson may think of me once he grows up, that I can not in all honesty, sacrifice myself for a cause, for without it, I find it ridiculous, and rather devalue it, and call it, 'without the cause'.

In another life, I may measure up to a revolutionary poet, who was quoted to say, that, : ' I'd rather die young in a battle, than old in the comfort of my

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:38 pm
by Meno_
And dreary shrugging shoulders, tired innuendo, the crazies waiving longing for another yesteryear, thinking now for sure the paradox of being one among billions must have an upward take.

And besides irreverence rules

Relevant. Mind You Man,nerves of steal

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:47 am
by Meno_
Pray to a hidden god, the god of the little soul,
those who have journeyed far and wide away from here a very long time ago, and those coming from equally a far place, yet to come. The innocents like angels, never had a chance, they languished in hope eternal, they still do, and their passage like debts unpaid weight down the present moment as flickering diamonds.

Pray to that hidden god who made this production real, make it the work of those uninspired, and can't cross the barrier of that ultimate fear of not being themselves.

For those alone the recording must proceed as with the scratched RCA record in a shaded era. Too much in one hundred years went down, too threateningly obstructing the splendid veranda shaded by the blackened son, where our souls once were a one.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:26 am
by A Shieldmaiden
Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

You understand him? Amazing.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:37 pm
by Meno_
A Shieldmaiden wrote:
Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

You understand him? Amazing.

Understanding him in the sense of an intuitive apprehension. Regardless of how the very highest technology may diminish this sense, it is impossible to dismiss it completely, because their sources are identical.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:58 am
by Meno_
Yes, I do understand him, a thinker of the highest caliber, the transitional thinker, who dis gain extremely acute insight into the soul of repression. The repressed soul, is always misrepresented because the misrepresentation covers the failure of a general misunderstanding of an aphorism, so very far removed from the obvious.

And when it does, then it becomes cursed , it ceases to exist as an elixir of the gods, and turns into the poison of hell. And at a certain point, it can still be put back, where it belongs, but once that point passes, then, there is a heavy price to pay, especially those nay-Sayers who are the first ones to disclaim any responsibility.

Repression is bad, but irripression, unguided and uncontrolled, may take a vastly shorter time.

Democracy and its naive trust in the goodness of pundits, are to blame.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:56 pm
by Meno_

Starting from the idea of the atomistic and proceeding to the great differentiator's idea (Leibniz)
of monadism, this great dark night, came to me this darkness as gods embrace.

The conception between Cantor's two type of infinities is very important, from the point of view that without such difference, those ideas would have not come about, the word would never have evolved from the chaos which is inherent in the lack of faith-which resides in reductionism. The consciessness would never work, if not for that faithful leap into this realization. Reductionism in one type of infinity, which reduces extension into smaller and smaller segments, finally consisting of non extended ideas- or points which themselves have vanished into the nothingness , that nothingness is the infinite presumptions the ancients made.

That paradoxical conception, would not have been possible without an a priori differentiation, upheld until Kant-Leibniz , on religious ground.

Without the inherent differentiation, no consciessness. Ou,d have come about, the nothingness of being, would not have evolved above the level of basic perception. Some say that consciousness is all inclusive, with lower then human awareness, and there is no break, are wrong, consciousness had to be realized, for it to come about, it had to, and the question was whether it came about exogenidally, or naturally. The metaphors are profound, the garden, the forbidden fruit are written evidence of the idea of an effected consciously manifested progression toward a literal object a part of and from its orthogenesis.

The difference is being conflated by a reductionism mirrored within the temporal spatial field consisting of Sartre's reduction of being and existence, of being
Nothingness and Being. War did that. And created the possibility of the leap into supposed nothingness. But the leap was misguided, since intentionality, is similarly implanted into a genetic will for progression, to conceive a faith, a nothingness which is inherently positive, and believes the infinite possibility of a reduction toward zero, with a required absolute minimum, which does in fact after only a fateful implant-does finally imply the identity and the hiddenness of God. A God that does not have to be created, because It created Man.

This haphazard essay, kept me awake, in my darkest hour, but now, I do have complete faith, and belief in the negated absolute, which is sacrificial in nature, It is an inverted consvolusion, so that the aesthetic of life could be realized by It.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:14 am
by Meno_
The differance may have been intentional for Nietzche, literally, since he probably had a two pronged effort in intention, in the derivative sense and in the other, in the sense of poesy, of the irreducibly complex sense of open ended futuristic , prophetically real , far flung colloquialisms.

This last, was probably akin to what Khrishnamurti meant with his insistence on a non authoritive analysis of a deus ex machina tableau.

Simply, it is, it was, and it always will be is it always was-is-will be. It is a matter of an inherent but undesirable connection of the sense of the imminent, with that of the transcendent, of the conjoining of the literal with the figurative.

The sense of how to deal with an ambiguous figurative use, at once anchored in timelessness, and the here and now, is both determinative, and determined, that is why it is both a prosaic attempt at authorship as much as an appeal to authority. It is a Union of sorts, shifting meaning, prophecy, determinism, authorship, and intuition , simultaneously.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:08 am
by Meno_
Now the prophecy of at least a half a century duration is coming through. The third temple's resurrection in Jerusalem quite completes all the elements of that prophesy of Isaiah, and in that light can it be interpreted the actions of a political figure nearly exactly foreshadowed as the Antichrist.

Can something be done to prevent this catastrophe from becoming reality? Can the diabolo of the last years reverse course, for those to whom biblical prophesy is real?

If not, the be prepared for very turbulent times , even if God's message becomes a reality to be reckoned with.

The current generation does not remember the pre-millennium concerns, they are too far removed

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:08 pm
by Meno_
How interesting that ILP is showing to become a real microcosm of the greater United States. We are being torn, literally, by the very diversity which has been the standard, bearing torch of a world for hundreds of years!

Nationwide, political activists and moderates, are considering intra state splitting, to actually break up individual states. giving expression to the disenfranchised, unhappy parts, who feel that the creation of new states from previous ones, are the only remedies form what they feel are excluded.

Are the signs really show that the Union can hardly withstand the current level of federa/statel dissention? Is this the beginning of a constitutional problem not seen since the Civil War? Will there a time come in the proximatel future, when dire states will force the hand of those, who are unable now to conceive of anything but application of repression through denial? What makes this issue particularly poignant at the present time, is that th U.S. model is still in effect throughout the world, and it is no longer a worry over the state of the UNION , but the state of the world that's concerning.

Repressive tactics influence and are influenced by the same regressive populist movement known as anti-psychiatry, an outgrowth of a more general contradiction to thought: anti-philosophy. The reductive forces of any substantive thought is denied, and positively deconstructed by an appeal to positivist common sense philosophy, which, has been proved insufficient on its own face.

Its so ironic, that the very people pushing formal thinkers to the wall on basis of circular logic, and expose the inadequacy of positivism , fall victim as well to the same kind of obedience to the call of populism. But then they do not see the trap they are setting for themselves. They are caught without realizing their catch is themselves , hooked on a line on which they are the bait. Nietzche talked around this problem, and he was one of the greatest humorists of all times. 'that is why I write such wonderful books'

The light is beginning to glimmer through the cracks.

From Persian mystic poet : Rumi

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:29 pm
by Meno_
Now where have I heard of him before? Now I remember , Arc

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 7:34 pm
by Meno_
The Illiberal Liberal Retaking Liberalism, one progressive at a time

Nietzsche, Liberalism, and the Paradox of Choice
What Nietzche got wrong was that freedom is a thing the derives from boundaries.

One of Nietzsche’s core principles was based on the parable of the Three Metamorphoses of the Spirit: Camel-Lion-Child. The basic idea was that an individual lives duty-bound (the camel), only to come to question the purpose of duty forcing him to tear down the traditions that bound him to those duties (the lion), which opens up the possibility of seeking their full potential in a world without any traditions or boundaries (the child).

However, modern psychological research has shown repeatedly that the Paradox of Choice is a very real phenomenon in humans, which counterintuitively makes us less happy. When we have too many choices, we merely become confused and stressed, and more prone to making poor decisions. The key to reaching our full potential is knowing where the lines are, the boundaries. Filtering and screening out bad options, leaving less to choose from, but higher quality.

Thus it is not the lion that should follow the camel, but the fox. Clever and cunning, a fox’s approach. It is not recklessly tearing down all the boundaries and traditions (or “slaying the dragon” in Nietzsche’s terms), but carefully evaluating those boundaries based upon their own merit. Not all that is old is wrong.

Indeed, there is a reason traditions came about in the first place … they had utility.

And most of that utility was about establishing boundaries. For when we are free to do anything, we lack the focus, safety, and security to excel. Boundaries prevent other people from murdering us. They permit us to enjoy the fruits of our labor, without someone else later stealing them. To build communities and cities, without fear that later immigrants will move in and exploit our efforts. To focus on our strengths and opportunities, without being paralyzed by the Paradox of Choice.

All of these things give us the incentive, the freedom, to invest in ourselves and our communities. A freedom which derives from boundaries. That freedom, and the boundaries they derive from, are a hallmark of classic liberalism and liberal societies.

Recklessly tearing down boundaries and tradition, as Nietzsche argued (e.g. God is dead) is an affront to liberal principles. It ignores the realities of human nature, and the boundaries necessary to allow individuals to flourish in a liberal society. Boundaries which are often rooted in traditions.

It is not the Camel-Lion-Child paradox, but the Camel-Fox-Child, that is necessary to preserve the liberal ideal.

That is not to say traditions should never change or be discarded. Rather, that those changes should be the result of careful consideration of the consequences. Wise choices, over reckless deconstructionism.

It is no surprise that later post-Modernists like Sarte as well as a whole range of “rebels” from Fascists to Feminists, Progressives, and other cultural Marxists seized upon Nietzsche’s ideas. Nietzsche was a popular figure among those in the 20th and 21st century who would seek to tear down the old with little consideration for the consequences, or with perhaps unfettered optimism in their own utopian ideas.

Their problem, much like Nietzsche’s, was a poor understanding of where freedom comes from, the purpose of traditions, the Paradox of Choice, and the basic human nature behind individual endeavor. They were all the “lion” in various forms from Nietzsche’s paradigm. They destroyed, or at least sought to. And much like Nietzsche went crazy in the end (suffering a mental breakdown in 1889 and spending the last decade of his life insane), the result has arguably been a sort of “societal madness” … the ever-present growth of Outrage Culture.

It could be contended that Nietzsche tried to mitigate that reckless deconstructionism, in a way, with his concept of Ubermensch (a.k.a. the Nietzsche “superman” or overman). The idea was that only certain individuals would be able to transcend the normal rules of human behavior and society. Of course, Nietzsche failed to foresee the rise of rampant Narcissism and Egotism in Western society in the latter half of the 20th century and 21st century. In essence, we ALL now think we are Ubermensch. Special snowflakes, who feel entitled to cross any line. One might also suggest it was Nietzsche’s ideas themselves, through modern Feminists and Progressives and cultural Marxists, that actually brought about the narcissistic phenomena … unintended consequences perhaps, the seeds we sow.

Too many lions, not enough foxes. It is knowing where the line is, that sets us free as individuals to reach our highest potential. Freedom is a thing that derives from boundaries.

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9 Responses to Nietzsche, Liberalism, and the Paradox of Choice
Yoda says:
November 2, 2017 at 11:51 am
Almost as wise as I am you are

Yoda says:
November 2, 2017 at 11:57 am
Choose the Dark Side one should not

redpillgirlnotes says:
November 2, 2017 at 2:10 pm
So true. While many only see the limits and constrains ts of cultural and social boundaries, wishing to break free of them, they forget these social agreements evolved over many, many generations. While not perfect, they mostly reduced conflict and created a stable, peaceful society. Stealing led to bad things. Lying led to bad things. Adultery led to bad things. Murder led to bad things. And so on. These boundaries protect everyone, especially the weakest and most vulnerable, from harm. There’s a lot of room to color within those lines and craft one’s life, but coloring outside those lines creates conflict and the need for regulation by external powers, which is the opposite of freedom. Self regulation, being free while not encroaching on the freedoms of others in order to have it, leads to a free and functional society. Without an agreed upon set of basic ground rules freedom is lost, not gained.

It is interesting to me that Western society tends to collapse at its epoch every time. And as far as historic accounts go, it seems to be caused by individual freedom superscedding collective freedom. This leads to the collapse, as individual freedom cannot exist without the rights of all also being protected at the same time.

It’s the thinking that MY rights matter more that trouble begins…

redpillgirlnotes says:
November 2, 2017 at 2:12 pm
Or perhaps it’s better said not that MY rights matter more, but that MY rights are ALL that matters.

redpillgirlnotes says:
November 2, 2017 at 2:24 pm
For example, I have seen in real life how other people coloring outside the lines in business or in persist of personal financial gain leads to regulation of everyone. Ironically the ones who always played the rules are impacted and those who weren’t following the rules anyway don’t follow the new rules either. Of course enforcing existing rules on those truly coloring outside the lines somehow doesn’t seem to happen, rather more and more rules are made.

Not sure if I am explaining that right, but it’s going outside the bounds that leads to less freedoms for all, not more. And while I love the ideals of true libertarianism, there always seems to be those who can’t color inside the lines. Not sure what the solution is…

CopperFox3c says:
November 2, 2017 at 2:29 pm
@RedPillGirl … indeed, it is unfortunate that so many young people today do not pause and ask “why does this thing exist in the first place?” You shouldn’t destroy something unless you understand the underlying reason for its existence in the first place.

As we say over at the Red Pill subreddit: Learn the rules first. Understand them, and why they work. Only then can you prepared to know when and when not to break them.

Ame says:
November 2, 2017 at 8:21 pm
well thought out and written.

years ago when it first came out i read the book: Boundaries Updated and Expanded Edition: When to Say Yes, How to Say No To Take Control of Your Life by Cloud and Townsend. it was truly liberating for me as a person and as a Christian. God has very defined boundaries – who He is, who He is not; what He will and will not allow; what He expects and consequences for our choices. and He always remains within the boundaries He has set for Himself and all of His creation. it always amazes me that we humans, the created, think we know more than the Creator.

i’m often reminded of these verses in Job 38:
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;
9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;
10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors;
11 When I said,
‘This far you may come, but no farther,
And here your proud waves must stop!’

God continues through chapter 40 verses 1 and 2 where He, God, says:

Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said:

2 “Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him?
He who rebukes God, let him answer it.”

Job wisely answers:

3 Then Job answered the Lord and said:

4 “Behold, I am vile;
What shall I answer You?
I lay my hand over my mouth.
5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer;
Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further.”

what’s interesting about this is that God is responding to Job’s (whining) exhortation of himself in chapters 26-31 where he extols his own virtues. he *was* a good man who had done a *lot* of good things, including loving and honoring God. so, as he whined, what did he do to deserve this that God had allowed?

i find it intriguing that God allowed Job to work through all of this. it’s human. we all would do/have done the same. the process always intrigues me.

anyway … even evil has its boundaries (Job 1:6-12; Job 2:1-7), and Satan being the ultimate deceiver has effectively brainwashed this culture (and many in all of history beginning with Eve) into believing there should be no boundaries, that boundaries are confining and prevent one from truly expressing and fulfilling all they are and are meant to be in whatever ways they deem to be best at any given time for no other reason than because they want to or feel it to be best. we are deluded in the lies we choose to believe.

RichardP says:
November 3, 2017 at 2:51 am
An adequate response to the subjects raised in this post would result in a book or three. Instead, I’ll offer a few thoughts.

I’m told that Nietzsche’s father died when he was a four-year-old boy. Wikipedia contains this quote “… and [Nietzsche] became increasingly preoccupied with the creative powers of the individual to overcome social, cultural, and moral contexts in pursuit of new values and aesthetic health.”

The creative powers of the individual to overcome … to recreate or create again after having cast off the old ways of thinking (those old ways that hold us back, those old ways that keep insisting that the dead stay dead). Perhaps one could ultimately become creative enough to bring one’s long-lost father back to life …

Grief is profound, and alters one’s life in ways that those unacquainted with grief can never understand. That is as true for Nietzsche as it is for everybody who passes through an event that triggers grief. (My mother died from a ruptured brain aneurysm when I was born. My father remarried and had other children. At a family gathering when I was middle aged, my aunt whispered in my ear ‘he never recovered you know’ while we both listened to my father tell a story. That one simple line put so many things into perspective for me. While I always suspected that, her words made it real for me.)

From that perspective, I found these two articles to be compelling. The comments section is even more so. I know some of the ladies commenting here have had grief-inducing experiences of their own – so take this as a trigger warning. You might find something useful here. But you also might get triggered, so proceed in a prepared manner.

What’s with these dark woods

Trauma and Human Existance

More specifically about the OP – we don’t respond to what is; we respond to what is perceived. When our ability to perceive is limited, we won’t perceive many choices available to us. We can cut out mountains of philosophy if we limit ourselves to that simple reality. Choices beyond our ability to perceive them do us no good. Being forced to decide about something we cannot perceive will create frustration beyond measure.

Boundaries that limit choices to what can be perceived are a good thing. Unfortunately, many people cannot perceive that truth, and proceed to tear down things they will never understand. It is society’s responsibility to provide a defense against that. Ones that do, survive.

CopperFox3c says:
November 3, 2017 at 9:27 am
@Ame … I am not a religious man myself, but I have always thought it was intriguing how people starting from very different points can come to similar philosophical conclusions.

@Richard … agree I think there is something to be said about “illusionary choices” in the modern world. Social media is a perfect example – it is not real socialization, nor are most of those people on there “your friends”.

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Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 7:41 pm
by Meno_
Was it not part of the secret black art of truly grand politics of revenge, of a farseeing, subterranean, slowly advancing, and premeditated revenge, that Israel must itself deny the real instrument of its revenge before all the world as a mortal enemy and nail it to the cross, so that 'all the world,' namely all the opponents of Israel, could unhesitatingly swallow just this bait? And could spiritual subtlety imagine any more dangerous bait than this? Anything to equal the enticing, intoxicating, overwhelming, and undermining power of that symbol of the 'holy cross,' that ghastly paradox of a 'God on the cross,' that mystery of an unimaginable ultimate cruelty and self-crucifixion of God for the salvation of man?
Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals / Ecce Homo

Now , is it feasable in light of the above, to accept this as part of a predetermined Natural ascendancy?

Or , can this bifulcrate ascendancy and descendancy, in a teeter totter result of process in which consciousness It's self could not have ever begun separation from the Dream?
Is it in this sense that we become knowledgeable over but not under and beyond that difference ?

Are evil supposed to expurgate , thus, through the archaic demons and gods?

Can a dream turn into a nightmare from which no exit is possible?

But must return into it's paradisical innoscence? Yes.

They do not know. Of what ?

Of something determined from pressures from within and without to be able to identify that which defines a people gifted toward occupying a homeland5, where the only derivitive has been suppression and slavery?

Where self identification has always been a measure of slavery, of apperant genetic weakness, inviting compensation.

Where sacrifice of being overcome by any measure of existential strife? Even at the cost of deception?

Especially when god has come from two venues, and has always demanded sacrifice, when compressed to define his being?

Did Christ understand this? And hope a kingdom of extrinsic being can over come his interiority ?

If he had , did it help a future internationalism, or work against it?

I am afraid the short term may not disclose that, if it is measured in a few years, but with singularity approaching within decades to be sure. It's that we have become too impatient

It is because of the collusive nature of Chistianity as a means of survival against the verbatim structural credibility of a god immersed in Gnosticism, that either the new King had to be elevated, or a hero had to be sacrificed. This was a collision course between archaic credibility immersed in slavery of classless animonity, OR, a continuation of communal identity sacrifice.

So much for Nietzche's short circuited semiology..

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:16 pm
by Meno_
Kundalini: the building of immunity against deceipt.

"Western thinkers with possibly awakened kundalini - I for one, have likened many thinkers to an awakened kundalini gone awry. Nietzsche, for example. Most of his symbolism especially in 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' comes across as an unmistakable symbolism for kundalini."

This yet unknown observation may alleviate the idea that an enlightened person, may, out his curative practices to the world, yet deplete his own sense of balance.

The black sun, is not caused of an external source, either, reversely, it is the interior lack of light which causes the depletion of energy.
Crawley, Mesmer, Freud , Reich may have been misguided on this.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:25 am
by promethean75
Nothin wrong with cunnilingus. a little cunnilingus ain't never hurt nobody.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:26 am
by Meno_
promethean75 wrote:Nothin wrong with cunnilingus. a little cunnilingus ain't never hurt nobody.

Yeah, a little not, but it may be her fault of lack of psychological depth to underappreciated that quality should make up for quantity.
In case You may be wondering about the cliche of the bigger better analogy , let me tell You, women at times lack depth to over come the distinction.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:30 am
by Meno_
A lot of optically deficient guys fall for it, and suffer qualitative deriliction, on account of it.

Re: Nervous in spite of understanding Mr. Nietzche

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:41 pm
by Meno_
Meno_ wrote:A lot of optically deficient guys fall for it, and suffer qualitative deriliction, on account of it.

Or, reversely , nominally, most joyfully partake of quantitative dereliction.

The few, who can remain unaffected, or affected, may be able to navigate, without hitting an obstacle like Nietzche did, bless His Soul!