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Postby Ichthus77 » Fri May 14, 2021 8:45 pm

Sometimes I feel like I’m doing internal space exploration. There’s a lot to be discovered “out there” and where no man has gone before in the depths of the sea — and the self — “in here”! I learn new stuff all the time about nature (see elephant boobs post further down my wall for a recent example), but ...

The self that transcends nature also transcends its depths and heights. What you find when you explore (inter)subjectivity (The Neighbor, if you will... yourself) is even more mind blowing. FOR EXAMPLE...

Some are deathly afraid to challenge their beliefs. It gives them existential dread rivaling any fear of heights or spider imaginable.

But peer over this edge over here with me... just a little... You’ll be okay... ❤️ We’re standing between a BIG HAIRY SPIDER and abysmal nothingness... we have nowhere else to go... but see my eyes... I’m not scared.... we’re okay, here... for now...

If you ground moral truth in God’s goodness, you worry (rightly!) all will be permitted if there is no God/ground. If you ever doubt God’s existence, you begin to feel the world slipping out from under your feet, as if you are falling from a great height. Don’t worry. We’re still here safely on the edge.

Scientists (of a materialist or naturalist bent, anyway) would dismiss God as an unnecessary hypothesis and have you fill the void with values grounded in nature (stay close!!! BIG HAIRY SPIDER!!!), whereas philosophers (of a similar bent, but ...they feel... a more coherent one) would take your dread seriously...but then have you creatively fill the void with values of your choosing (granted... they would put the weight of the whole world on that choosing...) (watch out!!!!! there’s a whole lotta NOTHIN down there!!!! ECHO ECHO echo echo ...).

Now... what do you see as we stand on this precipice together, between the BIG HAIRY SPIDER and abysmal nothingness? You don’t see the ground. But don’t worry. We ain’t goin anywhere. Stay with me here a bit longer. I won’t push you in either direction.

Suppose... maybe... [ watch this space ]
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Postby Meno_ » Sat May 15, 2021 12:05 am

Ichthus wrote:Sometimes I feel like I’m doing internal space exploration. There’s a lot to be discovered “out there” and where no man has gone before in the depths of the sea — and the self — “in here”! I learn new stuff all the time about nature (see elephant boobs post further down my wall for a recent example), but ...

The self that transcends nature also transcends its depths and heights. What you find when you explore (inter)subjectivity (The Neighbor, if you will... yourself) is even more mind blowing. FOR EXAMPLE...

Some are deathly afraid to challenge their beliefs. It gives them existential dread rivaling any fear of heights or spider imaginable.

But peer over this edge over here with me... just a little... You’ll be okay... ❤️ We’re standing between a BIG HAIRY SPIDER and abysmal nothingness... we have nowhere else to go... but see my eyes... I’m not scared.... we’re okay, here... for now...

If you ground moral truth in God’s goodness, you worry (rightly!) all will be permitted if there is no God/ground. If you ever doubt God’s existence, you begin to feel the world slipping out from under your feet, as if you are falling from a great height. Don’t worry. We’re still here safely on the edge.

Scientists (of a materialist or naturalist bent, anyway) would dismiss God as an unnecessary hypothesis and have you fill the void with values grounded in nature (stay close!!! BIG HAIRY SPIDER!!!), whereas philosophers (of a similar bent, but ...they feel... a more coherent one) would take your dread seriously...but then have you creatively fill the void with values of your choosing (granted... they would put the weight of the whole world on that choosing...) (watch out!!!!! there’s a whole lotta NOTHIN down there!!!! ECHO ECHO echo echo ...).

Now... what do you see as we stand on this precipice together, between the BIG HAIRY SPIDER and abysmal nothingness? You don’t see the ground. But don’t worry. We ain’t goin anywhere. Stay with me here a bit longer. I won’t push you in either direction.


But what if, that spider were You in a before or after life and someone falling headlong down into the abyss were to step on You after the fall?


Suppose... maybe... [ watch this space ]



So close to home where all serious travelers warn not to try to return, but when Ol'Nick took Christ up, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up and promised him the world in that soon to be forgotten bargain, well, then one can not even find it seriously in Webster's, cause such is the cores broadness of degraded memory.

And as things go on in this or that spacial equivolant, the less to memory it registers. while that warning signs are all there. the better for the epithet:


"Ignorance is bliss"

You go too close to the fire, you simply get burned as a heretic or a witch.

But there aren't any of those nowdays. they get branded which is just as searing hot. .
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am

But what if, that spider were You in a before or after life and someone falling headlong down into the abyss were to step on You after the fall?


Don’t add junk to the OP that was never there, gangsta.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am

This reminds me of the ocean sized bottle snafu lolz. Anywhayz. I apologize if an apology is still needed, but I am grateful for the times I needed squashing. If I read too far in... you started it.
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Postby Meno_ » Sat May 15, 2021 4:07 am

Ichthus wrote:This reminds me of the ocean sized bottle snafu lolz. Anywhayz. I apologize if an apology is still needed, but I am grateful for the times I needed squashing. If I read too far in... you started it.




Me too, & although we conversed prior, there is an odd no holds barred, unafraid developing very from inside to out . - me, so the point is unnecessary.

Glad to hold on to the friezes of conventional wisdom
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 15, 2021 4:51 am

I commend your attempts to mangle language while demonstrating you’d rather mangle than endure silence. I just like to mess with it as long as still comprehensible. If it isn’t, and if someone wants to comprehend, they will ask. Assuming they know they don’t know. You know. And I don’t want to ask if you don’t want to be understood. Do you? If not, then it’s probably none of my business. In which case, I hear you as much as you want me to. If I don’t... say what you need to say. Thought it had been said. I hope you are well.
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Postby Meno_ » Sat May 15, 2021 8:07 am

Thanks. I am dredging the limits to the conventional and my excuse is the disassociation and cut off meaning from a partially derived convention starting with James Joyce.



I am freely flowing, and although placing the butdon to You my reader to make sense, I am ultimately I am trying really hard to be understood
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 15, 2021 4:04 pm

And how’s that working out for ya?
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Postby Meno_ » Sat May 15, 2021 4:16 pm

Ichthus wrote:And how’s that working out for ya?




It appears at first glance thats how it goes. for Me, but it's not so....but then nothing is gained and nothing lost.


I guess breaking even could be said to be fortunate
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sun May 16, 2021 1:20 am

I’m sure I don’t know what you mean/intend, or how fortune is measured here. In any case, I hear Gestalt is all the rage, and sometimes we see things we didn’t notice the first time we looked. Or even the second. I wish you well.
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Postby Meno_ » Sun May 16, 2021 7:20 pm

It is fortunate that there are those who have always dredged the limitless but, it is risky and at times dangerous to go into the very limits of a yet to be defined underworld, with the recurrent question of : whether some Thing is pushing such travel, or, it has always been an intentional effect.

But then to some such questions are neither conditional , meaningful or relevent.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 17, 2021 5:14 am

Truth always withstands the fires of reason. Anyway... I just got done watching The Map of Tiny Perfect Things. So good.

But (back) by the way. Whenever I read the existentialists who say we would carry-on with our value finding and meaning creating just the same whether or not God exists... I have to laugh. It’s no wonder they converted before death.

Even Nietzsche acknowledged the hunger. I bet that horse bore the full weight of the sudden insight that connected the dots.

I’m entering finals week & start back to work full time the week after. Gotta save for my trip out to see my first grandchild in July.

I have two tests and a paper to write.

Be well.
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Postby Meno_ » Mon May 17, 2021 5:22 am

Thanks, wish You likewise.
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Postby Meno_ » Sun May 23, 2021 2:12 am

Ichthus wrote:Truth always withstands the fires of reason. Anyway... I just got done watching The Map of Tiny Perfect Things. So good.

But (back) by the way. Whenever I read the existentialists who say we would carry-on with our value finding and meaning creating just the same whether or not God exists... I have to laugh. It’s no wonder they converted before death.

Even Nietzsche acknowledged the hunger. I bet that horse bore the full weight of the sudden insight that connected the dots.

I’m entering finals week & start back to work full time the week after. Gotta save for my trip out to see my first grandchild in July.

I have two tests and a paper to write.

Be well.





Oh, here is something Ichtus:





"“It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.”

-- Joseph Campbell
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:25 am

hm. the weirdness of things that are weird.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:30 pm

Meno_ wrote:It is fortunate that there are those who have always dredged the limitless but, it is risky and at times dangerous to go into the very limits of a yet to be defined underworld, with the recurrent question of : whether some Thing is pushing such travel, or, it has always been an intentional effect.

But then to some such questions are neither conditional , meaningful or relevent.


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Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:35 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:I commend your attempts to mangle language while demonstrating you’d rather mangle than endure silence. I just like to mess with it as long as still comprehensible. If it isn’t, and if someone wants to comprehend, they will ask. Assuming they know they don’t know. You know. And I don’t want to ask if you don’t want to be understood. Do you? If not, then it’s probably none of my business. In which case, I hear you as much as you want me to. If I don’t... say what you need to say. Thought it had been said. I hope you are well.


…uhm.

hm.
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Postby Meno_ » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:22 am

Looking at this can not think how much descent occurred since, literally AND otherwise.

Not falling into the tragic ' victim' mode, and with a certain kind of guarded self assuring slap to the back I can say that holding up quite better then thought, into the venturesome territory that exists underground ; in spite of tragic family occurances.

Job has become am exemplar, and so did Thoas Mann, of offering some brace where the back may have suffered by the slap

I am watching this and other spaces, some furtively, some not so in an effort to go in the usual direction of memory's wastebasket.

But I am going to resume the pot, that those who can refrain some such material around the hole that reminds them of something, something missing, dark and vacuous , like a kitty cat circling around a bowl of milk, and then go out and pick forgetme nots.

Springtime weather around here with temperatures in the high 80's and low 90's is the muse that could be rekindled with periodic dips into the pot filled with classical gas.

Unless the idiot goes to Russia lnext year; bankrupt and all with fear that some happening will happen like the time before, with the circle dance exhibition in a boat on the Danube, too much booze right behind the folk dance person.
But what happened next surprised me more then those privileged to witness it.

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Postby Meno_ » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:26 am

It became a memorable polish csardas exercise in a blue Danube abrogated some Strauss would have wanted to dual somebody.

Even the gypsy kings were em bare assed.. Boy crazy is a gross understatement, course it was pathetic and misaligned.

Remembrances of nightmares passed ( up)
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Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:15 am

Everything is weird when I wish it was plain.
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Postby Meno_ » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:53 pm

and contrary with weird translated to 'remarkably diffuse'


To sidetrack the 'kids'.
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Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:55 pm

Meno,

I always loved that below quote by Joseph Campbell. I suppose that we just need to actually reflect on what that treasure is.

“It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.”
-- Joseph Campbell


I love Rumi. He said “the wound is the place where the light gets in”. We need to allow ourselves to experience it, to touch it, to grieve over it, to accept that darkness before we can open ourselves to that healing light.”

Anaïs Nin said: “And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.”
There is pain and struggle even in "blossoming" - "pushing out" as it were.

That gives me the shivers. I always know when something is "real" for me - I get the shivers. lol

They are all profound thoughts.
BE MELTING SNOW. WASH YOURSELF OF YOURSELF.

YOU WANDER FROM ROOM TO ROOM
HUNTING FOR THE DIAMOND NECKLACE
THAT IS ALREADY AROUND YOUR NECK!

DANCE UNTIL YOU SHATTER YOURSELF!

THERE IS A VOICE THAT DOESN'T USE WORDS. LISTEN!

LIFE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN HOLDING ON AND LETTING GO!

LET SILENCE TAKE YOU TO THE CORE OF LIFE!
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:31 pm

In the spirit of Kierkegaard (I’m so sorry...)…

Sometimes….

when you’re feeling pressure…

…where the sun does not shine…

*ahem* (please excuse me, I am compelled)

it’s just a…

four letter word

that rhymes

with art

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Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:06 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:Meno,

I always loved that below quote by Joseph Campbell. I suppose that we just need to actually reflect on what that treasure is.

“It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.”
-- Joseph Campbell


I love Rumi. He said “the wound is the place where the light gets in”. We need to allow ourselves to experience it, to touch it, to grieve over it, to accept that darkness before we can open ourselves to that healing light.”

Anaïs Nin said: “And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.”
There is pain and struggle even in "blossoming" - "pushing out" as it were.

That gives me the shivers. I always know when something is "real" for me - I get the shivers. lol

They are all profound thoughts.





Indeed , the cold is what is beyond apprehension, as so contrary to the expected warmth.

Cold is an absence of heat as darkness is an absence of light.

There is a consolation in the silver lining that is as pernicious as it has a Balmic effect.


Consciously morphed .it offers an internal soothing that limits the pain beyond a certain point, just as extensively as induced through chemical enhancers. One is natural; the other artificial and both effect identical synapses

Meditation offers a starting point.

The blossom of the tare flower, the lilac , blooming only once a year in April, gives that sense.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:23 pm

Descartes #31 (Principles of Philosophy) should be a cologne or perfume that is whispered in commercials.

Information is marks/stamps made in substance by either thinking or corporeal substance. When the marks are too improbable to be made by corporeal substance, thinking substance is inferred/deduced. A sort of Turing test.

They do require God’s concurrence to exist (it is not an existential negation). But if they are in error, that is on us (it is a privation/defect in us, not him—that is the death sin brings). Still, he can turn it all back to Good (un-negate the privation … use it for fertilizer to grow beautiful souls). Nothing is ever wasted.

But growth requires death, and is painful.
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