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Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:41 pm

Woke up with this. Still feels fuzzy. Is it close? Blended notes of Hegel, Levinas, Merleau-Ponty… perhaps some Kierkegaard…

According to some: The way God “gets himself back” (returns to himself) is when he sees himself in us — loving others/himself as he loves us. “I never knew you” means I never recognized myself (my image) in you. You never accepted me. We are made in his image because we were made capable of accepting and reflecting him.

We can never make accepting and reflecting happen alone. That’s why he died in our place and commanded us to do likewise for each other. That’s the only way he/we can put his spirit into his/our creation so he can recognize himself in it. But faith without works is evidence his love is not in us. If we accept his love/spirit, we will reflect it. Only he can judge where we are at with that. He knows how much light we have to work with - he knows where we are at in our story - he knew/knows us complete at the beginning.

He is not learning about himself. He is not narcissistic. It is just that love is not love without demonstration, and it must be given and accepted freely.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Parodites » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:32 pm

The etymology behind certain names of the Abrahamic god indicate "unfathomable melancholy", the presence of a melancholic dimension haunting Being itself. Indeed he is no narcissist that he would ask us to return his love: that love is an expression of the paradoxical One, the One denied to itself, which generates multiplicity. God is the painful longing that weighs down every flower with drops of rain and dew in its desperation for the Sun, it is a melancholy radiated in the entire order of Nature, in all of this multiplicity of matter.

True ethos is constituted by so many dechirures ethicques or 'ethical tears' wrought by 'the movement of Being in the fixity of essences', reversing the primacy of Kantian transcendental synthesis, or, in Hegelian language, that of essence over existence, re-submerging Being in the shadow of its 'missing Totality' or absconditus, ie. the pure negation left behind (occupying the "melancholic dimension" of 'a separation internal to the paradoxical One') in the wake of all dialectical exchanges,- exchanges which, unlike those of the Hegelian system, stand in their contortive eternity as unresolvable agonisms between vocal pluralities, [Andrew Gibson on Christian Jambert. See: "The Concept of Historical Reason in Recent French Philosophy"; Intermittency, p. 130.] as eternal recurrences, not of Nietzsche's interpretative assemblages of active-passive drives, but of the singularity of the One denied to itself, of the Monon denied by the Mone, of the One denied by the Remainder. This, the impossibility of God's returning to himself, (a continual withdraw from himself which we experience asymmetrically, namely as the flow of time toward an indefinite future, an empty continuum that swallows up all existence as so many "partial lights", citing Valery) which Schelling calls the "Remainder", the dark Un-Grund of Being, the burial of the primal Will in matter, the 'divine unconscious' or God's forgetting of himself through the creation of the World, etc. is his love; a melancholic dimension occupied by messianic revelation and the portent of a missing Totality that promises to rebind multiplicity together. Our love, however, (on the other side of this melancholy, on the rational or philosophical side of the paradox, counter-posing revelation and messianic consciousness, which exists on the other) which we return to him, is just that; our re-submerging Being in the shadow of its own missing Totality, expressing these 'ethical tears' that prevent Multiplicity from returning to the One, that prevent the individual souls of men from returning to God. In this way, the tragic sense of life is fully realized, which is an ultimate teaching of Christian ethics. The Greeks did not know tragedy. The eternal return of the self to itself in the wheel of change and multiplicity is an inversion of the eternal self-separation of a God who cannot return to himself in the Unity of the One; this reciprocation is the great aporia of philosophy, of the shadow of Being's missing Totality.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:57 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Woke up with this. Still feels fuzzy. Is it close? Blended notes of Hegel, Levinas, Merleau-Ponty… perhaps some Kierkegaard…

According to some: The way God “gets himself back” (returns to himself) is when he sees himself in us — loving others/himself as he loves us. “I never knew you” means I never recognized myself (my image) in you. You never accepted me. We are made in his image because we were made capable of accepting and reflecting him.

We can never make accepting and reflecting happen alone. That’s why he died in our place and commanded us to do likewise for each other. That’s the only way he/we can put his spirit into his/our creation so he can recognize himself in it. But faith without works is evidence his love is not in us. If we accept his love/spirit, we will reflect it. Only he can judge where we are at with that. He knows how much light we have to work with - he knows where we are at in our story - he knew/knows us complete at the beginning.

He is not learning about himself. He is not narcissistic. It is just that love is not love without demonstration, and it must be given and accepted freely.


disastrous for people who believe in the demiurge or deify someone/something that is not God

… if they are given power.

Reset button incarnate right there.

Parodites: Read “Eternity in Their Hearts” by Don Richardson. Yesterday.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:52 pm

All I can comment at this point is a close association to transcendence to transparence as in the self thought man .

But so much books so little time in it's self inducement.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:12 pm

All I can say is…

They lie. They'll even try to say Moses' "I AM" is Egypt's "Thoth" which for Greeks/Romans is Hermes/Mercury -- no -- "I AM" rescued -- brought Israel out of -- all that!! To believe that is to return to slavery.

There is truth in everything that speaks to the soul, but you have to sift true from false or you'll accept a Trojan horse (hides lies inside it).
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:23 pm

Look.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:13 pm

Your close but not close enough, or, rather , the closer you get the the more encumbered or for want of crypto- nihilism.?.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:35 am

But then again lies there are lies and there are lies. Most lies if not all are revisionistic, the play orestes publicly , manically tries to accede to the constant devolving of above, merging and interpenetrating with the below: where above entails the now fading familial with the similar, and as they interpenetrate, a new simulate results from the original schism that betook christendom, between Iraneus and tertullian, a new agnostic crisis, that the old only reacts to, but may a death toll be to the young.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:17 am

Ichthus77 wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Woke up with this. Still feels fuzzy. Is it close? Blended notes of Hegel, Levinas, Merleau-Ponty… perhaps some Kierkegaard…

According to some: The way God “gets himself back” (returns to himself) is when he sees himself in us — loving others/himself as he loves us. “I never knew you” means I never recognized myself (my image) in you. You never accepted me. We are made in his image because we were made capable of accepting and reflecting him.

We can never make accepting and reflecting happen alone. That’s why he died in our place and commanded us to do likewise for each other. That’s the only way he/we can put his spirit into his/our creation so he can recognize himself in it. But faith without works is evidence his love is not in us. If we accept his love/spirit, we will reflect it. Only he can judge where we are at with that. He knows how much light we have to work with - he knows where we are at in our story - he knew/knows us complete at the beginning.

He is not learning about himself. He is not narcissistic. It is just that love is not love without demonstration, and it must be given and accepted freely.


disastrous for people who believe in the demiurge or deify someone/something that is not God

… if they are given power.

Reset button incarnate right there.

Parodites: Read “Eternity in Their Hearts” by Don Richardson. Yesterday.





And to come back Into himself, he has to crucify himself, again.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:24 am

If every moment is actual the Son is doing this eternally. If only now is actual the Son is doing this in his mind eternally. But can he pose a non-actual hyperthetical? Either way it all resolves back to the Father. In him we live, move, have our being. The three spheres. Heart, mind, strength. Three spheres again. Sobering indeed.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:18 pm

He is trying to pose as if his mind and the other than were not mere hypotheticals.


But knowing this should perhaps be expressed in a different way.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:32 pm

“I love you” could not be said a better way.

Cheesy Christian music lyric. Kierkegaard said it better.

Do we? Obv easier said than done.

Show of right hand if your left hand does not know what the other is doing? LOL ok bye
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:26 pm

Should’ve posted this in the religion forum.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby felix dakat » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:59 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Woke up with this. Still feels fuzzy. Is it close? Blended notes of Hegel, Levinas, Merleau-Ponty… perhaps some Kierkegaard…

According to some: The way God “gets himself back” (returns to himself) is when he sees himself in us — loving others/himself as he loves us. “I never knew you” means I never recognized myself (my image) in you. You never accepted me. We are made in his image because we were made capable of accepting and reflecting him.

We can never make accepting and reflecting happen alone. That’s why he died in our place and commanded us to do likewise for each other. That’s the only way he/we can put his spirit into his/our creation so he can recognize himself in it. But faith without works is evidence his love is not in us. If we accept his love/spirit, we will reflect it. Only he can judge where we are at with that. He knows how much light we have to work with - he knows where we are at in our story - he knew/knows us complete at the beginning.

He is not learning about himself. He is not narcissistic. It is just that love is not love without demonstration, and it must be given and accepted freely.


Strict-but-merciful father-knows-best theism?
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:52 pm

Strict? If you mean the definition of perfection doesn’t change, sure. He has a backbone.

Otherwise mercy would be absolutely meaningless, wouldn’t it?

His perfection includes being merciful. Matthew 4:58, Luke 6:36.

And… sure… a perfect, merciful, omni-yada yada Father knows best.

Respect.

If you’re trying to approach gender issues, may we please do that in a different thread? For me, it will have to wait.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:06 pm

Let's take a different approach,l.

How are we to generate moral principles which can conform to the novel one that is able to at once confirm to an ethical platform; at once available and utilized globally?

That kind of closeness will narrow the gap, and all walks of life will be able to put a universal intelligence to test, wether coming from an authentic or simulated intention to do so.

This will require a dramatic second over valuation , starting from the cigito, through the deconstruction and through it, finally arriving a transitory and lasting closure that will appear to work on a universal scale, passing all tests of credibility . The manifold increase in the use of artificial intelligence will be required, to reconstrucy the most remote with the recent forms of configurations.

It's not a matter that should be achieved, but one that has to for time is of the very heart of the essence at this juncture in the world today.

You are close, yes but need to get a lot closer .The image is of yet fuzzy, and perfect clarity, without a shadow ( of doubt) is required to reconstruct a badly violated soul.

If not done, mere phobias can aggravate the internal faults, fissures which have been left dormant for so ever long,will break up into myriad particles and which's dormancy, that translates into optical illusions turn delusionary. The mirror through darkly must be cleaned up to crystal clarity ; beyond a shadow of doubt. Colored patches can be converted and summoned upon stalwart horses which have served well in the marketplace of idols, but they ran their course and frankly: the closeness required need to appear out of the myth of our fatherswho still are saddled at through only one side of the market.Their beating must stop as a daily occurance. A Madonna out of the sea of magic, a final and all embracing miracle to reclaim the child.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:32 pm

Cheesy? Right, but the material girl as an anti-heroine is beyond conception a contradiction in terms, even as an anti heroenne. Or take will smith; another fragment of what entertainment should not consist of. The bizarre bazaar of flagallating purity and we get kids who not only want to forget ever having been borne; but erase all signs of where they came from to relieve their guilt, a guilt that's predated their very guilty existence.They were born in guilt, they were fornication to a damnation Faust had to deal a trick, and even that didn't fool anyone. So every day they have to renegotiate, yes with the goat, do to his bidding like in the manner of wearing masks and constant hand washing.

Even micro organisms feel the heat and become opportunistic, either that or they will triumph through their metaphysical- nuclear c ounterpart within their own families.

That's how through for the kids today, video gaming their life away rather literally facing the cogito redux.
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Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:39 pm

Even Elan Musk, considered to be the greatest genius around by Mr.Trump, promotes travel of other outer realms through ingenious feats, downplaying a cosmic imtellugence; at the very least demeaning the interpsychic internally organized galaxies within our own mind; a machine much too much of a coincidence to it's simulation to leave to outer reals to discover.

So let's preoterize even to the call of a genie, to set things to perspective.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:00 pm

First we learn normal. Then something outside normal makes us question normal. (Who told you you were naked?) We perceive things are not as they should be. We feel responsible for our part of that, and want to fix it. We ask what normal should be. We work toward that normal.

Normal (supernatural) is treating the other as self. There are a lot of ways that can play out. Just work it out until most/all stakeholders (enemies/competitors included) are in genuine agreement.

It is a salve that will heal all spiritual wounds the more & more consistently it is applied, including those like ptsd, anxiety, depression.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:03 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:First we learn normal. Then something outside normal makes us question normal. (Who told you you were naked?) We perceive things are not as they should be. We feel responsible for our part of that, and want to fix it. We ask what normal should be. We work toward that normal.

Normal (supernatural) is treating the other as self. There are a lot of ways that can play out. Just work it out until most/all stakeholders (enemies/competitors included) are in genuine agreement.

It is a salve that will heal all spiritual wounds the more & more consistently it is applied, including those like ptsd, anxiety, depression.



Yes but the trend is toward the other way. Supra ambigious.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:08 pm

Apply more salve. Immerse yourself.

Even if you know it will hurt.

You are loved.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:13 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Apply more salve. Immerse yourself.

Even if you know it will hurt.

You are loved.



I agree, this time absolutely.However, there is always room for getting a closer image; without breaking aesthetic rules.

But at the rate things are changing, one never knows.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:14 pm

Apply it to what it referred.
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:03 pm

Yes, that's the hard part like an elephant in an enormous room
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Re: image (am i close?)

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:05 pm

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I love you” could not be said a better way.


What better way are you referring to?
BE MELTING SNOW. WASH YOURSELF OF YOURSELF.

YOU WANDER FROM ROOM TO ROOM
HUNTING FOR THE DIAMOND NECKLACE
THAT IS ALREADY AROUND YOUR NECK!

DANCE UNTIL YOU SHATTER YOURSELF!

THERE IS A VOICE THAT DOESN'T USE WORDS. LISTEN!

LIFE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN HOLDING ON AND LETTING GO!

LET SILENCE TAKE YOU TO THE CORE OF LIFE!
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