the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:30 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Look what I found:




You're not being ironic, are you? :o

She's like a caricature of a cartoon character Randroid.

Oh, and [of course] she's a Kid. :wink:

So, have you nailed her yet?
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:31 pm

But isn't objectivist someone who thinks he's better than everyone else?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:01 pm

Is that a silence I am hearing?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:36 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Is that a silence I am hearing?


Note to myself: Move on to others. :obscene-tolietclaw:
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:56 pm

You are refusing to answer simple questions.

The video claims that objectivists are herd-like. How is that the same as alpha-man-like?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Lev Muishkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:31 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:You are refusing to answer simple questions.

The video claims that objectivists are herd-like. How is that the same as alpha-man-like?


An objective notion is only so, because the majority accept it as true regardless of their own opinion. Thus objectivism is a complete denial of the individual, and personal views. To be an objectivist is to FOLLOW the received wisdom: the wisdom of the priest, the king or tyrant. Ae these what you refer to as "alpha-men". The men that own you?


An objective statement is perfectly okay for matters of scientific interest, but when it comes to culturally and morally mediated assertions pur objectivity is absurd.

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
"The Holocaust was the fault of the Jews; The Holocaust was not genocide", Kriswest
"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Lev Muishkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:35 pm

The girl in the video is just like any other religious acolyte.
She's a follower, and that is all objectivists are: followers of someone else's view of objectivity.

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
"The Holocaust was the fault of the Jews; The Holocaust was not genocide", Kriswest
"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
These just keep getting funnier.
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:44 am

Lev Muishkin wrote:An objective notion is only so, because the majority accept it as true regardless of their own opinion. Thus objectivism is a complete denial of the individual, and personal views. To be an objectivist is to FOLLOW the received wisdom: the wisdom of the priest, the king or tyrant. Ae these what you refer to as "alpha-men". The men that own you?

An objective statement is perfectly okay for matters of scientific interest, but when it comes to culturally and morally mediated assertions pur objectivity is absurd.


Hey Lev,

Wikipedia redirects me to Ayn Rand's concept of objectivism where it is stated that objectivism's main tenet is that "reality exists independently of consciousness". Google, on the other hand, gives me as a number two in its list of definitions a sentence that says "the belief that certain things, especially moral truths, exist independently of human knowledge or perception of them". These two definitions sort of agree, don't they? So we can say that objectivism is the idea that what is true is independent from what anyone thinks is true. Kind of hard to disagree with, isn't it? Now where I disagree with you is the idea that moral statements have no truth value. Moral statements are simply ought statements such as "You ought to do X" which mean nothing other than "You ought to do X if you want to maximize the chances of attaining your goals". Such statements are either true or false. You should either eat in order to remain alive or you should not. Hard to dispute. So the idea that moral objectivism is a complete denial of individual is not true. It's not MORAL OBJECTIVISM that denies the individual, it is MORAL UNIVERSALISM that does so, the idea that there is a set of moral rules that apply literally to everyone on Earth. The more general the morals, the worse.

But . . . this has nothing to do with this thread because this thread has nothing to do with objectivism in the conventional sense of the word. Rather, it has to do with something not quite defined . . . perhaps dogmatism?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby promethean75 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:26 pm

behold... andy has become a universal prescriptivist.

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:36 am

I am a cognitivist, and more specifically, a moral realist who also thinks that sone but not all moral statements are universally applicable.

So . . . no (:
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby phoneutria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:13 pm

remember when andy used to post like a raging teenager?
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby promethean75 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:59 pm

I think it's time you all learned the truth about pepperidge farm.

https://youtu.be/9XGrHkJQ1gg
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby iambiguous » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:18 pm

phoneutria wrote:remember when andy used to post like a raging teenager?
Pepperidge farm remembers


On the other hand, we can always go back to the OP and discuss why it is not applicable to you and Andy and...Satyr? :wink:
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby phoneutria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:33 pm

promethean75 wrote:I think it's time you all learned the truth about pepperidge farm.

https://youtu.be/9XGrHkJQ1gg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_7HxDM-MKI
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:24 am

phoneutria wrote:
promethean75 wrote:I think it's time you all learned the truth about pepperidge farm.

https://youtu.be/9XGrHkJQ1gg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_7HxDM-MKI


Actually, things like this have almost nothing to do with the reason I created this thread. Though I suspect that's their point. :lol:
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby Meno_ » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:14 pm

Very generally, objectivism contains for the most part a construction of reality based on acceptance / denial matrixes.

And in furtherance, an extended implication is offered to share, by projectively identifying the way to go; and thence forward becoming a test of certainty.

Objectivism is measured by such tests, to verify the credibility of individual opinions ; setting the bottom tier of a defensive assurance, on this most basic level.
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Re: the psychology of objectivism - one possible narrative

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:59 pm

Talk about the "psychology of objectivism"!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/us/p ... e=Homepage

For more than a week, a plain-spoken former federal prosecutor named Sidney Powell made the rounds on right-wing talk radio and cable news, facing little pushback as she laid out a conspiracy theory that Venezuela, Cuba and other “communist” interests had used a secret algorithm to hack into voting machines and steal millions of votes from President Trump.

She spoke mostly uninterrupted for nearly 20 minutes on Monday on the “Rush Limbaugh Show,” the No. 1 program on talk radio. Hosts like Mark Levin, who has the fourth-largest talk radio audience, and Lou Dobbs of Fox Business praised her patriotism and courage.

So it came as most unwelcome news to the president’s defenders when Tucker Carlson, host of an 8 p.m. Fox News show and a confidant of Mr. Trump, dissected Ms. Powell’s claims as unreliable and unproven.

“What Powell was describing would amount to the single greatest crime in American history,” Mr. Carlson said on Thursday night, his voice ringing with incredulity in a 10-minute monologue at the top of his show. “Millions of votes stolen in a day. Democracy destroyed. The end of our centuries-old system of government.” But, he said, when he invited Ms. Powell on his show to share her evidence, she became “angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

The response was immediate, and hostile. The president’s allies in conservative media and their legions of devoted Trump fans quickly closed ranks behind Ms. Powell and her case on behalf of the president, accusing the Fox host of betrayal.

“How quickly we turn on our own,” said Bo Snerdley, Mr. Limbaugh’s producer, in a Twitter post that was indicative of the backlash against Mr. Carlson. “Where is the ‘evidence’ the election was fair?”

The backlash against Mr. Carlson and Fox for daring to exert even a moment of independence underscores how little willingness exists among Republicans to challenge the president and his false narrative about the election he insists was stolen. Among conservative media voices and outlets, there’s generally not just a lack of willingness — they have proved this month to be Mr. Trump’s most reflexive defenders.


This is simply how the objectivist "minds" function. Not only does their la la land reality not require any actual accumulation of evidence, but god help those who deviate even in the slightest from the One True Path.

And boy does it take me back!!

Back to the days when out on the extreme left end of the ideological spectrum, it was the same thing with us. It was never enough to be a Marxist-Leninist. You had to embrace the one and the only true account of it. Over and again in the Guardian or the Militant the most fierce criticisms were often leveled not at the capitalists but at the communists or the socialists who dared to deviate from the righteous path in regard to the Soviet Union or China or Cuba or feminism or homosexuality or, well, everything.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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