What came first...

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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:22 pm

Higher shelved ones become near impossible to see not to speak of being reachable, .....
As a matter of opinion they may have been shelved in a past, at the same time.
Course falling , is always a concern.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:17 pm

Don’t look at me. Look at him.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:09 pm

I did , it was invisible in a red and green turned brown place. I thought for a second I was in hell but it was from a refiner's fire'.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:20 pm

You know the Infinite Well ❤️
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:28 am

Ichthus77 wrote:You know the Infinite Well ❤️



Yes, but not in the sense that most people associate with knowledge, but through my heart,
that gained some light from darkness.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Gloominary » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:06 am

Ichthus77 wrote:What came first, the word or the ability to produce and/or comprehend it?

The latter of course.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:30 am

:-) Why am I just now seeing this?
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:32 am

Gloominary wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:What came first, the word or the ability to produce and/or comprehend it?

The latter of course.


Are you just gonna leave it like that without explaining your thinking?
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Re: What came first...

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:24 am

THE CHICKEN IS THE E-

Oh, it's a different question.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:02 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:THE CHICKEN IS THE E-

Oh, it's a different question.


shhh I’m watching a Christopher Nolan movie.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:50 pm

An irony I just recently realized is they woo you away by whetting and feeding your Why? appetite, and then they insult you when you expect an answer that actually satisfies it. Edit: That, or they are trying to give you hints to solve the riddle because they don't want to spoil it for you. ;)

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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue May 10, 2022 3:45 pm

Wanna know why they don’t wanna call aminal language LANGUAGE? Cuz then they’d have to explain how it GOT THERE. DNA says: AwkWORD!
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue May 10, 2022 4:06 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Ichthus wrote:What came first, the word or the ability to produce and/or comprehend it?

How could a word exist at all if there is no means to produce or comprehend it? What would it be?


A word without a mind is a pretty mindless word :-)

*dancing*
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Tue May 10, 2022 5:45 pm

If You mind, It matters, if I don't mind it ; it doesen't matter ~ one way or another.





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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue May 10, 2022 5:58 pm

Meno_ wrote:If You mind, It matters, if I don't mind it ; it doesen't matter ~ one way or another.


Ok but what if I mind that it (something you do that I mind) doesn’t matter to you?

Also: Why do what doesn’t matter?

Lying to yourself.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 2:39 am

Ichthus77 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:If You mind, It matters, if I don't mind it ; it doesen't matter ~ one way or another.


Ok but what if I mind that it (something you do that I mind) doesn’t matter to you?

Also: Why do what doesn’t matter?

Lying to yourself.


1.Because it doesen't matter one way or another. So it dies matter to You, if You mind it, but by minding it , it does matter to You(if I do it)

But I don't mind either if I mind it or not( do it or not~whatever i am doing)>>>>> but I don't mind doing it or not>>>>>but if I don't mind not doing it, as well>>>>>You shouldn't mind if I am not doing it or doing it~because You only mind what I M doing and You can not be certain I am doing it: there for You can not mind what I am not necessarily doing; .You can but You'd look pretty silly minding that what I am not doing.[You can mind why I am not doing it, though]



2.something may not matter (that You mind) but since I don't mind if I am doing it or not, it may not matter if I do it or not.


3.i am only lying to myself if I mind something which I only mind when I am doing it; but in case I am not doing it , I can't mind it, since I can only mind something which I am doing.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed May 11, 2022 3:40 am

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:If You mind, It matters, if I don't mind it ; it doesen't matter ~ one way or another.


Ok but what if I mind that it (something you do that I mind) doesn’t matter to you?

Also: Why do what doesn’t matter?

Lying to yourself.


1.Because it doesen't matter one way or another. So it dies matter to You, if You mind it, but by minding it , it does matter to You(if I do it)

But I don't mind either if I mind it or not( do it or not~whatever i am doing)>>>>> but I don't mind doing it or not>>>>>but if I don't mind not doing it, as well>>>>>You shouldn't mind if I am not doing it or doing it~because You only mind what I M doing and You can not be certain I am doing it: there for You can not mind what I am not necessarily doing; .You can but You'd look pretty silly minding that what I am not doing.[You can mind why I am not doing it, though]



2.something may not matter (that You mind) but since I don't mind if I am doing it or not, it may not matter if I do it or not.


3.i am only lying to myself if I mind something which I only mind when I am doing it; but in case I am not doing it , I can't mind it, since I can only mind something which I am doing.


The referee (Ec’s cat Charlie) declares me the winner of whatever just happened. He also gives you side eye and says to definitely not trust you. He’s pretty sure you won’t mind one way or the other.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 4:03 am

77 says:





"The referee (Ec’s cat Charlie) declares me the winner of whatever just happened. He also gives you side eye and says to definitely not trust you. He’s pretty sure you won’t mind one way or the other"



Meno say:



"OK, and I will not contest Ec's cat. However I will contest Your trust issue , for the cat is one removed from Ec.

There is a problem between the supposed articulation of the cat's report of an image reporting preceeding or concurrent with that image, that doesen't exist with Ec.

In order to compare the two supposed images, as the signify some evolved patterns of consistency, those emitted signals which both Ec and his cat can succeed to form many signals to indicate they have some understanding that their images don't denote an imaginary (mindless) matter, a designation of understanding can not develop from the imaginary to conform to the signal..

The numbers of signals can be divided to as many particular signs as necessary to relegate to an analog language, as not to loose a significant number that could limit understanding by working against the laws that could conform to that significance.

Insignificance on a binary level could not be picked up on the analog signaling system, and may mess with the coding system.

Such system may rely on a kind of relay system to make up for lost , insignificant signals. Such system would need a backup method to make up for lost signals.


That would entail the third variance that could develop a kind of multi variance, like a differential gear in mechanics, so that proper channel can fit the ratios that each one is working at.


The image can be raised from pure imagination, when a plan or a diagram can not work, through such intermediary differential, and the signals could pass through in an analog(analytic) to the binary level.

If such a coding device could be used then used action the word that signify no mind, or the purely abstracted signal out of imagination? Would translate into one that could start to signal one that is both a mental sign and a non-signal, or jinsignificant one.

That would create the effect that such device could predicate a probable outcome, whether to mind or not the signal as to being significant (+1) or insignificant (0) , creating a situation where both an absence and a presence of a sign could code into awareness(mind)

Is it too early to jump into the question of what came first, at this point?


The behavior of this coding type of function or the very description by analysis of the mind thT codes as either accepting or rejecting the signals on basis of a continuous mimimal/maximal recognition , minding and not minding at various intervals, or/and changing the function so that the minimal/maximal recognition can change it to a completely minded signal, by using both the presences and the lapses of signals.

In the analog system the non signals would translate into a binary one, where both would serve indiscriminately as a minded rather then a mindless system


This has cybernetic applications , as relate to certain continua which string psychometric signals together, as in certain knotty situation which have come to be tested on the weirdest ironic allusions.

Can only entrance exam at this stage with no guarantees of advanced standing, however past indications on 'menoic' levels appear as the presence of the analytic proverbial cat's communicative image should have been picked up by Ec's imagination without loosing a beat.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed May 11, 2022 4:33 am

Meno_ wrote:77 says:





"The referee (Ec’s cat Charlie) declares me the winner of whatever just happened. He also gives you side eye and says to definitely not trust you. He’s pretty sure you won’t mind one way or the other"


Word.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 4:51 am

OK
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 4:53 am

Ichthus77 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:77 says:





"The referee (Ec’s cat Charlie) declares me the winner of whatever just happened. He also gives you side eye and says to definitely not trust you. He’s pretty sure you won’t mind one way or the other"


Word.






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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 4:53 am

But now.?.
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed May 11, 2022 5:06 am

always alpha & omega

Why can’t Wittgenstein be studied in phenomenology? Doesn’t he talk about the word/concept in the mind/Mind?
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Re: What came first...

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 11, 2022 5:28 am

He didn't talk about it.

The 0 is more similar to O, the sound of Ohm against the letter. Beethoven deaf, write by imagining the 9th symphony.

Can the imagination give fuel to an image?

Can images drive the imagination to go underground and appear as night?

What comes before what

Can leibnitz imagine harmonics and calculate the atomic fission?

Did atomists dream it up?


and do the idea of having a limit, as now ranking about those ideas have anything we can express ?

Is Ec's cat still conscious or is he asleep? Dreaming of another, better cat heaven without dogs?
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Re: What came first...

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed May 11, 2022 1:01 pm

but google Wittgenstein & phenomenology

& philosophy of mind

he’s relevant
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