Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

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Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:35 pm

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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:53 pm

Wagner's idea conflicting with N's presumably is based on Jungian rational, but opinions vary in regard to this thesis. The religious-psychological dimension may undertow it, and here is where Jung may have overstepped an analytical, namely Freudian dimension.


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There is a flow, a circular one toward a flat looking endgame mind of horizon, and it looks flat, leaving behind what is below it's calm looking surface, yet what is below, accumulates dead weight the more it's submedved, thus it breaks it up the cosmic into the various particles of apprehension.

Wagner, the Freudian overstepped these unromantic sentiments, whereas they were still sustained in bubbles of effusion.
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Re: Wagner contra Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:08 pm

I can't sleep because of this:


That i am assembling by bits and pieces for the vast covering that overlays Echo's vanity, as projected as jelous anger on the the form of a naive man, who can't see himself as separate in Amy sense from other's and he can not love himself because it is always the others that he sees.He can't love the other, because he can not really see himself apart of the other.
He dies not understand the guilt of echo, who admires this lack of reflection, while feels rejection and rage, and guilt for violating purity.
The meta morphisis is akin to Buddhist selfless disattachment, but narcissus has lack of this for he can not attach any feeling to a particularly reflected other.
The underlay is deeper concerning the pessimism inherent in idealism as a con cept, that can not yet be translated into cognative elements for the are disparately existent , the vanity subsists in a figure of the whole gestalt of the flower as metaphor.

The guilt is inherent within the folds of overlapping images , and it echoes through the being of existential dread, that the cycle will be repeated in eternal succession.
The vanity of existence belies this cyclic eternity, an Nietzsche will have nothing of such romantic notions. Schopenhauer's pessimism in an analytical reanecment, through some synthetic revival is interpreted as a hopeless tool. With which to convince a jaded state of mind, hence he goes east and seeks to imitate Christ's phenomenologically reduced self with one that displaces it's affective, moralistic rhetoric with a more useful, and effective one, of cutting away all semblances that indentify a personality.

The major premises of changing conceptual realization, such as moralism tries to buttress with religious descriptions, do not work in the east, because for them , thought processes are described in Zen like aphorisms, that are always symbols of phenomelogical manifestations, they are simply described meta blocks of precinstructed elements.
Nietzsche rejects this, by eliminating the moralistic padding from any affective reaction
Somewhere between pre formamce and. Performance lies a pathway through which the the guilt can dispelled a phenomenal-cognitive disarray, through methods of reassemblage expressive parts from impressive mythological narratives.
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Re: Wagner contra Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Gaia was such an existential tool for Dali, as he self professes his very being tied to her.
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Re: Wagner contra Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:39 pm

Memes and genes:

The existential reduction from from phenomenal apprehension to genetic theory is another gaping hole encircled by a requisite need to understand what is covered and what is merely without specific content.

Just a thought
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Re: Wagner contra Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:14 pm

Gambling

Nietzsche took a calculated gamble in expressing a reactionary attitude toward the storming of the Bastille, and impressing a classical simulation for the ancien. regime.

For democracy as defined has implanted the new moneyed aristocracy, simply by simulating that very cincept by perfect attitudinal adoption of the look of that aristocracy.

Capital achieves that simulation, proving there is little connection between the appearence and the reality of any sustainable pattern of recignition, except through propaganda.

Therefore Nietzsche would have failed the wager, if, there would have been one.

The losers here in Vegas all live in real tunnels, reflecting the nihilistic subterranians in Dostoevsky's time.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:05 pm

Neutrality is the best nihilism'

Someone said this recently on lip ; so true!
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Re: Wagner contra Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:09 pm

[quote="Meno_"]Memes and genes:

The existential reduction from from phenomenal apprehension to genetic theory is another gaping hole encircled by a requisite need to understand what is covered and what is merely without specific content; and could translate into possible specific intentional objective.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:37 pm

The genetic-emotional reaction as a factor in a redeiced reactive gap between the established platform of modeling, underplays the selective process that exchanges and tipyfies traits.

A c it off or breakage is merely an appearent disassociation from conscious to unconscious modes of perception,.

The simulated data looses sign I icant and substantial apprehension due to imperceptible varience between the appearent and the hidden, between the recognition of associations that has been cut. ( autonomously or functionally)

The paradigm transvaluable objectively ideal construction, suffers the same fate.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:40 pm

Meno_ wrote:The genetic-emotional reaction as a factor in a redeiced reactive gap between the established platform of modeling, underplays the selective process that exchanges and tipyfies traits.

A c it off or breakage is merely an appearent disassociation from conscious to unconscious modes of perception,.

The simulated data looses sign I icant and substantial apprehension due to imperceptible varience between the appearent and the hidden, between the recognition of associations that has been cut. ( autonomously or functionally)

The paradigm transvaluable objectively ideal construction, suffers the same fate.


Invisibility and visibility have have decompensatiom between the cognative to the appearent so that the decompensatiom leads to repression , denial toward
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:32 pm

Graphic nihilism

A constructed polygon

Turned upside down becomes open ended and can contain anything falling


Left right side up, it remains uncovered and can contain anything that falls into it.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Lorikeet » Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:27 pm

Graphic nihilsim...an inverted pyramid.
Over a pyramid would make it crypto-nihilistic. Parasitical.
To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods

-Thomas Babington Macaulay, Lays of Ancient Rome
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:57 am

It's not both but one or another, by choice, either subliminal or conscious. That makes the difference
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Lorikeet » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:58 am

To say one thing, think a second and do a third.
To destroy while remaining convinced that you are creating.
To believe in your own lies, so as to make them effective, more believable.

Self-Deceit is the hallmark of a fanatic.

Mind/Body dissonance is the outcome.
Resentment of the body, a constant reminder, to the mind, of tis own deception.
Neurosis follows, requiring self-medication.
To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods

-Thomas Babington Macaulay, Lays of Ancient Rome
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:27 pm

So true, and the rest ....almost determined the historical rebound ..and the total loss of freedom.
It is in this way zarathustra speaks, not using illusion . The political ambitions can deconstruct fine tuned metaphors to suit their devious purposes as if to hide a superimposition by cowering an idea of an open society.

Ref: the open society and it's enemies.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Lorikeet » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:58 pm

Doubled-edged sword of writing in prose, using allegories.
It evades the mediocre monstrosities that would seek vengeance upon the one who reveals nature, exposing them to reality, because they cannot attack the world directly - attacking the messenger because they cannot attack the message - but it also leaves one open to any charlatan's revisionisms, even those integrating anti-Abrahamism into a new kind of Abrahamism; charlatans, spin-doctors, priestly spirits, self-ascribed gurus, using occultism, superstitions, and obscurantism to their advantage....coveting the effect, not the cause.

You've got a few on ILP.

It is why I seek to anchor concepts to the world, using words.
Denying them to grifters and messiahs.
To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods

-Thomas Babington Macaulay, Lays of Ancient Rome
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:38 pm

The majority belong in that class while the minority has acquired a prejoritive status.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:29 pm

The other side of love is unlike hate and revenge, it is the indiscriminate need for compassion.

Gear up to that, with a fixed marriage of postmodern gravity,

Marriages are made in heaven-doubletalk


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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Lorikeet » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:33 pm

The opposite of live isn't hate.,...it is indifference.
Hate is a pathos, that is similar with love in that both are reactions to fear/anxiety.
To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods

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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:36 pm

Lorikeet wrote:The opposite of live isn't hate.,...it is indifference.
Hate is a pathos, that is similar with love in that both are reactions to fear/anxiety.




Indifference is a compliment to some,albeit off of less then a 45 degree angle so as to become a cute and not an ab t use prescription.

Moral: never take them at face value.
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:43 pm

But squarely right on fear and trembling
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:29 pm

Merry Xmas and. Hanukkah all members of lip.

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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:24 am

Ok

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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:19 pm

By unanimous consent, nihilism as defined by some , here at i love philosophy, as a foundation by neutrality: appears to have been lost.

Got to look for those responsible for that very convincing argument ..almost closing some imaginable gaps.

Anyone up for it?
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Re: Wagner contract Nietzsche Freeform

Postby Lorikeet » Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:33 pm

Meno_ wrote:By unanimous consent, nihilism as defined by some , here at i love philosophy, as a foundation by neutrality: appears to have been lost.
Got to look for those responsible for that very convincing argument ..almost closing some imaginable gaps.

Anyone up for it?
Nihilism is not skepticism...not agnosticism.
It is a position that states that since the world lacks purpose, a god and meaning, as they define the concepts, it is a negative state.

They demand that reality contain the concepts that only exist in their heads...your head.
It would be like saying:
If the universe has no unicorns in it, no purple dragons it is a negative place.
So, I remain skeptical, because there might be unicorns and dragons somewhere, or they may be proven to exist, at some point in time.
This is not rational skepticism which remains uncertain because nothing and nobody can ever be omniscient - like someone on this forums claims he is - it is insanity.

I have no reason to believe in dragons or unicorns as being more than figments of my imagination, so whether I remain skeptical about their existence is nonsense, since to assume they must exist is insane.

I do not assume anything I can imagine exists...but I begin to assume it one I find evidence that it might.
The way the concepts "god", "meaning" and "purpose" are defined renders them improbable, at best....absurd, in fact.
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Death cometh soon or late.
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