a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:48 pm

Jan Mieszkowski

What's a word that isn't German but feels like German?


Duhsein?

As a youth, Albert Camus had already grasped that there is no love of life without despair of life.

And then the Facel Vega veered into a tree.

"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." Said the guy who named his cat Cigarette.

And then the Facel Vega veered into a tree.

Unsexiest Philosophy Halloween Costumes
1) Brain in a vat
2) Trolley problem
3) Prisoner's dilemma
4) Beetle in a box
5) Martin Heidegger


6 through 10) a conflicting good.

After 2 weeks of multiple health screens and asking everyone to quarantine, I surprised my closest inner circle with a trip to a private island where we could pretend things were normal just for a brief moment in time.

Fantasy Island they call it.

Age 18: I've never read Hegel!
Age 20: I've never read Heidegger!
Age 22: I've never read Žižek!
Age 24: Why did I read Hegel?!?
Age 26: Why did I read Heidegger?!?
Age 28: Why did I read Žižek?!?


Here it's the Kids, the objectivists and the "yak, yak yakkers".
All ages.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:48 am

William Butler Yeats

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold.


And what if there is no center? What if it's all either red or blue?

Hammer your thoughts into unity.

Just what we need, more objectivists.

From our birthday, until we die, Is but the winking of an eye.

Seventy-odd years as it were.

People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition end by starving the best part of the mind.

Seriously, as I say.

It is so many years before one can believe enough in what one feels even to know what the feeling is.

Just don't die first.

And wisdom is a butterfly
And not a gloomy bird of prey


And then one day, as he recalled, it was the other way around.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:38 pm

Michael Shermer

Absolute morality leads logically to absolute intolerance.


Yo, Mr. Objectivist!

To be a fully functioning moral agent, one cannot passively accept moral principles handed down by fiat. Moral principles require moral reasoning.

Just not intolerant moral reasoning.

Being a skeptic just means being rational and empirical: thinking and seeing before believing.

That's where I come in. If that's where I come in.

In the long run, it is better to understand the way the world really is rather than how we would like it to be.

:lol:
No, really.

As Karl Marx once noted: 'Hegel remarks somewhere that all great, world-historical facts and personages occur, as it were, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce.' William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes trial was a tragedy. The creationists and intelligent design theorists are a farce.

Talk about farce: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=194822
Just kidding. Sort of.


The whole point of faith, in fact, is to believe regardless of the evidence, which is the very antithesis of science.

True, but, on the other hand, how else can you live forever?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:16 pm

E.O. Wilson

The ideal scientist thinks like a poet and only later works like a bookkeeper.


Next up: the ideal philosopher. You know, if there is one.

Competing is intense among humans, and within a group, selfish individuals always win. But in contests between groups, groups of altruists always beat groups of selfish individuals.

Hmm. A paradox. It is, right?

Exclusion makes us suffer, inclusion makes us thrive.

Unless of course [for some of us] it's the other way around.

People around the world today, growing cautious of war and fearful of its consequences, have turned increasingly to its moral equivalent in team sports.

The fucking idiots for example.
You know, if I do say so myself.


What drove the hominins on through to larger brains, higher intelligence, and thence language-based culture? That, of course, is the question of questions.

I Know! God!!

The power of organized religions is based upon their contribution to social order and personal security, not to the search for truth. The goal of religions is submission to the will and common good of the tribe. The illogic of religions is not a weakness in them, but their essential strength. Acceptance of the bizarre creation myths binds the members together.

Yet another intellectual contraption about religion that will change nothing.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:44 am

God

Don.
It’s God.
You’re fired.


Go back 4 years...
Don.
It's God.
You're hired.


250,000 Americans have died of COVID.
But Trump would like a recount.


This coming from an omniscient and omnipotent God?

Fuck half of you.
I've been thinking about it, and fuck the other half of you too.


Wow, imagine if He wasn't loving, just and merciful.

Heaven is blue.
Hell is red.
Just sayin'


Yo, Ierrellus!

It really is a Million MAGA March, in the sense that it is one followed by a bunch of zeroes.

Now that's clever. Not to mention true.

Homosexuality is not a choice.
Homophobia is.


Still: genes more or less than memes?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:44 pm

Jean Cocteau

I feel myself inhabited by a force or being -- very little known to me. It gives the orders; I follow.


And this time it's not the Devil.

The public only takes up yesterday as a stick to beat today.

Not necessarily your public or mine.

Without resistance you can do nothing.

Tell that to all of those who have.

Understand that some of your enemies are amongst your best friends.

Or, sure, some of your friends are amongst your worst enemies.

Silence moves faster when it's going backward.

An example please.

It was the East that should have sent us missionaries.

Let's imagine that they had.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:05 pm

V.E. Schwab

I love you, Kell, but I have no interest in matching tattoos.


Any matching tattoos here?

It doesn't matter what someone is. Only what they think they are.

Yo, Pedro!!
You know, among others.


Ask nice. Play nice. Marcella was so fucking tired of nice.

Let's try to imagine nice here.

Victor was the first to speak, and when he did, it was with an eloquence and composure perfectly befitting the situation. “Holy shit."

We come upon that reaction a lot here, don't we?

The world is neither fair nor right, but it has a way of balancing itself.

Pick one:
1] might makes right
2] right makes might
3] the real world


Life -- the way it really is -- is a battle not between Bad and Good, but between Bad and Worse. —Joseph Brodsky

Next up: the worst of all.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:09 am

God

The best way to honor veterans is to stop making them.


Too late for me though.

There has never been a better time to have no proof of something.

And going all the way back now to the day he was born.

You're not worth ruining a perfectly good meteor for.

Is that the good news?

This is the part of the movie where you think the bad guy is gone and you breathe a sigh of relief and then he comes back for one last jolt of sheer terror.

I'll bet He means Trump.

From Obama nation to abomination in four short years.

God does stand-up.

Who do I pray to?

Uh, Pedro?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:45 pm

Don DeLillo

Everything that goes on in your whole life is a result of molecules rushing around somewhere in your brain.


Not that they know this.

We seem to believe it is possible to ward off death by following rules of good grooming.

That and brushing our teeth twice a day. Oh, and eating an apple.

Technology is lust removed from nature.

Unless of course it's something else.

California deserves whatever it gets. Californians invented the concept of life-style. This alone warrants their doom.

I would almost go that far myself.

Your brain has a trillion neurons and every neuron has ten thousand little dendrites. The system of inter-communication is awe-inspiring.

And what do they know of dasein?

Some people are larger than life. Hitler is larger than death.

Millions of them in fact.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:10 pm

tiny nietzsche

vote not for monsters lest ye become a monster


Only now the monster won't concede. You know, to the other less monstrous one.

what's something that isn't nothing, but still feels like nothing?

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rage against the I don't understand how this works

Not much that doesn't include.

might fuck around and regime change

Or start a nuclear war.

a rising tide sinks all fleets

It needed updating, right?

wake up and go to sleep

At least once a day.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:33 pm

Jasper Johns

As one gets older one sees many more paths that could be taken. Artists sense within their own work that kind of swelling of possibilities, which may seem a freedom or a confusion.


A confusion. Definitely.

To be an artist you have to give up everything, including the desire to be a good artist.

Yo, phoneutria! Is this true? Or do you only have to give up being a good philosopher? :wink:

Take an object. Do something to it. Do something else to it.

Or: Take a word. Do something with it. Do something else with it.

One night I dreamed that I painted a large American flag, and the next morning I got up and I went out and bought the materials to begin it.

You know, going all the way back to the Big Bang.

I'm not looking for images, They just appear and take on an interest. Sometimes you look at a thing and it has no interest and then you see it in a different way and it has another meaning. Or something that was of no use will become useful.

You tell me: https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... ent=psy-ab

Sometimes I see it and then paint it. Other times I paint it and then see it.

Or here [perhaps]: Sometimes I see it and then think it. Other times I think it and then see it.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:06 pm

Joy Williams

You must stop worrying about why things happen and wonder what they mean when they do.


I'm sticking to both myself. Now all we need is a context.

Words at night were feral things.

Not unlike the words at dawn.

Nothing we do is inevitable, but everything we do is irreversible.

Unless of course everything we do is inevitable.

Alice heard a woman say, 'Before I start writing I feel affectionate, interested, and frustrated. In that order. Afterwards I feel relieved, disgusted, and confused. Sometimes I don't think it's worth it.

Any of you here that woman?

Clouds aren't as pretty as they used to be. That's a known fact.

Not counting these clouds: https://youtu.be/CdMs7eqMvNg

Here's something for you, Jack, Miriam said. You'll appreciate this. Beckett describes tears as 'liquified brain.'

God, Miriam, Jack said. Why are you sharing that with me? Look at this day, it's a beautiful day! Stop pumping out the cesspit! Leave the cesspit alone!


I'm backing Miriam myself.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:27 pm

tiny nietzsche

if I said you had horrible ethics, would you hold them against me?


Like you wouldn't anyway.

don't throw the abyss out with the bathwater

You know, when you can tell them apart.

saturday night's alright for deconstruction

Just not around here.

the abyss and I have decided to separate. please respect our privacy during this difficult time

Mine is stuck on me like glue.

my horoscope says I shouldn't listen to me

Let alone you.

in space, no one can hear you cope

Not unlike down here. You know, for some of us.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:10 pm

Frances McDormand

Most women's pictures are as boring and as formulaic as men's pictures. In place of a car chase or a battle scene, what you get is an extreme closeup of a woman breaking down.


Damnit, let's change all that.

I don't think of myself as a movie star and I can pretty easily convince other people that I'm not a movie star.

I'm convinced.

After Blood Simple, everybody thought I was from Texas. After Mississippi Burning, everybody thought I was from Mississippi and uneducated. After Fargo, everybody's going to think I'm from Minnesota, pregnant, and have blonde hair. I don't think you can ever completely transform yourself on film, but if you do your job well, you can make people believe that you're the character you're trying to be.

And after Short Cuts?

The only power you have is the word no.

Well, maybe.

I never trusted good-looking boys.

Let alone the ones who are "young and beautiful".

There's only two givens with choosing acting as a profession: one is you will always be unemployed, always, and it doesn't matter how much money you make, you're still always going to be unemployed; and that you have no power.

Tell that to the Coen brothers.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:39 pm

Robert Duvall

We either accept weaknesses in good people or we have to tear pages out of the Bible.


And what pages might they be?

I've always remembered something Sanford Meisner, my acting teacher, told us. When you create a character, it's like making a chair, except instead of making something out of wood, you make it out of yourself. That's the actor's craft - using yourself to create a character.

Your chair here is a beanbag. And, no, not just on the corner.

I take a vitamin every day; it's called a steak.

365 a year no doubt.

There's no right or wrong just truthful or untruthful.

Not that he really knows what this means. I'm guessing.

I was fortunate in the last century to be in the two biggest hits film-wise, "Godfather I" and "Godfather II," and "Lonesome Dove".

Just ask Bill O'Reilly.

You know, Hollywood sometimes tends to patronize the interior of the United States. As Horton Foote used to say, the great Texas playwright, that a lot of people from New York don't know what goes on beyond the South Jersey Shore.

Yes. And let's keep it that way.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:39 pm

so sad today

awake when i’m supposed to be sleeping, asleep when i’m supposed to be awake


For me though it's the other way around.

dare to ignore everything

Starting with, say, astrology.

watching myself fuck up in slow motion

Next up: watching myself fuck up in fast forward.

if you need me i’ll be eating alone in my car

If you need me, I'll be with her.

taking shit personally so i can feel like i matter

I tried that once myself.

wish it was me ignoring you

To foe or not to foe? That actually is a question here!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:16 pm

William Butler Yeats

What can be explained is not poetry.


So, is that a good thing?

Man is in love and loves
what vanishes,
What more is there to say?


Can this be exaplained?

God guard me from those thoughts men think In the mind alone.

Or: God guard me from those thoughts men think and then act on.

I have observed dreams and visions very carefully, and am now certain that the imagination has some way of lighting on the truth that the reason has not, and that its commandments, delivered when the body is still and the reason silent, are the most binding we can ever know.

Imagine that. Just don't go too far.

I'm looking for the face I had, before the world was made.

Hey, good luck with that.

The mystical life is the centre of all that I do and all that I think and all that I write. . . . I have always considered myself a voice of what I believe to be a greater renaissance - the revolt of the soul against the intellect.

I went the other way myself. Or, rather, as far as that can take you.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:17 pm

It's so cleverly ironic.

He takes what these guys say and totally turns it around.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:38 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:It's so cleverly ironic.

He takes what these guys say and totally turns it around.


Don't you have other threads to shit on? :lol:
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:06 am

I'm just saying. It's super clever.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:24 am

On Grantchester..

Inspector Geordie Keating: What we need is a regular war, now that would stop this young lot fighting
Reverend Will Davenport: Yea your right Geordie that’s what we need, young men being shot at on a regular basis

Reminiscent of the US right now? but no war’s been declared.


Inspector Geordie Keating: Why make up a secret society?
Suspect: Because girls like dangerous men
Inspector Geordie Keating: Son, I’ll tell you this for nothing, you’ll never be a dangerous man

Said by a dangerous man himself.. with two reverends as backup, or is that.. to join in the scuffles and all in the name of Christianity.


Reverend Sidney Chambers: I coulda got it wrong
Inspector Geordie Keating: Well, it wouldn’t be the first time, let’s face it.

Says the man who often gets it wrong, himself..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:56 pm

Phil Plait

Pseudoscience is like a virus. At low levels, it's no big deal, but when it reaches a certain threshold it becomes sickening.


Next up: psuedo-philosophy. Of course that's trickier.

I'm tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious anti-intellectualism is considered a positive trait, and where uninformed opinion is displayed as fact.

Here for example: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=194822

If a little kid ever asks you just why the sky is blue, you look him or her right in the eye and say, 'It's because of quantum effects involving Rayleigh scattering combined with a lack of violet photon receptors in our retinae.'

Next up: if a big Kid asks you.

The difference between the dinosaurs and us is that we have a space program and we can vote...

My guess: Among other things.

Just like people, stars can be important without being terribly bright.

Infantile. But true.

It’s dead obvious that creationism isn’t science, or even bad science. It’s nonsense. But I’ve long stated it’s also bad religion, because it doesn’t just take faith, it also takes a phenomenal disregard of reality.

Next up: the reality of oblivion.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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iambiguous: a post from Pedro?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:16 pm

sad socrates

If you can find happiness in Sad Socrates, you can find happiness anywhere.


Ironically as it were.

The monotony of life is best punctuated by death.

And it certainly will be.

My best death is behind me.

Reincarnated as it were.

If you have nothing nice to say, join Twitter.

Instead, we come here.

The world keeps ending every week.

They don't call it the weekend for nothing. But then, come Monday, it's back again. Well, this time.

In honor of death, we persevere.

Or, sure, if we're foolish enough, in honor of something else.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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iambiguous: a post from Pedro?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:46 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:48 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Of course here, sadly enough, you are only paraquoting yourself. 8)
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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