## a thread for mundane ironists

This is the place to shave off that long white beard and stop being philosophical; a forum for members to just talk like normal human beings.

### Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Laura Dern

I love comedy. David's Lynch the only person I've worked with more than once who sees me as a specific thing - he sees me as the sexy bimbo, in ways, and he also sees me as Lucille Ball. Actually, Nick Cage and I did Lucy and Ricky in two scenes in Wild at heart that were cut because the movie was four hours long.

Who knew, right?

It's a strange world, as David Lynch would say.

But is it strange enough?

I think it's interesting that there's always a dark cloud hanging over my character, in every movie. Even in Fat Man and Little Boy, where it's a real dark cloud. In Mask, it's more the judgment of others, but it's still a threat.

Rambling Rose. My own personal favorite.

What I consider a good part for a woman and what some other Hollywood people think are good women's parts are very different.

When I started dating I had relationships with people who came from families that weren't at all artistic or whatever, and they didn't understand how to communicate. I find that so boring.

I'm interested in flawed protagonists. I was raised on them.

Flawed works for me.
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Existential Comics

There is a lot of confusion about what "Marxism" actually is, so let me clarify: it's when your boss tells you to work on the weekend, but instead of doing it you punch him in the dick.

Next up: when him is a her.

Hey guys what if we all started saying Critical Race Theory ultimately stems from Hegel? Do you think we could get conservatives to ban teaching The Phenomenology of Spirit in high schools? Because that would be pretty funny.

Funny and...tragic?

Kafka, on his deathbed: "okay so here's what we do..."

You know, that other Kafka.

What I learned from analytic philosophy:
- chairs don't exist
- water is the same as H2O
- snow is white if it is white
What I learned from continental philosophy:

On the other hand, which continent?

Controversial opinion but Franz Kafka's "The Metamorphosis" is a lousy book, because the bug doesn't learn any badass kung fu. All great books should have badass kung fu in them.

And, sure, all great posts here.

When billionaires talk about how they plan to stop climate change, 99% of the time they are actually talking about profiting off climate change. They want to own the growing green sector so they can control it, prevent democratic oversight, and profit from it. Do not trust them.

Hey, whatever works, right?
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Charlotte Bronte

I try to avoid looking forward or backward, and try to keep looking upward.

You know, in the general direction of God.

Life appears to me too short to be spent in nursing animosity, or registering wrongs.

Fortunately, that's never been a problem for me.

Life is so constructed, that the event does not, cannot, will not, match the expectation.

Pick one:
1] God
2] Nature

I am no bird; and no net ensnares me; I am a free human being with an independent will.

Well, she once was anyway.

A ruffled mind makes a restless pillow.

Or, as some call it, insomnia.

Besides this earth, and besides the race of men, there is an invisible world and a kingdom of spirits: that world is round us, for it is everywhere.

If, unlike me, you know what she means.
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Doth

The longest day of the year can be hard for the goths in your life. Make sure you know that they matter & that the darkness will be here soon.

Hard for nihilists too. Well, this one.

Of course I have body issues, I can't explode into thousands of crows.

Or just one for that matter.

My body isn’t a temple, it’s at best a decaying old greenhouse with a horrifying backstory.

Next up: it's at worst...

Be the horrifying backstory of your family's lineage.

Or, fuck it, all of humanity itself.

I’m desensitized to horror, tell me a movie that can change that.

Take your pick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... _the_worst

I just want to be rich enough where I never have to be seen in public again.

In any event, I come close enough.
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Philip Seymour Hoffman

A lot of people describe me as chubby, which seems so easy, so first-choice. Or stocky. Fair-skinned. Tow-headed. There are so many other choices. How about dense? I mean, I'm a thick kind of guy. But I'm never described in attractive ways. I'm waiting for somebody to say I'm at least cute. But nobody has.

Well, maybe on the other side someone will.

Well, I think everyone struggles with self-love.

Stoned or sober.

For me, acting is torturous, and it's torturous because you know it's a beautiful thing. I was young once, and I said, that's beautiful and I want that. Wanting it is easy, but trying to be great - well, that's absolutely torturous.

You know, like me here.

There’s a period of time in your life when I kind of look back, and I’m like, was I happy, or was I just not aware?

Or, sure, when you were miserable. It has to work both ways.

Life's pretty funny when you're objectively on the outside looking at it.

How the hell does that work, he wondered.

I think you gotta have an honesty and a humility about human nature and that it's not about you at the end of the day.

And [for him] now especially.
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Doth

french kiss is when you use tongue, a goth kiss is when you bury their heart underneath the floorboards.

Next up: a goth fuck.

Be the reason why church doors slam shut as you walk by.

Or, sure, burst into flames.

Whenever I’m feeling stressed I like to take a deep breath & think about every mistake I have ever made.

And then, for some, post them here.

The most goth thing you could do is to get fully vaccinated, walk back into the woods & never be seen again.

You know, until the next pandemic.

Absolutely no one:
Me: it starts getting darker out in 20 days

That was then. Now that blessed darkness is creeping ever so slowly back again.

Anxiety is a dominatrix that yells in your ear: "try not to die today you piece of shit"

Or, sure, something like that.
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Charles Simic

Only poetry can measure the distance between ourselves and the Other.

Remember when it was only philosophy?

If I believe in anything, it is in the dark night of the soul. Awe is my religion, and mystery is its church.

Amen.

Poetry is an orphan of silence. The words never quite equal the experience behind them.

What's that make philosophy then?

One writes because one has been touched by the yearning for and the despair of ever touching the Other.

Or, for some, like me, one's very Self.

The truth is dark under your eyelids.

And how far away can that be from your brain?

Silence is the only language god speaks.

You know, so far.
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Jan Mieszknowski

Life is
Kierkegaard: anxiety
Schopenhauer: despair
Bataille: terror
Benjamin: guilt
Beckett: all that stuff, but really, really funny

Right, ha ha ha.

Then read Spinoza to understand that you don't understand anything.

I challenge someone here to explain that.

There is no such thing as "saying what you think." Walter Benjamin

I challenge someone here to explain that.

As a young boy, Albert Camus was already well aware that
a) the human being is the only creature that refuses to be what it is
b) every work of art is a confession
c) it was virtually impossible to take a bad photo of him

You know, if that even matters.

Psychology: The past hurts
Sociology: The present hurts
Politics: The future hurts
Philosophy: The past conditional perfect will have hurt if the future conditional perfect turns out to hurt as well

Yep, that about sums it up for some of us.

Or, sure, all of the above.
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Ernest Cline

I tried to keep my cool. I tried to remain skeptical. I reminded myself that I was a man of science, even if I did usually get a C in it.

Me?
Biology A
Chemistry A
physics F
True story.

Going outside is highly overrated.

Anyone here know why?

Spending time with her was intoxicating. We seemed to have everything in common. We shared the same interest. We were driven by the same goal. She got all my jokes. She made me laugh. She made me think. She changed the way I saw the world. I'd never had such a powerful, immediate connection with another human being before.

Me? You know the name.

It’s just you against the machine. Move with your left hand, shoot with your right, and try to stay alive as long as possible.

As I watched them embrace, there on the front lawn, my heart was rocked by waves of unbridled joy. It occurred to me that up until this moment I'd only ever experienced the bridled kind.

You grasp this or you don't.

There was always a trick to beating a computer-controlled opponent. At a game like this, a gifted human player could always triumph over the game’s AI, because software couldn’t improvise. It could either react randomly, or in a limited number of predetermined ways, based on a finite number of preprogrammed conditions. This was an axiom in videogames, and would be until humans invented true artificial intelligence.

Just out of curiosity, any computer-controlled Stooges here?
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God

The reports of My existence have been greatly exaggerated.

Everyone dies, but some people really should.

You know the ones.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but once you're through the gate it's entirely human skulls.

What else could it be?

Gays are born.
Lesbians are born.
Transgenders are born.

From memes for example.

At a certain point, shut up.

Instead of always focusing on your superficial differences, think of the things all people have in common, like the tendency to always focus on their superficial differences.

Well, it's a start, right?
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Paul Gauguin

A meter of green is greener than a centimeter.

Next up: all the other colors.

A nude by Degas is chaste. But his women wash in tubs!

You tell me.

Out in the sun, some painters are lined up. The first is copying nature, the second is copying the first, the third is copying the second... You see the sequence.

Uh, here too?

A critic is someone who meddles with something that is none of his business.

Why work? The gods are there to lavish upon the faithful the good gifts of nature.

As a philosopher he was a great painter.

In art, there are only two types of people: revolutionaries and plagiarists. And in the end, doesn't the revolutionary's work become official, once the State takes it over?

You know, or something like that.
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God

GREAT PRIME DAY DEALS AT AMAZON!!!
Median worker salary = only $29,007! Hour of minimum-wage labor = only$15!
Annual turnover rate = only 150%!
Unionized employees = [SORRY NONE IN STOCK]
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Prime days?

I love you unconditionally under certain circumstances.

Hmm, a category error?

What feels like losing control is actually your becoming more aware that you never had it.

If only from the cradle to the grave.

Artificial intelligence will never be a bigger threat to humanity than natural stupidity.

And who knows that better than us, right?

The more things change, the more they scare the shit out of everyone.

Piss too.

The first thing that happens in the afterlife is I make you sign a non-disclosure agreement.

And how ominous is that?
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Robert Mapplethorpe

The photographs that are art have to be separated from the rest - then preserved.

And isn't that practically a science now?

I am selfish, but that's an attribute that all artists possess.

Okay, but how selfish?

I stand naked when I draw. God holds my hand and we sing together.

The pro-gay God.

I think that it was a great advantage to go into photography not knowing much about it. Not thinking. I think one of the problems with many photographers today is that they never see for themselves, but just like everybody else.

Next up: thinking for yourself.
No, really.

Whether it's an orgy or a cocktail party, I know how to do it.

Like for some there's a difference.

This AIDS stuff is pretty scary. I hope I don't get it.

Of course the rest is history.
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tiny nietzsche

some enchanted thieving

And not just in the evening.

I am:
○ single
○ attached

I'd move on to the next one myself.

kierkegaard sun, camus moon, sartre rising

Yo, Lord Saturn!

bitcoined more than you could chew

Next up: bitbankrupt.

if you are in the future, please come get me

Also, the further out there the better.

Or, sure, sext.
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Laura Dave

...maybe just once in this life someone loves us for the us we don't even know how to be yet.

Don't you just hate that?

How do you explain it when you find in someone what you’ve been waiting for your whole life?

Let's not go there okay?

The calm can't last, not if you're really living. if you're living fully, the storms coming to get you.

A bunch of them even.

When you're willing to do the work, it's amazing what can be saved.

So they'll tell you.

Einstein said, So far as the theories of mathematics are about reality, they are not certain; so far as they are certain, they are not about reality.

Come on, Al, give us a break about some things.

If things were eventually going to work out, did it matter how you got there? Didn’t it ultimately just matter that you got the ending you wanted?

You mean not counting all the people you fucked over to get there?
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tiny nietzsche

toast is chaotic good. burnt toast is chaotic evil garbage

What's that make untoasted white bread filled with god knows how many chemicals then?

thursday is the beginning of friday

Okay, so, this being tuesday, when [exactly] does wednesday begin? At, say, the the Prime Meridian.

I don't know much about art, but I know what is stolen

Hell, I don't even know that.

History of art:
•things sorta looking like things
•things for God
•beautiful things
•ugly things
•anything

Piss on that!
Or, before it's art, in it.

critical abyss theory

An equal opportunity theory.

national geographic has named the fifth ocean surrounding antarctica. it will be called Billy

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Julius Caesar

Men in general are quick to believe that which they wish to be true.

I know, I know: what if that is actually true?!

The difference between a republic and an empire is the loyalty of one's army.

Or as Bob Dlyan once surmised:
"Democracy don't rule the world
This world is ruled by violence
But I guess that's better left unsaid"

I love the name of honor, more than I fear death.

Macho bullshit, right Pedro?

It's only hubris if I fail.

Ah, a pragmatist. Or, perhaps, a realist?

I love treason but hate a traitor.

If, for example, you know what he means.

What we wish, we readily believe, and what we ourselves think, we imagine others think also.

And no, infortunately, not just the Pinheads.
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thanks but i’ll be my own worst enemy

Though, sure, you can help me.

If only because I am not going to lend you mine.

is it cool if I channel my anxiety into being obsessed with you

Actually, I insist on it.

what the fuck is everything

Next up: everything else.

taking shit personally so i can feel like i matter

Now that's glum.

Come on, like it's not the other way around.
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Walter Isaacson

I was on one of my fruitarian diets" Steve Jobs recalled "I had just comeback from the apple farm. It sounded fun, spirited, and not intimidating. Apple took the edge of the word 'computer', plus it would get us a head of Atari in the phone book.

Well, the guy was a fucking genius, right?

Was he smart? No, not exceptionally. Instead, he was a genius. His imaginative leaps were instinctive, unexpected, and at times magical. He was, indeed, an example of what the mathematician Mark Kac called a magician genius, someone whose insights come out of the blue and require intuition more than mere mental processing power. Like a pathfinder, he could absorb information, sniff the winds, and sense what lay ahead.

Nope, no one like that here.
Unless of course you ask them.

One of Job's business rules was to never be afraid of cannibalizing yourself. " If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will," he said. So even though an Iphone might cannibalize sales of an IPod, or an IPad might cannibalize sales of a laptop, that did not deter him.

You know, as cannibals go.

Jobs had begun to drop acid by then, and he turned Brennan on to it as well, in a wheat field just outside Sunnyvale. "It was great," he recalled. "I had been listening to a lot of Bach. All of a sudden the whole field was playing Bach. It was the most wonderful feeling of my life up to that point. I felt like the conductor of this symphony with Bach coming through the wheat".

Now that takes me back. Well, sort of.

...he never finished any of the works he began because, so sublime was his idea of art, he saw faults even in the things that to others seemed miracles.

Unlike, say, the Leonardo da Pinheads here.

The goal was never to beat the competition, or to make a lot of money. It was to do the greatest thing possible, or even a little greater.

Smart phones? You tell me.
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the seven stages of getting out of bed

Why not an even ten?

rejoin society? honey, i never joined

Also: she never asked to be born.

what’s wrong with me: the musical

Soundtrack by Morrissey.

i mean, fuck everything kind of

Not much that will exclude.
Kind of.

well today is already destroyed so might as well fuck it up some more

You know, by posting this.

i don’t have self-esteem but i do have an ego

If you know what she means.
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Charlotte Bronte

I care for myself. The more solitary, the more friendless, the more unsustained I am, the more I will respect myself.

Hear! Hear!

If you don't love another living soul, then you'll never be disappointed.

Hear! Hear!

Men, in general, are a sort of scum, very different to anything of which you have an idea.

He wondered if that was still true.

Men judge us by the success of our efforts. God looks at the efforts themselves.

You know, if there is one.

Misery generates hate.

I know that mine does.

Neither birth nor sex forms a limit to genius.

What does then?
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Imagine sitting down for a meal and the food never stops coming out—that’s what perception is like.

insane socrates?

My depression says I will live another day.

On the other hand, give it time.

One person funerals are a waste of time.

Not unlike one person weddings.

Even death isn’t funny anymore.

When did that start for you?

I could change myself but I could also ignore myself.

And how the fuck could you do that, he wondered.

The less I know about myself the better.

Next up: the less I know about you.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Philip Seymour Hoffman

To act well isn't an easy thing.

Not unlike living itself.

In film, you have to let go sometimes.

Not unlike in life itself.

My soul is in good shape.

And now?

Something that could bring you wealth and fame could also be your end, your undoing.

He said prophetically.

You know the circus performer who spins the plates in the air you know, and he'll spin six or seven plates in the air? Acting sometimes is kind of that guy spinning all those plates in the air but in your head and in your body.

Next up: spinning plates here.

To have that concentration to act well is like lugging things up staircases in your brain. I think that’s a thing people don’t understand. It is that exhausting. If you’re doing it well, if you’re concentrating the way you need to, if your will and your concentration and emotional and imagination and emotional life are all in tune, concentrated and working together in that role, that is just like lugging weights upstairs with your head... And I don’t think that should get any easier.

I know, I know: imagine if it was like that here.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Philosophy Tweets

“The goal of life is living in agreement with Nature.” Zeno of Citium

Maia, meet Satyr.

“It is unrealistc to expect people to see you as you see yourself.” Epictetus

Easily the mother of all understatements.

“Distinctions drawn by the mind are not necessarily equivalent to distinctions in reality.”
Thomas Aquinas.

Starting with, say, God?

"The greatest wealth is health." Virgil

Maybe but wealth itself is always second.

"The fate of our times is characterized by rationalization and intellectualization and, above all, by the disenchantment of the world." Max Weber

Now that sure as shit hasn't changed.

“There's nothing in the world so demoralizing as money.” Sophocles

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Eugene Ionesco

The supreme trick of mass insanity is that it persuades you that the only abnormal person is the one who refuses to join in the madness of others, the one who tries vainly to resist. We will never understand totalitarianism if we do not understand that people rarely have the strength to be uncommon.

Yo, Mr. Fulminating Fanatic Objectivist!

It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.

Well, not mine, right?

If one does not understand the usefulness of the useless and the uselessness of the useful, one cannot understand art.

Whew! Thank god for philosophy, eh?

All cats die. Socrates is dead. Therefore Socrates is a cat.

Next up: Schrodinger's cat.

Childhood is the world of miracle and wonder; as if creation rose, bathed in the light, out of the darkness, utterly new and fresh and astonishing. The end of childhood is when things cease to astonish us.

Ah, Miners Mills!

Realism falls short of reality. It shrinks it, attenuates it, falsifies it; it does not take into account our basic truths and our fundamental obsessions: love, death, astonishment. It presents man in a reduced and estranged perspective. Truth is in our dreams, in the imagination.

Indeed! If only considerably less intellectually.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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