Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

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Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

Postby Maia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:28 pm

I've just completed my longest camping trip yet, a full ten days in North Wales, walking along the coastal route from Bangor to Aberdaron and back. I would have stayed longer if I could, especially since today's the solstice, but I had to get back for my booster jab this afternoon, which was booked before I left. North Wales is an amazing place, for those who don't know it. They all still speak Welsh as a first language there, and I met one girl, probably no more than about 16, who struggled to understand English. She was perfectly fluent in Welsh though, as I heard her speaking to her friends. As always, I try and talk to as many locals as I can, to get the feel of a place. Everyone round there is really friendly and helpful, and really welcoming too.
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Re: Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

Postby iambiguous » Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:49 pm

Another take on the Winter Solstice. Let's call it the "non-spiritual" narrative:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/scie ... er-21.html

On Dec. 21, or Tuesday this year, the sun will hug the horizon. For those of us in the Northern Hemisphere, it will seem to barely rise — hardly peeking above a city’s skyline or a forest’s snow-covered evergreens — before it swiftly sets.

For months, the orb’s arc across the sky has been slumping, shortening each day.

In New York City, for example, the sun will be in the sky for just over nine hours — roughly six hours less than in June at the summer solstice. The winter solstice marks the shortest day of the year, before the sun reverses course and climbs higher into the sky. (At the same time, places like Australia in the Southern Hemisphere mark the summer solstice, the longest day of the year.)

This is a good opportunity to imagine what such a day might look like if we had evolved on another planet where the sun would take a different dance across the sky. You might want to feel thankful for the solstices and seasons we do have, or we might not be here to witness them at all.

The solstices occur because most planets do not spin upright, or perpendicular to their orbits.

The Earth, for example, slouches 23.5 degrees on a tilted axis. This leaves the planet’s North Pole pointed toward the North Star over relatively long periods of time, even as Earth makes its yearlong migration around the sun. That means the Northern Hemisphere will spend half the year tilted slightly toward the sun, bathing in direct sunlight during summer’s long, blissful days, and half the year cooling off as it leans slightly away from the sun during winter’s short, frigid days. Dec. 21 marks the day when the North Pole is most tilted away from the sun.

But every planet slouches at different angles.

ImageThe axial tilt of Venus is so extreme that the planet is essentially flipped upside down with its South Pole pointing up.
The axial tilt of Venus is so extreme that the planet is essentially flipped upside down with its South Pole pointing up.Credit...NASA/JPL
The axial tilt of Venus, for example, is so extreme — 177 degrees — that the planet is essentially flipped upside down with its South Pole pointing up. Perhaps counter-intuitively, that means that there’s very little tilt to its upside-down spin and its hemispheres will never dramatically point toward or away from the sun. As such, the sun’s dance across the sky will remain relatively stable — shifting by a mere six degrees over the course of a Venusian year.

Had we evolved on Venus, it’s likely that we would not have noticed solstices or seasons at all, said David Grinspoon, an astrobiologist at the Planetary Science Institute.

The same can’t be said for imaginary aliens living within Uranus’s chilly blue clouds.

“Uranus is wild,” Dr. Grinspoon said.

An axial tilt of 98 degrees causes the ice giant to spin on its side. So, whereas one of Earth’s poles leans slightly toward the sun at solstice, one of Uranus’s poles points almost directly toward the sun at solstice — as though poised to make a perfect bullseye. That means that one hemisphere will bask under the sun both day and night, while the other will experience a frigid and dark winter and not catch a glimpse of the sun for that entire season.

Two images of the same view of Uranus made by NASA’s Voyager 2 in 1986. The false-color image on the right shows how Uranus’s pole points towards the sun, its axis tilting at 98 degrees.
Two images of the same view of Uranus made by NASA’s Voyager 2 in 1986. The false-color image on the right shows how Uranus’s pole points towards the sun, its axis tilting at 98 degrees.Credit...NASA/JPL
“It really can’t get any more extreme than that,” said Heidi Hammel, a planetary scientist at the Planetary Society.

Such a tilt on Earth would mean that the Arctic Circle didn’t begin 66 degrees north of the Equator, but at the Equator itself. All of North America, Europe, Asia and half of Africa would spend winters in permanent darkness and summers under constant sunlight. And on Uranus, which takes 84 Earth years to orbit the sun, these seasons last for decades.

“If there were creatures on Uranus — and I don’t think there are — seasonal affective disorder would be a lifetime thing,” Dr. Hammel said.

But the king of extreme seasons is Pluto.

What We’ve Learned About Pluto
One year after NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft had its quick, close-up look at Pluto, scientists are reaping the scientific rewards.

When NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft arrived at the dwarf planet in 2015, scientists discovered a unique world overflowing with surface features that look like networks of drainage channels and even a frozen lake. But given Pluto’s low atmospheric pressure and chilly surface temperature, liquids cannot flow across the surface — at least not today. “That can’t happen in the current environment,” said Alan Stern, the principal investigator of the mission. “So, neither the channels nor the lake can be.”

Scientists now have an explanation: seasons in Pluto’s past pushed atmospheric pressure high enough to allow liquids of methane and nitrogen to flow and pool on the surface.

A changing axial tilt is the biggest driver of wildly varying seasons on Pluto. Over the course of 4 million years, Pluto’s slouch shifts back and forth between 102 and 126 degrees, causing its equivalent of an Arctic Circle to grow and shrink. That occasionally creates seasons where the atmospheric pressure is high enough that liquid methane and nitrogen can flow.

Although, astronomers remain uncertain how a planet’s seasons might affect its likelihood to host life, Dr. Grinspoon argues that such dramatic swings — like those on Pluto — are likely a hindrance because they can make a planet unfit to live on for long stretches of time. “Life needs a continuously habitable zone to thrive,” he said. Similarly, astronomers have long suspected that life would likely not survive on Earth should it have an axial tilt more akin to Uranus.

So, as the sun reaches its farthest point in the sky on Dec. 21, be grateful. Never will the sun dip so far below the horizon that it plunges half of the globe into a monthslong night and the other half into an equally long summer. Nor does Earth’s tilt change drastically over millions of years, thanks to the influence of the moon. Instead, the sun appears to trot back and forth between the extremes, like the pendulum of a great clock, keeping the planet cozy while steadily counting off its years.
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Re: Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

Postby Maia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:42 pm

Proof, I think, that the eart is perfect for our needs. Which is only to be expected, since we evolved on it and are part of it.
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Re: Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Maia wrote:Proof, I think, that the eart is perfect for our needs. Which is only to be expected, since we evolved on it and are part of it.


Yes, what some call the Goldilocks Effect. Which, of course, some then attribute to a God, the God, my God.

But, instead, to the extent it is merely embedded in the brute facticity of nature here on Earth, it is nothing more than the laws of matter creating different astronomical realities on different planets.

Still, there are those who go beyond that. The Equinoxes and the Solstices become part of their "spiritual" understanding of the world they live in. They link them to human interactions in ways that those like me do not.

From my own subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein, it's just one more manifestation of the "human condition" that allows them to connect everything together such that their own personal existence is not just essentially meaningless and purposeless...but is on par with something that allows them to anchor "I" in that which is bigger than all of us. Something that through nature or "the universe", ties them altogether in this spiritual bonding.

Some even go so far as to link it to things like their moral narratives...even their political agendas. It all becomes deeply intertwined in one or another True Path. For some only on this side of the grave, but, for others, on both sides.

It's what "I" call the "psychology of objectivism".
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Re: Ten-day camping trip and happy solstice!

Postby Maia » Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:05 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Maia wrote:Proof, I think, that the eart is perfect for our needs. Which is only to be expected, since we evolved on it and are part of it.


Yes, what some call the Goldilocks Effect. Which, of course, some then attribute to a God, the God, my God.

But, instead, to the extent it is merely embedded in the brute facticity of nature here on Earth, it is nothing more than the laws of matter creating different astronomical realities on different planets.

Still, there are those who go beyond that. The Equinoxes and the Solstices become part of their "spiritual" understanding of the world they live in. They link them to human interactions in ways that those like me do not.

From my own subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein, it's just one more manifestation of the "human condition" that allows them to connect everything together such that their own personal existence is not just essentially meaningless and purposeless...but is on par with something that allows them to anchor "I" in that which is bigger than all of us. Something that through nature or "the universe", ties them altogether in this spiritual bonding.

Some even go so far as to link it to things like their moral narratives...even their political agendas. It all becomes deeply intertwined in one or another True Path. For some only on this side of the grave, but, for others, on both sides.

It's what "I" call the "psychology of objectivism".


For me, there's no distinction between the spiritual and physical worlds. To suggest that there's a distinction is a very modern idea, and, in my opinion, an artificial one.
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