Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

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Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:36 am

Is this the appropriate forum to initiate a book discussion on Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”? I will start reading it tomorrow. WK translation for me.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:58 pm

WK says Nietzsche was “silent” after his split (I merely grazed introduction to volume in which this is embedded). I recall reading elsewhere he was writing, but from madness, and heavily edited by his sister.

I need access to those writings.

Further, WK lied.

Further still, academia’s historical revisionism does a disservice to the name of education. So many thinkers were Christians or became so, and it’s downplayed if it’s even mentioned.

I have nothing further to say until that changes (writing papers with that mindset is challenging, let me tell ya!!). Until then it’s all just thought control in a cave of shadow puppets. Garbage.

I have said my piece/peace and counted to three.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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- Irenaeus
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:29 pm

Revisited C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” last night. Now I know why a certain person wanted me to read him & Schopenhauer. Decades.

Prolly won’t comment further.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:24 am

Finished. Wish this had been my first exposure. I cried more with this than Kant.

See C.S. Lewis & JRR Tolkein on “true myth”.

Thank you.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:07 pm

Seems sincere.



It moves me in general to think of Nietzsche, the task he set for himself and took on, and recklessly accomplished.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:17 am

[quote="Ichthus77"]WK says Nietzsche was “silent” after his split (I merely grazed introduction to volume in which this is embedded). I recall reading elsewhere he was writing, but from madness, and heavily edited by his sister.

I need access to those writings.

Further, WK lied.

K: having read most everything Kaufman has written, one needs to be clear,
how exactly did WK lie? In what book did WK lie? please feel free to point out
exactly where he lied....

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to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:08 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:WK says Nietzsche was “silent” after his split (I merely grazed introduction to volume in which this is embedded). I recall reading elsewhere he was writing, but from madness, and heavily edited by his sister.

I need access to those writings.

Further, WK lied.

K: having read most everything Kaufman has written, one needs to be clear,
how exactly did WK lie? In what book did WK lie? please feel free to point out
exactly where he lied....

Kropotkin


Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:WK says Nietzsche was “silent” after his split (I merely grazed introduction to volume in which this is embedded). I recall reading elsewhere he was writing, but from madness, and heavily edited by his sister.

I need access to those writings.

Further, WK lied.

K: having read most everything Kaufman has written, one needs to be clear,
how exactly did WK lie? In what book did WK lie? please feel free to point out
exactly where he lied....

Kropotkin


I can’t find it now, but it probably wasn’t W.K. as the only place it is mentioned by him (that I could find) actually acknowledges the suppressed works & that they are edited by N’s sister. This is embarrassing.

Whoever said it actually used the word “silent”… I had assumed it was WK, translator. False. I will edit if it allows me (edit: It doesn’t. Grace period expired.).
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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- Irenaeus
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:54 pm

The books N wrote about Wagner, finally give a sense that his loss of admiration for the later does reflect in some part a split without abd within his soul, as he became more in alignment with the outre, the French particularly semblance to Voltaire.

This shift from the Dionesian musical source to a more Appolonian sense of understanding, may give the impression of rising from ashes that may not have been generally intended .

Or? Other things, may have keyed into an indefatigable treasure trove of goodies.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:53 pm

N sought a more transformative approach, I believe, something on par with his spiritual abilities, the existential force of his mind.
Wagner held a lot of alluring concepts and weaved them with majestic skill and confidence, but he created quite contemporary forms, in terms of the tastes involved; Nietzsche sought to recreate, or reboot, in a sense, the entire phenomenon of cultural taste.

His mind works quite like the fire and ice of Germanic creation myth; the way N juxtaposes Apollon and Dionysos produces a sheer yawning chasm, a background for a world-birth.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:44 pm

Possibly stupid question, but was Alexandrianism supposed to be the synthesis? And yet Greenberg felt avant garde was a turning away from synthesis?

Ehh nm. Too much on my plate.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:09 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Possibly stupid question, but was Alexandrianism supposed to be the synthesis? And yet Greenberg felt avant garde was a turning away from synthesis?

Ehh nm. Too much on my plate.
ahem..... Too much or, too little.



What are the signs impending, or impending signs of bracketed structural crossroads, where every one cam be assured.. Not to verge from the road less traveled?

Are there blade running idiots hiding behind every corner?
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:42 pm

You are hilarious. Anyway.

What that triggers in my brain is that I may be the one working stuff out in fear & trembling, but he is the author & perfector. Just like in “normal” relationships, whether between people or protons…and there’s something weiiiiird about iron (maybe just so he could say iron sharpens iron lol?). There must be individuation or there can be no … together.

Double-edged … that’s why it’s gotta be a Hebrews 4:12 thing.

*runs away phenomenologically*
*gets blood everywhere*
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:44 pm

John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, where else would we go? You have the words of life.“
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:04 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, where else would we go? You have the words of life.“



Reminds of the playbook, ( just discovered ) titled , 'The Song of Roland' available from WWNorton; buy a guy F.Goldin ; author also of 'The Mirror of Narcissus in the Courtly Love Lyric' ; both of which I really need to find time for.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:03 pm

My book mountain goes up and eclipses the moon. If I added another, something bad would happen.

I’m on Silmarillion. Tolkein gets the perfect subsuming the permissive. He gets the synthesis. All the Inklings did. May or may not make a new thread to discuss. Feeling sort of. I dunno.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:33 am

Ichthus77 wrote:My book mountain goes up and eclipses the moon. If I added another, something bad would happen.

I’m on Silmarillion. Tolkein gets the perfect subsuming the permissive. He gets the synthesis. All the Inklings did. May or may not make a new thread to discuss. Feeling sort of. I dunno.




Hope to sustain some semblance to hilarity, if nothing else. Courtly love may have ssemblance to a courtly jest
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:03 am

You’re killing me, smalls.

Best I can do.
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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:15 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:You’re killing me, smalls.

Best I can do.



Guess it's good enuf-for now. & I like diminutives better than the reverse.but then again , would plead no contest here; if it was a court of public opinion.
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Re: Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:45 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:You’re killing me, smalls.

Best I can do.



Guess it's good enuf-for now. & I like diminutives better than the reverse.but then again , would plead no contest here; if it was a court of public opinion.


oh no that was def the inverse. of every single word.

Jk. Opposite day. So fun.
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