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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:02 am

Remember, though, long before Venice was a thing, everything west of the Urals was Rome.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:22 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
MagsJ wrote:None really (that’s a lot of noise/too much going on/too much melody), but I do find the second-to-last song the most palatable.

I liked the Black Panthers. I would buy a ticket to their show without hesitation, and would pay extra for scalped tickets.

Hahaha!

I’ll listen to, and thus entertain, any and all music.. whether I like it or not is another matter altogether.

It’s not the worst out there, by far.. but I wouldn’t go out of my way to listen to them, though after having just now skimmed-through their linked videos again, I admit that they do have 'a vibe'. ; )
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby perpetualburn » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:57 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Can you post some Italian ballads that you find enjoyable? I don't have a high opinion of post 20th century Italian music but that might be because I'm blind to the good stuff.







I get where you're coming from though... A lot of these Italian love ballads have a very stereotypical Italian sound... very catchy, nice melodies but too commercial or superficial sounding... almost cloyingly emotional....

I like this cover "Gigi D'gostino - i'll fly with you" in Italian:



I'm surprised there aren't more covers of such a popular song in native Italian
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby perpetualburn » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:14 pm

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:28 pm


Now that’s more like it!

Villagers of Ioannina City is a folk rock band from Ioannina, Greece, formed in 2007. They play post, stoner and psychedelic rock with a large dose of Greek folk music from the region of Epirus.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:21 pm

perpetualburn wrote:I get where you're coming from though... A lot of these Italian love ballads have a very stereotypical Italian sound... very catchy, nice melodies but too commercial or superficial sounding... almost cloyingly emotional....


Thanks for the songs. They indeed sound stereotypically Italian to me. But note that I am perfectly fine with things such as sentimentality, commercial appeal, derivative work, simplicity and so on. These are most definitely not the reasons why I find modern Italian ballads uninteresting. It's the melody that I find uninteresting; or rather, the feeling that they are trying to convey. As to why, I don't really know.

To demonstrate my point, here is a Bosnian Western-leaning love song from late 70's that I absolutely adore despite it being quite sentimental, highly popular, rather simple and not particularly original.



As far as I'm concerned, this is timeless -- I can't get tired of it.

I know nothing about the origin of this song. Is it Italian? It doesn't sound Italian to me. Is it Austrian? Hungarian? Slavic? French? I know that it isn't Greek.

Another, somewhat similar, Bosnian ballad that I like, albeit to a lesser extent, is Sava tiho tece. I know for a fact that this one is derived, though not directly, from Polish song Hej, sokoły. So maybe, and only maybe, I'm used to Slavic melodies . . .
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:36 pm

perpetualburn wrote:I like this cover "Gigi D'gostino - i'll fly with you" in Italian:



I'm surprised there aren't more covers of such a popular song in native Italian


This one definitely stands out. It sounds like a lot of trance music. Isn't Gigi a bit of a trance DJ? Trance music (not the original, primitive, kind) has melodies that are very appealing to me.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:53 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
MagsJ wrote:..not necessarily 'cheerful' is required, as a preference.
MagsJ wrote:None really (that’s a lot of noise/too much going on/too much melody), but I do find the second-to-last song the most palatable.

Most of the music in the Eastern camp is either very-to-extremely cheerful or it's on the sad side (but never extremely.) Very few of it lies somewhere in between.

There’s a lot of ballads, in European music.. I’ve never been a fan of the 'ballad', so that may well be influencing my decisions here..

Perhaps we should look into the Western camp. The Western camp consists of music that is closer to Western music as well as whatever is popular in the West at that time.

Tara is trying to imitate Rihanna, so her music might be more pleasant to you.

Tara & Angellina - Gad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb2Qkz43zC8

Tara - Vidi vidi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b0efxNiTU8

This one is a bit more intense. Note that it sounds sort of like that Turkic song that I posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILWULTkm2c

I’ve not listened to Rihanna in a long while.. I like only a handful of her (edgiest) songs, out of her 'many', so Rihanna-sounding songs won’t sway their pleasurability for me, either way.

I guess I just like 'edgy'. :D
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:11 am

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:14 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Of course, complex rhythms aren't a monopoly of Africa.

There are even heavier, more complex ones, but I can't find them anymore. And probably with melodies that would be more familiar to your ear.



I think Ukraine, if you know where to look, has some pretty deep rhythms.


That sounds like Balkan music -- and I like it. Romanian and Moldovan folk music sounds very much like South Slavic and Greek music -- at times even indistinguishable. I don't know much about Ukrainian music but Balkan music is known to be quite rhythmic. I'd play this kind of music in pubs and on national TV.

A set of what seems to be covers or interpretations of what is allegedly Thracian folk music made by Arany Zoltan (Hungarian, I suppose?)



The peak of this song, which is Greek Mandilatos, is absolutely wonderful; though the rest of the song, particularly that fiddle part that starts around 0:50, is no less.



Another Thracian folk song, this time performed by what seems to be French musicians. The singing in this one sounds very much Bulgarian.

A different version of the same song, performed live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emiE-SaSyGI

There's something quite charming about her performance.

And here's something that is not complex, not clearly Thracian in origin and not clearly inspired by traditional music from the Balkans but that is still somewhat similar to the above songs. Written by Dalmatians.

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:08 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:A set of what seems to be covers or interpretations of what is allegedly Thracian folk music made by Arany Zoltan (Hungarian, I suppose?)


This is excellent. One often hears those rhythms and they feel artificial and forced. Here they feel natural and bouncy. I like it a lot. And yes, I hear the resonance with the Romanian-Moldovan-Hungarian folk music I know. There is almost a trace of Caribean music, which is probably an indication of similar environmental pressures.

I like it a lot.

Magnus Anderson wrote:Another Thracian folk song, this time performed by what seems to be French musicians. The singing in this one sounds very much Bulgarian.


Ditto.

Very nice. In a lot of ways it is like a cleaner Csango rhythm.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:14 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote: I don't know much about Ukrainian music


I'll keep digging. I know I have it around here somewhere...
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby perpetualburn » Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:23 pm

As a pillar of rising smoke did my angel condescend and appear, standing without reserve on the exhausted banks of infinite sorrow.

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:49 pm

One of the currently trending songs in the Western Erueope that I can actually listen to.

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:44 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:The point is that it is rhythmically driven. The rhythm itself has to be relatively simple, because the art is the metric, the poetry.


It's rhythmically driven, that's for sure, though I'm not sure the simplicity is a necessary restraint. And even then, I'm not sure the issue is simplicity versus complexity; I think the problem is quite simply that the music isn't all that interesting. I can forgive lack of originality -- their tendency to reuse other people's music, for example -- but I can't forgive lack of quality.

War is armed people trying to kill eachother. It then can get progressively more organized. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.


Yes, you can say that, but my point is that their kind of war isn't particularly interesting kind of war. As such, it's not the kind of war that I like to see in art. Beauty has always been the purpose of art, and by generalizing that concept, you can arrive at the conclusion that the purpose of art is to represent the ideal world. That includes physical conflicts between groups, since that's part of it, but not any kind of war. That is my issue, if you're willing to appreciate it.

Yes, this pretty much hits the nail on the head. There is a difference between what people who have never participated in violence feel violence probably sounds like (like Wagner fans), and what violence actually sounds like. If you are unfamiliar with it, you may enjoy the imaginings of others that are also unfamiliar with it. I'm not saying it's worthless, there are plenty of power metal songs I enjoy, but there is always some level of cringe to it. Or maybe a sweetness is a better word.


I think you're forgetting that we're talking about art and that art isn't supposed to represent any random bit of reality -- or any reality for that matter. Art is entirely about representing what is lacking in reality -- whether that's something that exists but is for whatever inaccessible (e.g. because it is rare), something that used to exist but no longer does or something that never existed but is desired. Looking from that angle, it makes sense for war to have idealistic rather than realistic representations in art. I not only have no problem with that, I think that's precisely the goal of art and that everything else is a huge mistake comitted by people who have no artistic talent, who are at best technically proficient, but who nonetheless, for various reasons, dabble in art. Art isn't history, and as such, it isn't supposed to represent real events with as much accuracy as possible. Those parts of the world that are ugly, e.g. those that involve irrational behavior, may have historical value but they have no artistic value whatsoever. And don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with being a historian, but don't confuse it with being an artist.

The point that I am trying to get across is that the main protagonist of a story should be a knight rather than a thug. Or rather, he is allowed to be a thug only under the condition that his character is developed into something greater. It should not be presented as greatness itself. I don't see that in rap. And whenever a piece of music, or a work of art in general, is promoted on the ground of being realistic (e.g. because it is accurately representing ghetto life or because it's sending positive messages) rather than idealistic, I have to wonder who stands behind it and for what reason; it reeks of propaganda.

When in an actual situation of violence that needs resolving, the line between mentally deranged and highly effective gets blurred very fast. That is the type of truth only rap manages to articulate. Because rap is written by people who are considerably more likely to be familiar with that type of situation, and with the conscious aim to reflect it.


They are also pushing for obese protagonists, transsexual protagonists, ugly protagonists, dumb protagonists, mentally deranged protagonists and so on. They have a system in place that ensures that this is precisely what people are going to do -- write stories that idealize things that aren't ideal. And they aren't asking people to write stories about people who, despite being flawed in some ways (e.g. despite being physically deformed and hideous to look at), have certain qualities thanks to which they end up succeeding in their lives. No, they are literally asking people to idealize things that aren't ideal. They want you, for example, to write stories where males are physically attracted to obese women. That's the push. And if you don't go along with it, people will complain and your job as a writer will be jeopardized. And I have no reason to think that rap music, and all that gangster culture, isn't part of it.

Rap wasn't designed. Rap has more in common with (American) Indian bonfire ritual retellings of battle than with classical composition. It came about with the need to communicate on these themes with style, which is art.


Except that art isn't, has never been, about communicating real life experiences -- with or without style. This is evident from the fact that when you engage with a piece of art you are not doing so in order to hear what someone else has to say. Albeit I can understand why people think so. Given that the entire entertainment industry is part of the propaganda machine, I suppose it's in their interest to promote the idea that the point of art is to "communicate ideas" in order to make it easier for their subjects to swallow and spread their ideas propaganda.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby perpetualburn » Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:01 pm

When in an actual situation of violence that needs resolving, the line between mentally deranged and highly effective gets blurred very fast. That is the type of truth only rap manages to articulate. Because rap is written by people who are considerably more likely to be familiar with that type of situation, and with the conscious aim to reflect it.


What are you smoking? The hellish chaos of war is much better articulated in death metal than rap. Rap simply is not more warlike than metal. There are some hard hitting rap songs for sure, but as a genre compared to metal?... are you fucking kidding me? And to say black people are more familiar with violence and thus rap is more warlike is another ridiculous statement with no bearing on reality. White people are by far more violent (and it's a more sophisticated violence ) than black people as a whole. In white societies there is a far greater tension between civility and barbarism than what you see in third world societies which are only more "violent" in terms of street crime (not in terms of their capacity for waging war). This distinction becomes even more refined when you compare western to eastern Europe (western Europe being more sophisticated than eastern Europe (that includes even Russia).
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Alf » Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:57 pm

Tasavallan Presidentti (Eero Raittinen, Pekka Pöyry, Vesa Aaltonen, Jukka Talonen, Heikki Virtanen), "Caught from the Air", 1974.

Enjoy it!



The singer of the band is singing a bit in English - sorry ! -, but the band is from Finland and reminds me of the North of Europe in 1974. :D =D>

I like it very much!

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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With no intention whatsoever, and to my surprise, this is 4th song composed by Zeljko Joksimovic that I posted in this thread.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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"Vranje suite" performed by Ensemble "Kolo". Beyond charming.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Tue May 10, 2022 8:37 pm

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This Intro tho.. :romance-admire:



..which reminds me of this [equally excellent] intro..

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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Wed May 11, 2022 8:50 pm

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-613 ... 1F933C408C Can’t say I’ve watched it, in years..

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Nearly 200 million viewers are expected to watch the Eurovision Song Contest being held in the country after Måneskin won last year's competition.

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Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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