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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:06 pm

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I know this is in English, so do excuse me, but it really is a very beautiful day..

Went out, bought provisions for the cat and I, and it was truly beautiful out.

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:22 pm

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:58 pm

Pedro wrote:Very nice. Strongly reminicent of religious chants. Religion, of course, and war, being inseparable.


It's an Orthodox Christian hymn, and yes, it's great (:

Here's another one by Divna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuqQC3CQqVM

It's pity it's so short.

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This man would have no problem torturing information out of a prisoner.


That's another good one, one that is obviously influenced by Greek music, as once can tell from the rhythm they employ in the chorus coupled with that guitar that sounds like bouzouki. There are also obvious similarities to Turkish, Arabic, Byzantine and Egyptian music, mostly in the way he sings. Despite all of that, this piece of music sounds predominantly European to me -- Greek, specifically.

When we're at Greece, here's a bouzuki piece that I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0MzXBxXL8

And here's an interesting lively one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGmn-xyTsYc
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:25 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:That's another good one, one that is obviously influenced by Greek music, as once can tell from the rhythm they employ in the chorus coupled with that guitar that sounds like bouzouki. There are also obvious similarities to Turkish, Arabic, Byzantine and Egyptian music, mostly in the way he sings. Despite all of that, this piece of music sounds predominantly European to me -- Greek, specifically.


There's also something strongly Roman about it. Very similar to Italian ballads. Maybe there is such a thing as a wider Mediterranean sound. The sea inspires certain sounds.

Magnus Anderson wrote:When we're at Greece, here's a bouzuki piece that I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0MzXBxXL8


Very very nice.

Magnus Anderson wrote:Here's another one by Divna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuqQC3CQqVM


One feels the dramatic instrumentation rather takes than adds. But maybe I am predisposed from having heard the chant before.



This shit is heavy metal. The good folk music, almost anywhere in the world, is always heavy metal.

Magnus Anderson wrote:There are also obvious similarities to Turkish, Arabic, Byzantine and Egyptian music,


Look, there's no need to be shy about this, there is also the simple fact that basically all instrumentation we have comes from the Arab world, when not actually directly from some African place. Iranian, Arab, even Mongolian. Sometimes you will hear a Japanese flute song and think instantly of Arabic pieces.

Not for that reason is it all any less European.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:27 pm

I like about the Balkan world and sorrounds that they retained a lot of the 1/8th notes of Arab music, but manages to remain European. Rich, but not molasses like Arabic.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:53 pm

Pedro wrote:And another thing, there is nothing even vaguely rhythmically complex about a David Bowie song. By God.


Hey, I never said that. I merely said that African music can be rhytmically complex -- and it often is. "Rebel Rebel" isn't exactly African. It's an instance of European music that has been ruined by various influences, among them, I'd say, African-American music. That song is literally just a single riff repeated tirelessly with Bowie singing over it in an annoying way. The chorus barely distinguishes itself from the rest of the song.

African music is no doubt more interesting than that -- at least some of it. This is pretty fun in comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O7_-_iA1cc#t=5m29s

The singing can be a bit distracting at times -- it depends on the particular piece, I guess -- but the drums are where all the fun lies. What I find interesting the most is that I find absolutely nothing weird about this kind of music. It sounds perfectly natural -- unlike say Middle Eastern music that sounds quite creepy.

Let's Dance is less melodic, less European, more African and . . . more interesting.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:32 pm

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Why are Eastern-European songs so self-deprecating/depressing?
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:11 pm

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Moderné! What ya think Pedro?

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:25 pm

Of course, complex rhythms aren't a monopoly of Africa.

There are even heavier, more complex ones, but I can't find them anymore. And probably with melodies that would be more familiar to your ear.



I think Ukraine, if you know where to look, has some pretty deep rhythms.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby perpetualburn » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:39 am

Magnus Anderson wrote: unlike say Middle Eastern music that sounds quite creepy.


the fuck...

Do you know any songs in Turkish or Arabic where the language actually sounds pleasing to the ear?

Anyways...Persian FTW



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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:47 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Why are Eastern-European songs so self-deprecating/depressing?


Southeastern European music is divided into several camps, the two major camps being Western and Eastern camp. What I've been posting here falls into the Eastern camp, and even then, I've been posting only what I like or is otherwise interesting to me. That said, it's not representative of the whole.

If you want cheerful music from the Eastern camp, here is some.

Zeljko Joksimovic - Sedam sedam godina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e_DErbn2xQ

Black Panthers - Kakvu Zenu Imam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWxBcbcGlw

Black Panthers - Ja Baraba, A Ti Vila
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh5WtfS0-uU

Black Panthers - Mi Amor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0PzQnMO7A

Very interesting. That bridge at 0:39 is precious.

Osvajaci - Vino crveno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3bVfJ93AkU

If I recall correctly, this is a Serbian cover of a Greek song but I'm not able to find the original (scratch that, here it is.)

Aca Lukas - Istina je da te lazem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_87Ai7L-tA

Another Serbian cover. Original.

Amadeus Band - Kupi me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgj-2769O8

This one doesn't really fit the Eastern camp but it's at least cheerful.

And there are many more . . . these are just a few.

Which one do you like the most?
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:46 am

perpetualburn wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote: unlike say Middle Eastern music that sounds quite creepy.


the fuck...

Do you know any songs in Turkish or Arabic where the language actually sounds pleasing to the ear?


How about this?



A version sang by a Persian guy:



Still, I like this kind of Turks better:



Anyways...Persian FTW



"It would have been much more fortunate had the Persians become masters of the Greeks, rather than have the Romans of all people assume that role" -Nietzsche


Nice.

How about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKuEqBIRbFM

Ancient music seems to be remarkably good regardless of where it comes from.

An Ancient Greek piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iLPS1Q5cQ8

Very Japanese.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:22 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Why are Eastern-European songs so self-deprecating/depressing?

Southeastern European music is divided into several camps, the two major camps being Western and Eastern camp. What I've been posting here falls into the Eastern camp, and even then, I've been posting only what I like or is otherwise interesting to me. That said, it's not representative of the whole.

If you want cheerful music from the Eastern camp, here is some.

..not necessarily 'cheerful' is required, as a preference.

Zeljko Joksimovic - Sedam sedam godinar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e_DErbn2xQ

Black Panthers - Kakvu Zenu Imam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWxBcbcGlw

Black Panthers - Ja Baraba, A Ti Vila
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh5WtfS0-uU

Black Panthers - Mi Amor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0PzQnMO7A

Very interesting. That bridge at 0:39 is precious.

Osvajaci - Vino crveno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3bVfJ93AkU

If I recall correctly, this is a Serbian cover of a Greek song but I'm not able to find the original (scratch that, here it is.)

Aca Lukas - Istina je da te lazem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_87Ai7L-tA

Another Serbian cover. Original.

Amadeus Band - Kupi me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgj-2769O8

This one doesn't really fit the Eastern camp but it's at least cheerful.

And there are many more . . . these are just a few.

Which one do you like the most?

None really (that’s a lot of noise/too much going on/too much melody), but I do find the second-to-last song the most palatable.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:33 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:An Ancient Greek piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iLPS1Q5cQ8

Very Japanese.

..this.

Very 'temple music'.. Babylonian sounding.. reminiscent of something out of a Conan film.

“..the compositional method revolves around the use of the Ancient Greek Dorian mode (equivalent to today's Phrygian mode) with an abundance of skips within the mode, which produces a pentatonic-like effect commonly attested in surviving Ancient Greek music. As was the case with most Ancient Greek music, it is primarily monophonic with only slight hints of heterophony provided by the strings of the base note of the mode providing a rhythmic drone, which some reconstructions attest was used in Ancient Greek music of the Hellenistic and Roman eras.”
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:40 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:How about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1HD-Pmuo2A


Was kinda shocked by how good this was.

Magnus Anderson wrote:An Ancient Greek piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iLPS1Q5cQ8

Very Japanese.


Actually remarkable. Of course, more of a modern composition doing its best to stick to ancient Greek standards. But the similarity is astounding.

MagsJ wrote:None really (that’s a lot of noise/too much going on/too much melody), but I do find the second-to-last song the most palatable.


I liked the Black Panthers. I would buy a ticket to their show without hesitation, and would pay extra for scalped tickets.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:53 pm

It feels like the piano spelled the death of the harp in Europe, but there are still places where variations of them survive, and are used to produce sounds which the popular imagination would not suspect.

However, they also sound very nice when they do:



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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:54 pm

She's working the pedals too, watch for the knobs holding the strings for when they move.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:11 pm

MagsJ wrote:..not necessarily 'cheerful' is required, as a preference.


None really (that’s a lot of noise/too much going on/too much melody), but I do find the second-to-last song the most palatable.


Most of the music in the Eastern camp is either very-to-extremely cheerful or it's on the sad side (but never extremely.) Very few of it lies somewhere in between.

Perhaps we should look into the Western camp. The Western camp consists of music that is closer to Western music as well as whatever is popular in the West at that time.

Tara is trying to imitate Rihanna, so her music might be more pleasant to you.

Tara & Angellina - Gad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb2Qkz43zC8

Tara - Vidi vidi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b0efxNiTU8

This one is a bit more intense. Note that it sounds sort of like that Turkic song that I posted.

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:11 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:


Omg.
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:53 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:

Omg.

:lol:
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:29 am

Pedro wrote:There's also something strongly Roman about it. Very similar to Italian ballads. Maybe there is such a thing as a wider Mediterranean sound. The sea inspires certain sounds.


Can you post some Italian ballads that you find enjoyable? I don't have a high opinion of post 20th century Italian music but that might be because I'm blind to the good stuff.

The Western camp of South Slavic music has a lot of Italian inspired music in it presumably because it spread from Venetian ruled Dalmatia. Croatians might be proud of their Western sounding folk music but all I feel is pity.

Here's an example of Dalmatian music:

Ultima Partenca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3gqEBIWFsc

If it weren't for that powerful chorus, this piece would be completely uninteresting to me. It's pity because it's gentle to the ears -- there's no harsh instrumentation, for example.

Here's another one. This one might be more representative of the genre. It looks and sounds very cultured but it ultimately fails with respect to my taste.

Ostavljam vas moji najdrazi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxaztIyHDSc

And now, for a change, a modern Italian ballad.

Il Volo - Grande Amore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1f6o1HQBvg

Compare the above three to this predominantly Balkan song:

Legende - Ne pitaj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uer2kYtY9To

Infinitely more soulful.

Do we really need Italians to tell us how to make music?
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Re: Songs that remind you of Europe

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:49 am

I'm afraid it's just snippets of memory, you will have to assume it is a lie. But the video I reposted was instantly familiar to me the first time you posted it. I tried at that time to find what it reminded me so much of, but it was never music I myself sought out so I didn't know any names or specific references and couldn't find it.

Maybe just to say that the Italian ballads you have posted belong in a lady's chamber, the ones I remember belong in a tavern.

It may not even have been Italian, but South American and inspired and composed by or by sons of Italian immigrants.

I might give it another go some time.
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