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listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:34 pm

I was led into really listening to the Beatles by comments
about how bad Ringo was at being a drummer...
so I focused on the music trying to see if this was true...
but in doing so, something else happened....
most of the Beatles music is really not much more then
easy listening..... "Yesterday" for example is almost
the perfect elevator music... how much of their music
is actually rock? and the answer is not much...

each band has a strength, "The Who" for example, their strength
is the fact that each musician in the band is a world class musician...
both Entwistle and Moon are considered to be, perhaps the best ever
at their respective instruments, the bass and the Drums...
Townsend is top 20 guitar player and the weak link is Daltry
and he is considered to be one of the top 50 lead singers of all time...

in the Beatles, the highest rated musician is likely to be George Harrison,
and he is most likely in the middle of the pack.. so what has set the
Beatles apart? The fact is it is in their songwriting..... Both Lennon
and McCarthy are top 5 songwriters of all time....in any Genre...
and therein lies the strength of the Beatles... in the music itself..
not as musicians, but in the strength of the songs themselves....

and most of their music is pretty much easy listening...
at least by the standards of today's music...

so what does this mean to us?

technical, we don't have to be great craftsmen to create works of ART...
If we stick to our strengths, be it in the language, or in the strength
of idea's or in the ability to make complex ideas into simple idea's....
or the ability to unite diverse and different ideas into one strand
of ideas....or perhaps, what is most needed is the one thing missing here
on ILP and perhaps everywhere else, imagination...not only to see what is here
but to imagine what is beyond the here and now..

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby MagsJ » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:01 pm

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Been there, done that.. as I really really listened to The Beatles, decades ago ..amongst many other bands and genres, heard.. on a Grundig gramophone’s radio, when a teen.

I must say, I was truly intrigued by their 70s psychedelic era.. that was really truly something, huh. :)

..but Peter, he did have great hair.

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby derleydoo » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:40 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Been there, done that.. as I really really listened to The Beatles, decades ago ..amongst many other bands and genres, heard.. on a Grundig gramophone’s radio, when a teen.

I must say, I was truly intrigued by their 70s psychedelic era.. that was really truly something, huh. :)



Mags, perhaps you are referring to the two albums in 1967, Sergeant Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour, both truly innovative albums.

Kropotkin, how dare you criticise the Beatles! Outrageous behaviour! :) As you say, they weren't what you might class as a rock group!

However, lyrically, they were light years ahead of most. For example, this from Sgt Pepper. "Within You Without You"

We were talking about the space between us all
And the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth, then it's far too late, when they pass away
We were talking about the love we all could share
When we find it, to try our best to hold it there with our love
With our love, we could save the world, if they only knew

Try to realise it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small
And life flows on within you and without you

We were talking about the love that's gone so cold
And the people who gain the world and lose their soul
They don't know, they can't see, are you one of them?

When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find
Peace of mind is waiting there
And the time will come when you see we're all one
And life flows on within you and without you

https://youtu.be/HsffxGyY4ck
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:57 am

ah, Mr. Derely.. I for one, would never, NEVER criticize the Beatles for
their greatness...I am pointing out the reason for their greatness,
which isn't musical talent, the playing of their instruments, but from songwriting...

but if one thinks about the type of music the Beatles did, it was in terms
of pretty mellow music...and that is my point, they achieved greatness
by working on simple music... they didn't push the boundaries of
music the way other musicians did.. Jimi Hendrex for example...
they found greatness in writing about mundane subjects,
Eleanor Rigby is a song about loneliness... and how many songs about
loneliness are there?

and that becomes my point... we can become great writers or songwriters or
the creators of fiction in which we work on the simple idea of what it means to
be human..... and the Beatles did just that... they work out greatness in
the simple expressions of what it means to be human...
within love, within loneliness, within happiness, joy, lust..
all simple emotions that the Beatles mined and turned into great music...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby MagsJ » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:07 am

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Been there, done that.. as I really really listened to The Beatles, decades ago ..amongst many other bands and genres, heard.. on a Grundig gramophone’s radio, when a teen.

I must say, I was truly intrigued by their 70s psychedelic era.. that was really truly something, huh. :)

Mags, perhaps you are referring to the two albums in 1967, Sergeant Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour, both truly innovative albums.

..and the 5 crazy films they made - A Hard Day's Night: 1964, Help!: 1965, Magical Mystery Tour: 1967, Yellow Submarine: 1968 and Let It Be: 1970 - they helped make irreverence fashionable in mainstream culture, apparently.

I weren’t fond of them beyond their 70s output, purely for entertainment reasons.. but there might be a few gems beyond that era, that I’ve missed.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby derleydoo » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:36 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I was led into really listening to the Beatles by comments
about how bad Ringo was at being a drummer...
Kropotkin


During an interview, 'the Beatles' were asked if Ringo Starr was the best drummer in the world? I believe it was Lennon who replied: "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles." :)

Peter Kropotkin wrote:ah, Mr. Derely.. I for one, would never, NEVER criticize the Beatles for
their greatness...I am pointing out the reason for their greatness,
which isn't musical talent, the playing of their instruments, but from songwriting...

but if one thinks about the type of music the Beatles did, it was in terms
of pretty mellow music...and that is my point, they achieved greatness
by working on simple music...
Kropotkin


Totally agree, Mister K. To this day, Paul McCartney is unable to read music! Recently, I heard him say he composed using just six chords.

MagsJ wrote:_

I must say, I was truly intrigued by their 70s psychedelic era.. that was really truly something, huh. :)

I weren’t fond of them beyond their 70s output, purely for entertainment reasons.. but there might be a few gems beyond that era, that I’ve missed.


Mags, Let it Be was released in 1970. I believe they broke up in the same year - 1970. :-k
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Re: listening, really listening to the Beatles...

Postby MagsJ » Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:29 pm

derleydoo wrote:Mags, Let it Be was released in 1970. I believe they broke up in the same year - 1970. :-k

How long were the Beatles together?

The Fab Four were together for only eight years, from 1962, when Ringo joined the band, to early 1970, when "Get Back" was released. Eight years.

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I was just a few months old when they split up, so to me.. back when I was a small child, it seemed like their televised concerts and shows were happening in real-time. Their psychedelic phase is the most memorable to me, regardless.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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