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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:17 pm

Desperate Degenerate Support Group: by promethean75 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:12 pm
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Da hell? near 70,000 in two days.. who are these people viewing our only-interesting-to-us musings? One of us here is very popular and obviously also well-known.. and it ain't me.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:32 pm

professor satyr the warthog wrote:The most ignoble soul will present itself in the most noble attire.
The imbecile speaks like he were a genius.
A weakling speaks of his own power.
A miser of his generosity.


this can be true sometimes, but not always, and when it is true, there's a little more subtle nuance there that the bitter misanthropists miss completely. it's for this reason that N called these psychologists 'toads' or 'frogs' for pulling into sight all the abyssmal parts of human nature (or he said something like that, anyway). now i'll tell ya what i think he meant here. first remember that N's always trying to locate the better aspects of that miserable creature man and serve them up so we can manage a more optimistic tolerance for his worst qualities. sometimes this has to involve greater insight into the matter. you gotta first lay the miserable wretch man out on display... and only then can you try and salvage some redeeming feature of his character. what gave N the credentials for this was the fact that he did no sugar coating. if you were a dumb sonofabitch, he'd tell you to your face, and once you accepted it, he'd make you good again. and this is what we're gonna do here.

what i see immediately in the above examples is a concealed intention that is not so obvious at first. what is the common feature that's present in every one of those examples, without exception? that he's lying, exaggerating, posturing, manipulating, etc., is obvious enough for even an amateur to notice. a nigga don't need no degree to figure that much out. but why is he doing that for you? why is he dressed so well, bragging about his intelligence, power and charitable nature? is he trying to offend you or piss you off? on the contrary, he's trying to impress you. and why's that? because he finds your approval very meaningful. and what is this if not a compliment to you?

holy shit you didn't even see this coming. i told ya it was subtle.

what insight these festering misanthrops who call themselves psychologists lack is not only that genuine goodwill but also the wisdom that all men/women mean well, even if their behavior is often sophisticated and complex in concealing this truth. there are only two proper attitudes to be taken toward someone who demonstrates the above examples... and neither of which include contempt or ridicule. the first is a feeling of endearment; this silly fellow is trying his best to impress me. i'm flattered. the second is a kind of soft sympathy not quite equivalent to pity. i say it's not quite pity because you wouldn't pity someone who was trying to impress you, since this is evidence that the fellow has good tastes. at least for me, anyway. anybody trying to impress me is doing the right thing because i'm the kinda guy you should want to impress. so that being said, only on the rarest occassions am i able to make such behavior a subject of ridicule. i don't need to go on a tangent and capitalize on the fact that this guy's a liar and a flake and a poser, etc., etc., because i already know this is natural behavior for that miserable creature man. i mean we've known this since la rochefoucauld put pen to parchment, haven't we? what i'm going to do is leave the seventeenth century, salvage something admirable from it, make something good out of it, give the dude some credit and have a little more patience for the poor sod. and i can do this because i'm not a toad.

sometimes you can't just wake up in the morning and be great. usually you have to fake it, and for quite some time, until things happen to you that make you great. in the meanwhile, an understanding psychologist would permit these human all too human antics during your transition into greatness.

of all the existentialists that mounted the assault on the darker, deceptive side of human nature, only fritz and kick-or-guard were the ones (that i'm most familiar with) that had enough grace and wisdom to oversee these idiosyncratic blemishes and find something admirable in man. you have to begin with the premise that man wants to be wanted - in epistemology this is called 'the principle of charity', which we are extending into ethics here- , and that whatever kind of knucklehead he makes of himself trying to impress you must be overlooked lest you fall into absolute unmitigated misanthropy and forever sneer at the world.

then again i suppose only a anarcho-stirnerite-nihilistic-immoralist is able to do this, so perhaps you have not this in your capacity.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:40 pm

if i had to guess, mags, this is how the doofus is doing it.

so you could set your browser to open new pages in new windows, right? then you could click the shit out of thread link like five hundred times in two minutes. this would pack five hundred windows across your browser bar. then you'd just close the browser, clear everything, and do it all again. this way you could probably tally up thousands of views in thirty minutes of so, yeah?

just a guess though. but i'm quite certain 70,000 people have not viewed this thread. if they have, i'm in the wrong place and should have my own show on TV.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:44 pm

Is he ^^^ referring to him?
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:50 pm

i'm still working out my preliminary report on the desperate, degenerate perversion you have for wanting to go out and meet guys in public venues. so far i've narrowed it down to at least a couple factors. the fall of the roman empire, the christianization of the germanic tribes, the invention of the combustible engine, the boston tea party, and the work of emma goldman. all of which were part of the zionist conspiracy to destroy the world.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:50 pm

MagsJ wrote:69203 Views

Make that 74,062.. 5,000 within a coupla hours. An ILP record, no doubt.

Edited to 5,000, instead of 50,000.. I had my morning coffee late today.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:52 pm

naw urwrong wouldn't do that. if he had thirty minutes to spare, he'd either be playing call of duty or trying to figure out what the fuck prominent academic thinkers mean when they say there's no freewill.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:47 pm

promethean75 wrote:i'm still working out my preliminary report on the desperate, degenerate perversion you have for wanting to go out and meet guys in public venues. so far i've narrowed it down to at least a couple factors. the fall of the roman empire, the christianization of the germanic tribes, the invention of the combustible engine, the boston tea party, and the work of emma goldman. all of which were part of the zionist conspiracy to destroy the world.

I can see how that combination, but Ms Goldman, could have affected my desperate degenerate need for male eyes to gaze upon my beauty, in the present now :lol: but that's only because I don't know who Ms Goldman is, and so what part she played in my vice.

promethean75 wrote:naw urwrong wouldn't do that. if he had thirty minutes to spare, he'd either be playing call of duty or trying to figure out what the fuck prominent academic thinkers mean when they say there's no freewill.

I meant your Satyr quoted post? Oh da dramas that go on over there, that I am thankfully oblivious, but sometimes privy, to. You posted again, before I submitted my enquiry, causing transatlantic wires to become crossed.

-"if I had to guess, mags, this is how the doofus is doing it."
Is this doofus still an unknown at this present time? and what's to gain from this anomaly? unless Urwrong has a fanbase we don't know of.. in unfathomable numbers? The available options, laid out here, thus far.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:07 pm

Yes, I've got better things to do than boost view-counts of threads. It's probably somebody running a bot.

@Karpel Tunnel (KT)

A homeless person can buy a hamburger from McDonalds and receive more nutrition than would be available to Caesar 2000 years ago, within a few miniutes. So the Standard-of-Living is generally so high, that people ignore and overlook it. They take it for granted. They abuse it, and then complain, that "things aren't good enough".

So your counter-argument is "people are mentally-ill and this is the real badness". Here's the thing, homeless and unwanted children are timeless. There was a % of the population who were diseased 2000 years ago, same as today, so based on this % is this the measure by which humanity measures progress?? I don't think so, hence why homeless people and many humans are 'Unwanted' as children. What does it mean to be unwanted and un-cared for? Now here is my retort: Christianity began 2000 years ago as a means to "Cure" this unwanted and un-cared for disposition. Did it work? No, it didn't work then. And it hasn't worked now. Christianity never solved the 'Poverty' problem, or the fact that many children are born in life, worthless, unwanted, and people look upon them with disdain. People walk passed them on the street. Children are still dumped upon doorsteps or passed off onto "other people's problems".

So no real progress (or digress by imposition). Would you rather take "healthy than unhealthy"? I think most people will, but that's not really my argument or contention, is it?


Is "Desperate Degeneration" mainly or only about physical and mental health? Whose? Are those who complain and bitch about such illness, themselves Humanitarians? Are is it just "look at the homeless mentally ill, and complain"?
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:25 pm

Oh da dramas that go on over there, that I am thankfully oblivious, but sometimes privy, to.


ain't nuthin goin on over there but a few random comments once in a while by a couple people. other than that it's most likely just satyr and biggs going back and forth like they've always done.

mainly what KT has become now at the hands of satyr is a metaphorical battle ship that sits a mile off shore from ilp, constantly firing at it. he targets the general population of the island, but gets especially giddy if he can hit jakob or i in the barrage. but i be dodgin and weavin, though. you feel me? i'm hard enough to hit with a 50 cal, much less a frickin cannon, nah mean?
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:27 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Yes, I've got better things to do than boost view-counts of threads. It's probably somebody running a bot.
I never implied that you were.

Perhaps it's the: Majestic-12 [Bot]..
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promethean75 wrote:mainly what KT has become now at the hands of satyr is a metaphorical battle ship that sits a mile off shore from ilp, constantly firing at it. he targets the general population of the island, but gets especially giddy if he can hit jakob or i in the barrage. but i be dodgin and weavin, though. you feel me? i'm hard enough to hit with a 50 cal, much less a frickin cannon, nah mean?

Haha, yeah!

Brilliant analogy ^^^ =D>

..a ship for one, it sounds like.. man don't need no crew, it seems like.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Meno_ » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:43 am

MagsJ wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Yes, I've got better things to do than boost view-counts of threads. It's probably somebody running a bot.
I never implied that you were.

Perhaps it's the: Majestic-12 [Bot]..
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promethean75 wrote:mainly what KT has become now at the hands of satyr is a metaphorical battle ship that sits a mile off shore from ilp, constantly firing at it. he targets the general population of the island, but gets especially giddy if he can hit jakob or i in the barrage. but i be dodgin and weavin, though. you feel me? i'm hard enough to hit with a 50 cal, much less a frickin cannon, nah mean?

Haha, yeah!

Brilliant analogy ^^^ =D>

..a ship for one, it sounds like.. man don't need no crew, it seems like.



Brilliant yes, but flawless? No.

Intelligence found them. Outgunned since.


Player 1-.X5 Larger caliber
Player.2-.X10 Greater accuracy


Player .1.- Titanic complex
Player .2.- Robinson Crusoe complex

Round 1- Satyr v. Joker

Round 2 . when and if Satyr and Joker are identified , Round 2 can commence. They seemed to have left the ring and vanished.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:17 am

promethean75 wrote: i'm in the wrong place and should have my own show on TV.


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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:20 am

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promethean75 wrote:mainly what KT has become now at the hands of satyr is a metaphorical battle ship that sits a mile off shore from ilp, constantly firing at it. he targets the general population of the island, but gets especially giddy if he can hit jakob or i in the barrage. but i be dodgin and weavin, though. you feel me? i'm hard enough to hit with a 50 cal, much less a frickin cannon, nah mean?

Thats still going on to this day?
Maybe we should have a tv show together then.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:25 am

i'd much rather produce a series of national geographic style episodes with you and satyr in them. i'd do the editing and effects, as well as the narration... probably in a british accent. something like this is what i'd be shooting for.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:45 am

Lol. Well you can be the director thats even better.
Why don't you communistically take over a barn, set yourself up in it with a camera and make a show and then when you get the views you buy us a ticket to come to he barn and debate each other. Who knows you know? You know what they say...
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:58 am

I've gotten a bit more degenerate since I realized that you can get the morning after pill on Amazon for about 8 bucks with prime shipping.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:22 am

There are many struggles in life we believe we should bear on our own, and we feel ashamed of reaching out for help.

You've made a big step today, friend, and it took great courage to share this with everyone.

Would any of you like to say something to Mr. Reasonable? Go ahead... we're all together here. Don't be afraid.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby MagsJ » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:44 am

I find that wrong on so many levels MrR.. you are truly degenerate.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:55 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:I've gotten a bit more degenerate since I realized that you can get the morning after pill on Amazon for about 8 bucks with prime shipping.


I know it's, like, well past it's due by date, but...

This is the same man that said he needs his president to have certain amount of decorum and manners.

If you think the decorums and manners are there to cover for the scumbag, you have it exactly backwards.

I just defined you the left, now go forth and conquer.

(Thank you and sorry Mr Reasonable. You are still, for other reasons, my hero. namaste.)
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:52 pm

this is not what i had intended for this thread, people. mr. reasonable comes to us in trust and hope that we might understand his problem and be sympathetic to his suffering. instead, you guys attack him.

this isn't a matter of mr. reasonable needing to face his desperate degeneracy; he's already openly acknowledged that. what we should be doing is helping him through this, not reminding him of his plight.

does anyone have any ideas? i do. mr. reasonable; is there any way you could buy these pills in bulk and save even more money?
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:39 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:I've gotten a bit more degenerate since I realized that you can get the morning after pill on Amazon for about 8 bucks with prime shipping.
Everyone else seems to know what the degeneracy is, both your supporters and detractors. I'm not even sure you're now more degenerate. Let me know how this reveals itself. You use condoms less? You lie that you are wearing one? Let me know the crime this supposed sin the online service has driven you to.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:20 pm

σᾰ́τῠρος wrote:
When a degenerate in his desperate [sic] says "bring it down to earth' he means dumb-it-down, feminize it....make it emotional, personal
He certainly does not mean to place the standard of validation outside the subjective...in the objectively real.
You know...empiricism and the scientific method.
That's the opposite of what he wants.


On the contray, there are clearly any number of things that can be pointed to in regard to human interactions in which everyone will vigorously nod their head and agree it is clearly down to earth. That is, there will be little or no moral or political or emotional or subjective conflicts regarding what is being discussed. It is either this or it is that.

For example, Jim says that, yes, it is a fact that he is a homosexual. And he can provide any number of additional facts about his life as a homosexual. Facts that everyone can agree on.

But: σᾰ́τῠρος then intervenes and insists that Jim left out the most important fact of all: that homosexuality isn't in sync with nature itself. It is therefore irrational behavior. And, for some, that makes it immoral behavior.

Then they go back and forth with sets of assumptions: Jim points out that human beings are a part of nature and, therefore, anything that they choose to do [sexually or otherwise] can only be construed as natural. In turn, Jim points to homosexuality in other creatures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexua ... in_animals

https://youtu.be/LFeXwKnCUNI

https://youtu.be/qqPVs4yX5x0

Then of course σᾰ́τῠρος comes up with his own set of assumptions. At another venue, for example. :wink:

Stay tuned...
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:10 pm

most people unwittingly subscribe to a philosophy because it supports and justifies personal preferences which develop before they begin to think philosophically. the philosophical livelihood then becomes a process of reinforcing what was already wanted, although it seems to the person that they're doing philosophy objectively, with disinterest, and at the ready to accept 'truths' they find disagreeable.

and more often than not, a philosophy that claims not to be subjective is in fact extremely subjective... by that i mean it is dubious enough in character to be rejected by those whom wouldn't be able to reject it if it were only clearly sensible in the first place. but in that case - in the case that a philosophy provides indubitable facts - it's no longer philosophy, but science. so philosophy, almost purely subjective in nature aside from, say, linguistics, which has as its purpose the study of how language works and is used, is usually nothing more than an elaborate intellectual defense of personal preferences which are covertly imposed on the philosophical thinking process. and i have seen some wonderful instances of this. one's entire world-view is completely out of touch with the 'truth', and these are often the very one's who swear they are being the most objective.

but here's the thing. it isn't always that they're 'wrong', see. it may very well be that what they are saying is so garbled it can't be right or wrong. and it's here that the request to 'bring it down to earth' is so appropriate; it forces the thinker out of his abstract language game and asks that a thesis be shown rather than explained. unfortunately, due to philosophy's obscure nature, very little of it can be demonstrated, and because of this very fact it is usually impervious to critique. that's both the curse and saving grace of philosophy; that because none of it works, all of it works.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:39 pm

σᾰ́τῠρος wrote: It is obvious that Desperate Degenerates have issues of judgement - either because theirs is so feeble - exposing an inferior mind - or because of their increasing self-consciousness, making them insecure and vulnerable.
So, value-judgements terrify them. It is why they so quickly declare victory and apt [sic] themselves on the back, or are prone to self-aggrandizing fits of redirected rage, repressed and bursting forth with an over stated self-control that reveals the stress.


This is basically what he almost always falls back on to avoid an actual substantive discussion: huffing and puffing, ad homs, name-calling.

Then paragraph after paragraph of the same old splenetic chest thumping.

Indeed, the closest he gets to conflicting arguments regarding homosexuality in nature above is this...

σᾰ́τῠρος wrote: In the case of sexuality we see this underlying motive, he hopes nobody can see, in its full glory.
Here the sexual act is converted to an idea - idealized beyond the earthly - retaining nothing of how (causality) and why (functionality) it evolved.
He compounds upon it, modern degenerate applications of pleasure seeking - escapism - hoping to bury the act in rhetoric and convoluted complexity...when it remains clear and simple in every regard other than in desperate degenerate minds.


What the fuck does any of this have to do the points made in the links above?!! Or in regard to the simple fact that human behaviors [all of them] are the very embodiment of nature. And that, through a complex and ever evolving admixture of genetic and memetic factors, this precipitates any number of animal behaviors [including our own] that can only be construed as natural insofar as nature accommodates them.

Some are just less likely to occur than others.

Well, assuming of course that all of this is embedded in some measure of human autonomy.
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