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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:00 pm

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:02 pm

What good are these lists of theists and atheists? The atheists of course would not support ideas expressed in the thread.
Back to the beginning:
Who can say that existential awareness of God is unreal or can be explained psychologically?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:43 pm

Look, nothing of the existence of this world is logical. The fact that something, and not nothing exists, is not logical.

Logic doesn't begin to cut it.

You need something like God, or better yet, value ontology, to explain.



What is God?

James says its your situation. I disagree. James says its logical. I disagree.

I say, logic is the outline of the consequences of the irrational. These consequences are really consistent.

But its essentially a form of non-existence, a return to pre-existence.




What is God?

God is LORD.

God is mighty. Extremely pervasively powerful. You can call upon God by uttering the phrases ascribed to Him. It works, and not just by giving comfort. It splits the sky, bursts the sun, opens the earth, weeps out a splitting column of joy, etc etc.


God, whatever He is, encompasses more than the person who believes. It is a more substantive reality, exists under more conditions, can be relied on the to make sense beyond time-space. Otherwise the concept is not so great.

We arent gods. We aren't "living gods". All that Shaytanism is fake. Its a trap. If you think youre god, if you feel that sort of power, or think you do, the absence of that power usurps your subconscious and turns it into a very sad hell.

I do believe humans have ascended to become angels. Enoch becoming Metatron, all that. I say why not? If God exists, if this world exists, a lot is possible within that. But there are rules. That's the catch. There are actually rules, and they aren't simply logical rules. They're rules made out of what we call love, honor, dignity, respect. Value is the rule. That's a non-abstract rule.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:15 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I’m a resurrected being. It really happened. Don’t know why.

But I do not believe god exists.

I’m a scientist in my own right.

If you can understand that an actual resurrected being does not believe...

You’ll understand almost everything

Addressing whom?
To me you sound like a snake oil salesman.



I do know how to make existence perfect. That’s why I don’t believe in god.

I’m down to a method that gives everyone everything that they want at nobodies expense.

It involves projecting and reflecting platonic forms.

I can write the whole thing if you want.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:54 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I’m a resurrected being. It really happened. Don’t know why.

But I do not believe god exists.

I’m a scientist in my own right.

If you can understand that an actual resurrected being does not believe...

You’ll understand almost everything

Addressing whom?
To me you sound like a snake oil salesman.



I do know how to make existence perfect. That’s why I don’t believe in god.

I’m down to a method that gives everyone everything that they want at nobodies expense.

It involves projecting and reflecting platonic forms.

I can write the whole thing if you want.


I love it when theists agree with one another. :lol:
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:57 pm

Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/


Fuck that is a desperate list.
The first on the list did not even beleive in god, and most of the rest are pre-darwin.
What the fuck is "god" anyway.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:32 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/


Fuck that is a desperate list.
The first on the list did not even beleive in god, and most of the rest are pre-darwin.
What the fuck is "god" anyway.
I see you and Ecmandu are as one!! :D


I know we all made this together. I figured that out when I couldn’t change existence myself. That’s a long discussion to prove that. I’ll have that discussion if you want.

So then I had to figure out why beings don’t want existence to be perfect. I can say lots about that too... but to be perfectly honest! I have nothing!

I don’t know why beings are insane except for trillions of years of Pavlovian conditioning to an extremely old plan.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:54 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
I don’t know why beings are insane except for trillions of years of Pavlovian conditioning to an extremely old plan.


I asked how you died - you did not answer.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:57 pm

Ierrellus wrote:What good are these lists of theists and atheists?


Why the fuck did you post a list of scientists that the web page claimed to believe in god, then?
Especially when most of them were deists?

There's a good argument that you are atheist anyway.
God is a collection of myths to explain the inexplicable.
It is a catch all phrase used by millions of people. It has no definitive meaning and tends to change with the requirements of the question at hand. It has differences of meaning across cultures, across historical periods, and amongst individuals trapped in their own cultural milleu. It can be one, it can be many, it can be a force for good, a force for evil, a trickster, a creator, an indifferent presence, it can have a personality, it can be devoid of personality, it can have a gender male or female and it can be neuter. It can be a personification of an ineffable entity, it can be a malevolent spirit, In can be corporeal and incorporeal. In fact the only thing that you can be certain of is that "god" exists in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
All those that believe in god are atheists when it comes to definition of other gods that do not match their own model.
To believe in god you have to reject reason. As Martin Luther (one of the most devout and serious believers ever) taught that faith and reason were antithetical, and that man must reject reason and accept faith. He wrote, "All the articles of our Christian faith, which God has revealed to us in His Word, are in presence of reason sheerly impossible, absurd, and false."and "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has."
So to even have a working definition of god you must be atheistic of all other versions and reject all reasonable objections to the notion and existence of such a thing.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:08 pm

sculptor my friend, am i a nice guy afterall???proud to see you grow out of your shell and bloom into the world!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:40 pm

Ahh... I’ve actually been resurrected twice (it might be three times)

One... natural causes

One... poison

One... gunshot to the head

It’s actually not fun to resurrect... you have to go through the hell realms to come back.

The irony is not lost on me... I wanted to die with all my heart and soul

Now I see everything different. I know we never die, it’s about as many friends as you can make in life.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:59 pm

thanks for sharing my friend, eagerly anticipating your upcoming youtube video elaborations !!!
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:17 pm

aniceguy wrote:thanks for sharing my friend, eagerly anticipating your upcoming youtube video elaborations !!!


There are dimensions of pure thought that can do anything to your body.

My sacred marks were removed after I came at the world the way I did years ago.

Not only that, after emerging from my last death with the gunshot wound, I have no trace of it.

But to remind me... I have a scar still when I dropped to the ground from the wound.

I’ve lived an extremely weird life.

I’d rather just show you when you get to instantaneous life viewing dimensions than explain it all here.

That’s why all the ancient teachers never wrote anything down... they all knew this.

I don’t care. If my writings and videos help anyone in the present, it’s worth it to me.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:34 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Ahh... I’ve actually been resurrected twice (it might be three times)

One... natural causes

One... poison

One... gunshot to the head

It’s actually not fun to resurrect... you have to go through the hell realms to come back.

The irony is not lost on me... I wanted to die with all my heart and soul

Now I see everything different. I know we never die, it’s about as many friends as you can make in life.


And who were you in your previous existences?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:35 pm

aniceguy wrote:sculptor my friend, am i a nice guy afterall???proud to see you grow out of your shell and bloom into the world!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:


No idea what you are on about
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:46 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Ahh... I’ve actually been resurrected twice (it might be three times)

One... natural causes

One... poison

One... gunshot to the head

It’s actually not fun to resurrect... you have to go through the hell realms to come back.

The irony is not lost on me... I wanted to die with all my heart and soul

Now I see everything different. I know we never die, it’s about as many friends as you can make in life.


And who were you in your previous existences?


I have no clue and I don’t care. I’m Jason.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:45 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Ahh... I’ve actually been resurrected twice (it might be three times)

One... natural causes

One... poison

One... gunshot to the head

It’s actually not fun to resurrect... you have to go through the hell realms to come back.

The irony is not lost on me... I wanted to die with all my heart and soul

Now I see everything different. I know we never die, it’s about as many friends as you can make in life.


And who were you in your previous existences?


I have no clue and I don’t care. I’m Jason.


LOL
You are talking bollocks.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Look, nothing of the existence of this world is logical. The fact that something, and not nothing exists, is not logical.

Logic doesn't begin to cut it.

You need something like God, or better yet, value ontology, to explain.



What is God?

James says its your situation. I disagree. James says its logical. I disagree.

I say, logic is the outline of the consequences of the irrational. These consequences are really consistent.

But its essentially a form of non-existence, a return to pre-existence.




What is God?

God is LORD.

God is mighty. Extremely pervasively powerful. You can call upon God by uttering the phrases ascribed to Him. It works, and not just by giving comfort. It splits the sky, bursts the sun, opens the earth, weeps out a splitting column of joy, etc etc.


God, whatever He is, encompasses more than the person who believes. It is a more substantive reality, exists under more conditions, can be relied on the to make sense beyond time-space. Otherwise the concept is not so great.

We arent gods. We aren't "living gods". All that Shaytanism is fake. Its a trap. If you think youre god, if you feel that sort of power, or think you do, the absence of that power usurps your subconscious and turns it into a very sad hell.

I do believe humans have ascended to become angels. Enoch becoming Metatron, all that. I say why not? If God exists, if this world exists, a lot is possible within that. But there are rules. That's the catch. There are actually rules, and they aren't simply logical rules. They're rules made out of what we call love, honor, dignity, respect. Value is the rule. That's a non-abstract rule.

Thanks Fixed Cross for the first sane response to this thread in a long time. I appreciate your honesty and sound reasoning regarding the possibilities inherent in existence.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:06 pm

aniceguy wrote:sculptor my friend, am i a nice guy afterall???proud to see you grow out of your shell and bloom into the world!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:

Why don't you send Sculptor a private message. Believe it or not, he doesn't live in this thread.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:11 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I’m a resurrected being. It really happened. Don’t know why.

But I do not believe god exists.

I’m a scientist in my own right.

If you can understand that an actual resurrected being does not believe...

You’ll understand almost everything

Addressing whom?
To me you sound like a snake oil salesman.



I do know how to make existence perfect. That’s why I don’t believe in god.

I’m down to a method that gives everyone everything that they want at nobodies expense.

It involves projecting and reflecting platonic forms.

I can write the whole thing if you want.

Please peddle your wares elsewhere.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:29 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/


Fuck that is a desperate list.
The first on the list did not even beleive in god, and most of the rest are pre-darwin.
What the fuck is "god" anyway.
I see you and Ecmandu are as one!! :D

So the list of atheists was not a desperate list?
I have nothing in common with Ecmandu.
God is the universe and the source of all creative possibility. God is the meaning of meaning , the value of value.
Fixed Cross' opinion about God is a good one.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:04 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/


Fuck that is a desperate list.
The first on the list did not even beleive in god, and most of the rest are pre-darwin.
What the fuck is "god" anyway.
I see you and Ecmandu are as one!! :D

So the list of atheists was not a desperate list?

It was longer more accurate, and what is more I did not post it.
I have nothing in common with Ecmandu.

If you think you have something is common with the 25 scientists that "believe in god" then you are much in common with Ecmandu.
God is the universe and the source of all creative possibility. God is the meaning of meaning , the value of value.
Fixed Cross' opinion about God is a good one.

Blah blah blah.
Bullshit bullshit bullshit
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:20 pm

Sculptor,
Can you post without profanity? Posting that way is very adolescent! You offer no thought out rebuttal. You offer instead knee-jerk reactions, profane stabs and brief regurgitations. Where did you learn to debate?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:34 pm

Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/



Theo says

November 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm

Here’s what Einstein said in an interview in G. S. Viereck’s book Glimpses of the Great, in response to a question about whether or not he believed in God.

“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”


What Einstein said above is really beautiful and that is the way in which I feel and see it all although I would be incapable of expressing myself here as he did. That is also why I am agnostic and could never say I KNOW.

The way in which I look at it is that those who do profess to KNOW and have all the answers to the GOD question are like those who would be uncomfortable with a book whose ending is not spelled out and which has no resolution, the author allowing for the readers to give it their own ending. They have a need to resolve the question of the final ending without realizing just how many final endings there could be and keeping them open and going in search of them.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:29 pm

I didn’t believe in spirits.

Then I was hit by a freight train by the spirit world and can’t deny it.

But I do know one thing. Every being in existence in the current plan is going to have their consent violated in one way or another at various orders of magnitude until the plan is changed.

What we’re living in is not divine.

You insult me as much as I insult you.

You’re apologizing for this shit, all the evil of the grand consent violator as a sycophant
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