What it does is what it Is

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:39 pm

Ecmandu wrote:I didn’t believe in spirits.

Then I was hit by a freight train by the spirit world and can’t deny it.

But I do know one thing. Every being in existence in the current plan is going to have their consent violated in one way or another at various orders of magnitude until the plan is changed.

What we’re living in is not divine.

You insult me as much as I insult you.

You’re apologizing for this shit, all the evil of the grand consent violator as a sycophant


Additionally Ierrellus....

I do have a price for my soul.

“Everyone gets everything that they want at the expense of nobody forever.”

You sold your soul to the devil for nothing.

Nothing.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:49 pm

Sure... there will always be that one holdout who says... “unless I can torture an actual being, you are violating my consent”

To them I say this... “if consent violation is so important for you, you’ll get to experience it forever by being in a reality where it’s not possible to violate consent of yourself or others - and you’ll know it.”
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Sculptor,
Can you post without profanity? Posting that way is very adolescent! You offer no thought out rebuttal. You offer instead knee-jerk reactions, profane stabs and brief regurgitations. Where did you learn to debate?


Bullshit is not much of a profanity.
It's a jockular response. Perhaps if you were more careful with your attributions and tried some actual "philosophy" instead of theistic fantasies then I would not call you on your BS.
Besides - If you did not have the excuse to complain about my rude words, you might have to engage in what I was talking about. How else would you cover yourself when you were wrong?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:37 pm

Ierrellus wrote:God is the universe and the source of all creative possibility. God is the meaning of meaning , the value of value.
Fixed Cross' opinion about God is a good one.


This is a priestly mantra.
It is not philosophy.
It's just empty claims.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:36 pm

Ierrellus....


What is your asking price for your soul?

Do you have a wife and children?

Did you get to look at tits and vaginas that others couldn’t see?

You’re way in over your head man.

There are people like me that have more integrity in part of my pinky than you have in your whole body.

I’m not trying to be mean to you. I’m trying to wake you up.

I survived. I’m trying to wake you up.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:44 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Ierrellus....


What is your asking price for your soul?

Do you have a wife and children?

Did you get to look at tits and vaginas that others couldn’t see?

You’re way in over your head man.

There are people like me that have more integrity in part of my pinky than you have in your whole body.

I’m not trying to be mean to you. I’m trying to wake you up.

I survived. I’m trying to wake you up.


The 2 structural problems with existence are:

1.) the pleasurable exclusive access problem

2.) the negative zero sum problem

And by the way... I know you’ve never been to hell

I’m like bane and Batman combined.

I’m forged in hell and I live a decent life too.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

And if you remember that movie... bane kicked Batman’s ass until he was shot by cat woman .

Hell beings have very long tempers. You’re just over your head is all.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:06 pm

I’ll let you in on another little secret about existence.

The hell beings will conquer the heavenly beings.

Heavenly beings have no selective pressure.

Hell beings have all of it.

You’ll see.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:40 am

Ecmandu wrote:I’ll let you in on another little secret about existence.

The hell beings will conquer the heavenly beings.

Heavenly beings have no selective pressure.

Hell beings have all of it.

You’ll see.


You are perfectly entitled to invent as many fantasies as you like, secretly or otherwise.
And I am perfectly entitled to reject them.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:20 am

Sculptor wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I’ll let you in on another little secret about existence.

The hell beings will conquer the heavenly beings.

Heavenly beings have no selective pressure.

Hell beings have all of it.

You’ll see.


You are perfectly entitled to invent as many fantasies as you like, secretly or otherwise.
And I am perfectly entitled to reject them.


People have different life experiences. I’ve never met a person who’s been to hell other than me. That’s a hell in and of itself... not that I want others to go there. That seems like a very narcissistic thing to say.

All I’d say to you... is that life is stranger than you imagine.

Am I being a narcissist or am I telling you truth?

Ultimately, we all exist on a dimension of instantaneous life viewings ... I’m not afraid and I’m not worried.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:05 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/



Theo says

November 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm

Here’s what Einstein said in an interview in G. S. Viereck’s book Glimpses of the Great, in response to a question about whether or not he believed in God.

“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”


What Einstein said above is really beautiful and that is the way in which I feel and see it all although I would be incapable of expressing myself here as he did. That is also why I am agnostic and could never say I KNOW.

The way in which I look at it is that those who do profess to KNOW and have all the answers to the GOD question are like those who would be uncomfortable with a book whose ending is not spelled out and which has no resolution, the author allowing for the readers to give it their own ending. They have a need to resolve the question of the final ending without realizing just how many final endings there could be and keeping them open and going in search of them.

Thanks for the beautiful Einstein quote. I had read it elsewhere, but am proud to see it here.
Thanks again for you honesty.
I have had experiences which I feel are from and of the creator God. So I must be true to myself and declare that, for me, God exists.
As for heaven and hell I have no proof of their existence other than what I've experienced here on Earth. Now that I'm elderly, I could wish there is a heaven. Another hell would be redundant; but I realize there is some truth to the old saying: if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. There is so much that we do not know; and in that unknowing lies many possibilities.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:08 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I didn’t believe in spirits.

Then I was hit by a freight train by the spirit world and can’t deny it.

But I do know one thing. Every being in existence in the current plan is going to have their consent violated in one way or another at various orders of magnitude until the plan is changed.

What we’re living in is not divine.

You insult me as much as I insult you.

You’re apologizing for this shit, all the evil of the grand consent violator as a sycophant


Additionally Ierrellus....


I do have a price for my soul.

“Everyone gets everything that they want at the expense of nobody forever.”

You sold your soul to the devil for nothing.

Nothing.

So the devil exists but God doesn't? Would you please leave. You are fogging up the windows.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:13 pm

I’m what’s called a finisher in the spirit world.

I finished the dharma forever.

I solved how to give everyone except sadists what they want forever.

For sadists... since they are so interested in consent violation... I’ll send them to a place where they cannot violate anyone’s consent and they know it. That will be their hell.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:16 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I didn’t believe in spirits.

Then I was hit by a freight train by the spirit world and can’t deny it.

But I do know one thing. Every being in existence in the current plan is going to have their consent violated in one way or another at various orders of magnitude until the plan is changed.

What we’re living in is not divine.

You insult me as much as I insult you.

You’re apologizing for this shit, all the evil of the grand consent violator as a sycophant


Additionally Ierrellus....


I do have a price for my soul.

“Everyone gets everything that they want at the expense of nobody forever.”

You sold your soul to the devil for nothing.

Nothing.

So the devil exists but God doesn't?


Yes. You have to get along with evil to thrive. Everyone knows existence is evil. You have to seduce it. If god were real nobody would ever have their consent violated... forever.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:18 pm

Ecmandu wrote:I’m what’s called a finisher in the spirit world.

I finished the dharma forever.

I solved how to give everyone except sadists what they want forever.

For sadists... since they are so interested in consent violation... I’ll send them to a place where they cannot violate anyone’s consent and they know it. That will be their hell.

For me these ravings smack of insanity. Will you please start your own thread and leave this one to the few here who care about it? Or are you simply trying to derail this thread?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:28 pm

If god were real, nobody would ever have their consent violated... ever.

Nothing I posted here is off topic.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:48 pm

Ecmandu wrote:If god were real, nobody would ever have their consent violated... ever.

Nothing I posted here is off topic.

All of it is off topic. It's a manifesto of a weird, to me at least, way of thinking. Please leave.
What if murder and mayhem characterize one's consent?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:49 pm

Let me explain this very simply to you.

The humans prophesied about a messiah.

The spirit world prophesied about a finisher.

These are things you don’t understand.

You will someday, but not now.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:50 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:If god were real, nobody would ever have their consent violated... ever.

Nothing I posted here is off topic.

All of it is.
What if murder and mayhem characterize one's consent?


Those are sadists. I already explained 2 posts ago wat their fate is.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:53 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Let me explain this very simply to you.

The humans prophesied about a messiah.

He was not the messiah he was a very naughty boy.
People have always prophesied about the messiah and they were all disappointed.

The spirit world prophesied about a finisher.

Oooooooooooooooooooh, spooky!!

These are things you don’t understand.

You will someday, but not now.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:57 pm

I’m going to explain this very simply to you.

A finisher, finishes all the dharmas forever.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Sculptor » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:58 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”.


Despite the appearance rendered by the fake EMPHASIS, this passage makes Einstein a "weak" atheist despite it all. His type of atheism is agnosticism.
One thing for sure he explicitely rejected the standard god; a divine personality that gives a shit about what we do.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:00 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Let me explain this very simply to you.

The humans prophesied about a messiah.

The spirit world prophesied about a finisher.

These are things you don’t understand.

You will someday, but not now.

You just gave the distinction between messianic religions and Eastern religion/philosophy .Please stop addressing me as if I'm a dummy for not embracing your narcissistic, hubristic irrational claptrap.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:09 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Let me explain this very simply to you.

The humans prophesied about a messiah.

The spirit world prophesied about a finisher.

These are things you don’t understand.

You will someday, but not now.

You just gave the distinction between messianic religions and Eastern religious/philosophy .Please stop addressing me as if I'm a dummy for not embracing your narcissistic, hubristic irrational claptrap.



That’s funny man.

You know what’s interesting about people... they project a lot.

They’re also hypocrites.

They believe in god but if anyone calls themselves god, they call them a narcissist.

God doesn’t exist.

I’m not all powerful (nobody is)

I’m just a finisher.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”.


Despite the appearance rendered by the fake EMPHASIS, this passage makes Einstein a "weak" atheist despite it all. His type of atheism is agnosticism.
One thing for sure he explicitely rejected the standard god; a divine personality that gives a shit about what we do.

At least Einstein was honest enough to admit that he just did not know.
By the standard God, do you mean the fundamentalist's big daddy in the sky?
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:19 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Let me explain this very simply to you.

The humans prophesied about a messiah.

The spirit world prophesied about a finisher.

These are things you don’t understand.

You will someday, but not now.

You just gave the distinction between messianic religions and Eastern religious/philosophy .Please stop addressing me as if I'm a dummy for not embracing your narcissistic, hubristic irrational claptrap.



That’s funny man.

You know what’s interesting about people... they project a lot.

They’re also hypocrites.

They believe in god but if anyone calls themselves god, they call them a narcissist.

God doesn’t exist.

I’m not all powerful (nobody is)

I’m just a finisher.

I've asked you politely to leave my thread. Finish something you started.
BTW, you need a comma after "funny" and before "but". No comma is needed after "god". "Anyone" and "themselves" do not match in number as they should. "Them" is not singular, as implied. Place a semicolon after "powerful." Why the parenthesis?
Thanks for appreciating my ad homs. I try to keep them polite in the few times I'm forced to use them.
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