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Re: Devolution

Postby MagsJ » Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:49 pm

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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:39 pm

USA-- Could our founding fathers have imagined the political mayhem of divisive attitudes prevalent here in 2022? I doubt it. Will the union still survive the antagonisms of this schism? Must society here devolve?
What must other countries think about the country that once was seen as the world's hope?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:21 pm

Ierrellus wrote:USA-- Could our founding fathers have imagined the political mayhem of divisive attitudes prevalent here in 2022? I doubt it. Will the union still survive the antagonisms of this schism? Must society here devolve?
What must other countries think about the country that once was seen as the world's hope?


Seen by the US as the rest of the world's hope.

The US has recently managed to promote itself as the great white hope, but most other countries take that with a pinch of salt, and an amused and ironic snigger.
This idea is just part of yourmyth. The democracy you so cherish is one of the worst examples in the Western World, and far from promoting democracy abroad the US has been in the habit of denying it to other countries for fear of their people actually expressing a fucking opinion that the US is not the be all and end all of running a country.

The concept of the founding fathers (FF) is just another dredful myth of self delusion. In the first 100 years no more than 3% of the American people had the opportunity of voting for their president. That was the FFs strategy to avoid division; make sure only one class of man had access to representation. ANd the moribund and not fit fore purpose "electoral collage" is an absurd legacy of than anti-democratic ideology.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:55 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:USA-- Could our founding fathers have imagined the political mayhem of divisive attitudes prevalent here in 2022? I doubt it. Will the union still survive the antagonisms of this schism? Must society here devolve?
What must other countries think about the country that once was seen as the world's hope?


Seen by the US as the rest of the world's hope.

The US has recently managed to promote itself as the great white hope, but most other countries take that with a pinch of salt, and an amused and ironic snigger.
This idea is just part of yourmyth. The democracy you so cherish is one of the worst examples in the Western World, and far from promoting democracy abroad the US has been in the habit of denying it to other countries for fear of their people actually expressing a fucking opinion that the US is not the be all and end all of running a country.

The concept of the founding fathers (FF) is just another dredful myth of self delusion. In the first 100 years no more than 3% of the American people had the opportunity of voting for their president. That was the FFs strategy to avoid division; make sure only one class of man had access to representation. ANd the moribund and not fit fore purpose "electoral collage" is an absurd legacy of than anti-democratic ideology.

Thanks for the decent post. If the US political system was always screwed up, what we are getting now is not regression, but more of the same.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:14 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
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Ierrellus wrote:USA-- Could our founding fathers have imagined the political mayhem of divisive attitudes prevalent here in 2022? I doubt it. Will the union still survive the antagonisms of this schism? Must society here devolve?
What must other countries think about the country that once was seen as the world's hope?


Seen by the US as the rest of the world's hope.

The US has recently managed to promote itself as the great white hope, but most other countries take that with a pinch of salt, and an amused and ironic snigger.
This idea is just part of yourmyth. The democracy you so cherish is one of the worst examples in the Western World, and far from promoting democracy abroad the US has been in the habit of denying it to other countries for fear of their people actually expressing a fucking opinion that the US is not the be all and end all of running a country.

The concept of the founding fathers (FF) is just another dredful myth of self delusion. In the first 100 years no more than 3% of the American people had the opportunity of voting for their president. That was the FFs strategy to avoid division; make sure only one class of man had access to representation. ANd the moribund and not fit fore purpose "electoral collage" is an absurd legacy of than anti-democratic ideology.

Thanks for the decent post. If the US political system was always screwed up, what we are getting now is not regression, but more of the same.


Yes, I think what we have now is the social media revolution showing the cracks in the system.
For example, the US was always based on the assumption of white superiority and balck oppression.
With the degree of penetration of the media in the 1960s it was easy enough for people with a tandancy to racism to see the "black problem" as happening somewhere else, and easily confused with the Vietnam/hippy protests. Evenso the violence back then was possibly equal to that suffered today.
Now nothing is hidden, and white denial of violence directed at black people by the police is not quite matched by the actual violence that they have continued to suffer since the days of slavery.
What was gained legislatively has not filtered through to mitigate instuitutional racism.
Now competing elements of the establishment have mobilised disparate elements of social media in the production of fake news, and have manipulated the most base fears of the white/right community; peddled lies against the left, from pedo-conspiriacies to false accusations of anti-americansim, communism, socialism, and anti=patriotism.
They play a dangerous game to keep Republicans in power, as well as benefiting from the undemocratic electoral collage, they continue to rig the districts, and to make it difficult as possible for the poor to vote.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:49 pm

Progress or regress? Does either characterize the political condition of the USA as it moves into the 21st century?
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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:46 pm

A recent editorial in the Guardian opined that the US is already engaged in a civil war.
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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:52 pm

And now I see it has spread to Canada.
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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:54 pm

I used to live in Michigan right across the river from Windsor where the trucker protest is taking place.
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Re: Devolution

Postby phyllo » Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:44 pm

felix dakat wrote:I used to live in Michigan right across the river from Ottawa where the trucker protest is taking place.

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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:12 pm

#-o Correction : Windsor, Ontario

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... est-autos/

"The partial blockade of the Ambassador Bridge [over the Detroit River], now in its third day, threatens to derail the normal handoff from one factory to the next."
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:03 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Progress or regress? Does either characterize the political condition of the USA as it moves into the 21st century?

Depends on who's asking.
Social evolution usually goes badly for the older generation, and is a struggle for the younger, until they are midway and strat to see their own cracks.
But whilst they start to see nostalgiaclly the phantasm of their own mythical "golden age" , when everything used to work better, most of them have established financial security, which is a way of taxing the next generation.
Some look on and see progress some decline.
Evolution is not progress but reflexive change.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:05 pm

felix dakat wrote:And now I see it has spread to Canada.


According to the news reports, I've seen the Truckers are in a tiny but vociferous minority. I suppose it has more to do with their own mythos of the lone traveller against the rest of the world.
But most Canadians are a lot smarter and level headed.
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Re: Devolution

Postby phyllo » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:28 pm

The arrival of the self-styled “freedom convoy” in Ottawa this week has dominated headlines, but do the demonstrators represent the views of most Canadians? When it comes to their stark opposition to government-imposed restrictions and vaccine mandates, research shows the protesters clearly represent a minority view — no matter how vocal they are.

Most Canadians support government measures to help control the spread of COVID-19, according to our ongoing public opinion study. Known as the COVID-19 Monitor, the study of Canadians’ attitudes relating to the COVID-19 pandemic and public policy interventions has been running since shortly after the first COVID-19-related government restrictions were introduced in March 2020. It has amassed more than 100,000 respondents, making it one of the largest continuing studies of Canadian attitudes toward the pandemic.

The study is a partnership between McMaster University’s Digital Society Lab and Vox Pop Labs, a social enterprise that conducts public opinion research polling. We hold positions with both organizations.

Our findings indicate that a majority of Canadians support most of the measures that have been employed by federal and provincial governments aimed at preventing the transmission of COVID-19. In most cases support has remained relatively stable since the beginning of the pandemic.

https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/artic ... lockdowns/
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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:07 pm

phyllo wrote:
The arrival of the self-styled “freedom convoy” in Ottawa this week has dominated headlines, but do the demonstrators represent the views of most Canadians? When it comes to their stark opposition to government-imposed restrictions and vaccine mandates, research shows the protesters clearly represent a minority view — no matter how vocal they are.

Most Canadians support government measures to help control the spread of COVID-19, according to our ongoing public opinion study. Known as the COVID-19 Monitor, the study of Canadians’ attitudes relating to the COVID-19 pandemic and public policy interventions has been running since shortly after the first COVID-19-related government restrictions were introduced in March 2020. It has amassed more than 100,000 respondents, making it one of the largest continuing studies of Canadian attitudes toward the pandemic.

The study is a partnership between McMaster University’s Digital Society Lab and Vox Pop Labs, a social enterprise that conducts public opinion research polling. We hold positions with both organizations.

Our findings indicate that a majority of Canadians support most of the measures that have been employed by federal and provincial governments aimed at preventing the transmission of COVID-19. In most cases support has remained relatively stable since the beginning of the pandemic.

https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/artic ... lockdowns/


The blockade appears to be led and funded by Far Right extremists from the US.
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Re: Devolution

Postby phyllo » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:56 pm

They are certainly providing help, encouragement and funding. I don't know if they are leading it.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:39 pm

felix dakat wrote:
phyllo wrote:
The arrival of the self-styled “freedom convoy” in Ottawa this week has dominated headlines, but do the demonstrators represent the views of most Canadians? When it comes to their stark opposition to government-imposed restrictions and vaccine mandates, research shows the protesters clearly represent a minority view — no matter how vocal they are.

Most Canadians support government measures to help control the spread of COVID-19, according to our ongoing public opinion study. Known as the COVID-19 Monitor, the study of Canadians’ attitudes relating to the COVID-19 pandemic and public policy interventions has been running since shortly after the first COVID-19-related government restrictions were introduced in March 2020. It has amassed more than 100,000 respondents, making it one of the largest continuing studies of Canadian attitudes toward the pandemic.

The study is a partnership between McMaster University’s Digital Society Lab and Vox Pop Labs, a social enterprise that conducts public opinion research polling. We hold positions with both organizations.

Our findings indicate that a majority of Canadians support most of the measures that have been employed by federal and provincial governments aimed at preventing the transmission of COVID-19. In most cases support has remained relatively stable since the beginning of the pandemic.

https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/artic ... lockdowns/


The blockade appears to be led and funded by Far Right extremists from the US.


I imagine that they are pushing from behind, using Social Media.
Spreading, as it were, their cultural viruses.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:57 pm

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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:09 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:my people ✊


Yes your people. Internet Warriors
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Re: Devolution

Postby felix dakat » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:27 pm

Jordan Peterson has been supporting the obstructionist truckers on twitter. Why hasn’t he advised them to clean their room like he does other activists?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:15 pm

felix dakat wrote:Jordan Peterson has been supporting the obstructionist truckers on twitter. Why hasn’t he advised them to clean their room like he does other activists?


JP lost the plot a long time ago.
He's wound up in an ever decreasing circle of his own set of fallacies since he became a drug addict.
A person as articulate as him has a great ability to sound convincing, whilst peddling the most outrageous and disgusting viewpoints.

Here is has basically nothing to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVSZrnxRO3o

He seems a mann desperately lost in his own academic mire, desperately trying to establish a meaning and searching for something that is simply not there.
eg
Science spent 50 years being completely wrong about the behaviour of wolves, and this had damaging consequences for dog trainers. Wolves observed in pens mixed with unfamiliar wolves were strudied, and the conclusions were all about domination and conflict. Wolves, and by extnesion, dogs are nothing like that and commonly demonstrate a massive propensity to co-operate when observed in their own habitate with their own pack. JP bases his dredful ideas about human behaviour on lab rats in cages. This is the same as basing human behaviour on cage fighting prisoners. JP is an idiot.
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