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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:29 am

Gloominary wrote:
Sure they do moron, what do you think cancer is to use but one example.
Are many cancers not genetic?

Not only are they genetic, but some parasitical genes that produce cancers and other debilitations are passed down from one generation to the next over the course of thousands or perhaps millions of years.
They inhibit survival, but nonetheless manage to replicate themselves.

Furthermore, some species possess more parasitical genes than others, and the amount of parasitical genes a species possesses is in flux, sometimes a species reduces their overall amount of them, sometimes a species increases their overall amount of them, and these parasitical genes contribute to a species declining birthrate when it does decline, not just the environment.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:05 am

Gloominary wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Sure they do moron, what do you think cancer is to use but one example.
Are many cancers not genetic?

Not only are they genetic, but some parasitical genes that produce cancers and other debilitations are passed down from one generation to the next over the course of thousands or perhaps millions of years.
They inhibit survival, but nonetheless manage to replicate themselves.

Furthermore, some species possess more parasitical genes than others, and the amount of parasitical genes a species possesses is in flux, sometimes a species reduces their overall amount of them, sometimes a species increases their overall amount of them, and these parasitical genes contribute to a species declining birthrate when it does decline, not just the environment.

While disadvantageous genes are less likely to persist than advantageous genes, some disadvantageous genes still persist by accompanying advantageous genes.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:46 am

Gloominary wrote:
There is no devolution. Negative traits do not persist, thats called natural selection.

Sure they do moron, what do you think cancer is to use but one example.
Are many cancers not genetic?

You are clearly the imbecile!!
Have you had any viable progeny, or do women shun you?

Is your cock as impotent as your brain?


I''ll take that as a no. So, case in point. You will not pass on your genes because no woman will have you. You might try rape, but luckily most states still allow abortion.

Cancer

"Are many cancers genetic?" - =D> #-o God help you!

Cancer and other diseases are not relevant.
Evolution works on the reproduction of viable progeny.
Cancer is primarily a disease of old age, and does not impact on Natural Selection, its more an artifact of the human success story. We die of cancer because we live to an old age and most routines illnesses are conquered; typhus, typhoid, mumps, measles, scrofula, polio, etc...
Animals in the wild tend not to get old enough to get cancer.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:48 am

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Species decline and go extinct for internal reasons, not just external ones.


You are making false distinctions.
Care to furnish an example?


I'll take that as a NO.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:00 pm

I read recently that, within the next few decades, over a million species will become extinct.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:16 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
There is no devolution. Negative traits do not persist, thats called natural selection.

Sure they do moron, what do you think cancer is to use but one example.
Are many cancers not genetic?

You are clearly the imbecile!!
Have you had any viable progeny, or do women shun you?

Is your cock as impotent as your brain?


I''ll take that as a no. So, case in point. You will not pass on your genes because no woman will have you. You might try rape, but luckily most states still allow abortion.

I get on fine with women.

Are you

A) An alcoholic
B) On medication
C) Senile
D) Just plain dumb
or E) All of the above?

Cancer

"Are many cancers genetic?" - =D> #-o God help you!

Cancer and other diseases are not relevant.
Evolution works on the reproduction of viable progeny.
Cancer is primarily a disease of old age, and does not impact on Natural Selection, its more an artifact of the human success story. We die of cancer because we live to an old age and most routines illnesses are conquered; typhus, typhoid, mumps, measles, scrofula, polio, etc...
Animals in the wild tend not to get old enough to get cancer.

There are countless debilitations and many of them are genetic.
Autism is another example and it's something people are born with.
Schizophrenia, like you and your brother have, is another.
Cancer occasionally affects the young and middle aged, so it's a detriment, however small.
I don't think you understand how evolution works, genetic mutations are random, and while advantageous mutations tend to get passed on more than disadvantageous mutations (natural selection), many disadvantageous mutations still manage to get passed on and adversely affect species ability to survive.
And a disadvantageous mutation doesn't have to be as dramatic as autism and schizophrenia often are, it could lead to just a small reduction in intelligence, sanity, vitality and so on.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:48 pm

Evolution works on the reproduction of viable genes, not necessarily on the reproduction of viable offspring.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:50 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Evolution works on the reproduction of viable genes, not necessarily on the reproduction of viable offspring.


No.
Unless there is viable offpsring, those genes do not persist.
You can have any many and varied viable genes as you like but until and unless you have offspring those genes will simply rot.

That is the essence of natural selection.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:51 pm

Gloominary wrote:There are countless debilitations and many of them are genetic.
Autism is another example and it's something people are born with.
Schizophrenia, like you and your brother have, is another.
Cancer occasionally affects the young and middle aged, so it's a detriment, however small.
I don't think you understand how evolution works, genetic mutations are random, and while advantageous mutations tend to get passed on more than disadvantageous mutations (natural selection), many disadvantageous mutations still manage to get passed on and adversely affect species ability to survive.
And a disadvantageous mutation doesn't have to be as dramatic as autism and schizophrenia often are, it could lead to just a small reduction in intelligence, sanity, vitality and so on.


So what?
Natural Selection does not care.
You are spewing bollocks.
As you will know yourself. You might have lots of great genes, but because you are a cunt, and no woman will have you all those wonderful genes with their propensity to racism, hatred, and stupidity will not go to the next generation.
And thank fuck for that.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:38 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:There are countless debilitations and many of them are genetic.
Autism is another example and it's something people are born with.
Schizophrenia, like you and your brother have, is another.
Cancer occasionally affects the young and middle aged, so it's a detriment, however small.
I don't think you understand how evolution works, genetic mutations are random, and while advantageous mutations tend to get passed on more than disadvantageous mutations (natural selection), many disadvantageous mutations still manage to get passed on and adversely affect species ability to survive.
And a disadvantageous mutation doesn't have to be as dramatic as autism and schizophrenia often are, it could lead to just a small reduction in intelligence, sanity, vitality and so on.


So what?
Natural Selection does not care.
You are spewing bollocks.
As you will know yourself. You might have lots of great genes, but because you are a cunt, and no woman will have you all those wonderful genes with their propensity to racism, hatred, and stupidity will not go to the next generation.
And thank fuck for that.

A) An alcoholic
B) On medication
C) Senile
D) Just plain dumb
or E) All of the above?

So all of the above then.
I noticed your thinking and writing is more discombobulated at times than others.

You might try rape,

Have you contemplated rape?
Or have you (tried to) rape(d) anyone?

I've had multiple relationships, the longest lasted 4 years, we lived together for over a year.
I'm not anywhere near as racist or hateful as you imagine me to be.
My outlook on these matters is nuanced.

Do you bring your award winning online personality with you offline?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:48 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:Evolution works on the reproduction of viable genes, not necessarily on the reproduction of viable offspring.


No.
Unless there is viable offpsring, those genes do not persist.
You can have any many and varied viable genes as you like but until and unless you have offspring those genes will simply rot.

That is the essence of natural selection.

You don't understand how (d)evolution works, I gave you multiple examples of disadvantageous mutations persisting.
And these bad mutations are in flux.
At times the amount of bad mutations a species has decreases (evolution), at others it increases (devolution).
The amount of bad mutations a species has contributes to its overall survivability.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:02 am

Your simple mind can't help but think binarily.
You think if an individual or group passes on their genes, that all of them must be advantageous.
No simpleton, most of them must've been good enough, at least under the circumstances they were replicated, but many of them may still be bad.
Moreover, many of the bad ones may not affect all offspring evenly.
Moreover, sometimes a mutation replaces a good trait with a less good trait rather than with a bad trait.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:09 am

Gloominary wrote:Your simple mind can't help but think binarily.
You think if an individual or group passes on their genes, all of them must be good.

No, dipshit that is your problem.
There is no such thing as devolution: that is a childish value judgement.
Evolution is about reproductive success, nothing more. Humans despite their failings are great at it. Even a person born with no legs can have children. No other higher mammal is capable of that. Humans inhabit every fucking continent on earth. There is no other land animal that can do that.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:50 am

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Your simple mind can't help but think binarily.
You think if an individual or group passes on their genes, all of them must be good.

No, dipshit that is your problem.
There is no such thing as devolution: that is a childish value judgement.
Evolution is about reproductive success,

Simpleton, you're completely misinterpreting what I wrote.
Are you this dumb, or are you doing it on purpose?
I'm not making a value judgment.
By bad mutations I mean mutations that produce traits that reduce a species birthrate, not mutations I find aesthetically/ethically unappealing.
While bad mutations are necessarily the exception to the rule (good mutations), unless a species is about to go extinct, nonetheless some of them persist.

And the amount of bad mutations a species has is in flux.
There can't be exactly the same amount of bad mutations in a species forever, sometimes there is an increase, other times there is a decrease.
An increase in them can meaningfully be called devolution.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:57 am

Gloominary wrote:An increase in them can meaningfully be called devolution.

Coupled with a decrease in good (advantageous) traits.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:08 am

No, he's really that stupid, unfortunately...
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Re: Devolution

Postby Sculptor » Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:19 am

Gloominary wrote:
Gloominary wrote:An increase in them can meaningfully be called devolution.

Coupled with a decrease in good (advantageous) traits.


Devolution refers to the secession of one state from another, or one nation from a union.

It is also a value judgement about moral and material decline. Because it has a value judgement as it s definition is has no part of discussions about the theory of evolution.

If a species is increasing in number then it is successful.
Evolution can lead to extinction or success.
There are no good or bad traits, there is only fittness of the species to thrive in their environments.

This is why people like Stephen Hawking managed to have three amazing children despite cunts link you telling him he is an example of devolution.
His daughter Lucy is worth a thousand morons like you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Hawking

So fuck off and fulfil your evolutionary destiny before you manage to spawn any more children like you.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:17 pm

Why the venom, Sculptor? Can you not be right on the merits of your argument without the in your face ad homs?
Are your arguments so weak that they must be punctuated with invective?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:10 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Gloominary wrote:An increase in them can meaningfully be called devolution.

Coupled with a decrease in good (advantageous) traits.


Devolution refers to the secession of one state from another, or one nation from a union.

It is also a value judgement about moral and material decline. Because it has a value judgement as it s definition is has no part of discussions about the theory of evolution.

If a species is increasing in number then it is successful.
Evolution can lead to extinction or success.
There are no good or bad traits, there is only fittness of the species to thrive in their environments.

This is why people like Stephen Hawking managed to have three amazing children despite cunts link you telling him he is an example of devolution.
His daughter Lucy is worth a thousand morons like you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Hawking

So fuck off and fulfil your evolutionary destiny before you manage to spawn any more children like you.

Do you have a job, or do you live off your parents/the dole?

Do you have a vehicle *vroom vroom*.

Ever had a GF?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:17 pm

Gloominary,
No ad homs, please. You just make it worse.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:22 pm

Does evolution ever take a step backward?
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:31 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Does evolution ever take a step backward?

Not according to Sculptor, it only moves forwards, because for him, it's a religion, not empirical.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:42 pm

There are two primary forces in evolution, mutations and natural selection.
The former tends to pull species back, the latter tends to push them forward.
Sometimes the former wins out, sometimes the latter.
It's a dance.
For Sculptor, and other members of the cult (progressivism), the latter always wins out.
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Re: Devolution

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:51 pm

Or for them, mutations are (almost) always beneficial rather than what they really are, almost always detrimental.
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