Sustainability, le terme du jour..

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Would you be happy to eat at a sustainably-sourced eatery?

1. Yes.. mmmm, sounds yummy
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2. No way.. I ain’t about that sustainability-life
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Total votes : 9

Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:59 am

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:The fat is that people who take gastric bands do not suddenly get the chance to eat legacy vegetables. They do perfectly well - simply because they are prevented from overeating.
The man is an idiot.

Whatever the causes of the steep rise in overeating may be..

My jury’s out, in that there is more than one..

It's not too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
Hunger is what drives eating.
If you want to know what causes overeating then you need to look into what drives hunger.
Are we agreed so far?
We know that blood sugar (glucose) drives insulin, and that insulin inhibits lectin (the hormone of satiety). We also know that insulin switches off fat burning and commands the body to store fat.
We also know that sucrose is comprised of fructose and glucose. It is hard for the body to use fructose and so when consumed it is immediately converted to liver fat, whilst also suppressing lectin.
We also know that refined carbs start to be converted into sugars in the mouth and are broken down completely before they leave the stomach. Refined carbs are equivalent to sugar.
Excess sugar has other consequences. Insulin acts to store the sugar in the tissues, as excess blood sugar is a toxin especially to blood vessels. Eventually the tissues get overloaded with sugar and reject more by building insulin resistance. This has the effect of requiring the body to pump out more insulin to reduce blood sugar. Meanwhile excess blood sugar attaches itself to haemoglobin, what we call A1C, an excess number of which indicated first pre-diebetes then Type2 diabetes.
All that hunger and fat storage leads to overeating and obesity.
Additionally sugars stimulate the brain's reward system causing cravings.

This is the key mechanism.
Do you have any others to suggest?


Sculptor wrote:I think as long as we avoid food made in factories then we can live healthy lives. Most legacy vegetation is not palatable, and humans were never designed to eat them. If as it seems we are going to be forced to eat less meat then we are going to have to eat modern cultivars. Legacy carrots will not submit to peeling without 60% loss of matter. We do not have the teeth, nor the gut length, to thrive on legacy cabbages, potatoes, etc..

I said ancient cultivars, not prehistoric.. the varieties that households have been growing in their gardens/on their farmland for 100s of years. There’s a growing market for it, you know.

Why do you think modern cultivars faultless?

I do not but neither do I think that any cultivar is what we are evolved to eat. By definition.
Agriculture has only been a part of our experience for between 1000-10000 years.
In northern Europe we only started cultivating about 6000 years ago. That is only 200 generations. No time for significant adaptation. What followed from its inception is a drop in life expectancy.

Sculptor wrote:Yes, and for legacy veg you not only have to cook the fuck out of them you have to cook the shit out of them too.

No, that was for all fibrous produce.. heirloom or otherwise. Not that I eat any of that fibrous or FODMAP poop anyway.. but when I try. : (

Sculptor wrote:Carnivores, Ketovores, Vegans and Vegetarians are not the ones needed the gastric bands.
It the people who have not yet realised that eating shit in packets is killing them slowly.

..by design? :-k

Elvis comes to mind.. in practically eating himself to death, in an era that started the whole fast food/junk food business.


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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:54 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Whatever the causes of the steep rise in overeating may be..

My jury’s out, in that there is more than one..

It's not too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
Hunger is what drives eating.
If you want to know what causes overeating then you need to look into what drives hunger.
Are we agreed so far?
We know that blood sugar (glucose) drives insulin, and that insulin inhibits lectin (the hormone of satiety). We also know that insulin switches off fat burning and commands the body to store fat.
We also know that sucrose is comprised of fructose and glucose. It is hard for the body to use fructose and so when consumed it is immediately converted to liver fat, whilst also suppressing lectin.
We also know that refined carbs start to be converted into sugars in the mouth and are broken down completely before they leave the stomach. Refined carbs are equivalent to sugar.
Excess sugar has other consequences. Insulin acts to store the sugar in the tissues, as excess blood sugar is a toxin especially to blood vessels. Eventually the tissues get overloaded with sugar and reject more by building insulin resistance. This has the effect of requiring the body to pump out more insulin to reduce blood sugar. Meanwhile excess blood sugar attaches itself to haemoglobin, what we call A1C, an excess number of which indicated first pre-diebetes then Type2 diabetes.
All that hunger and fat storage leads to overeating and obesity.
Additionally sugars stimulate the brain's reward system causing cravings.

This is the key mechanism.
Do you have any others to suggest?

Other causal factors may and might exist, as 'triggers' to also overstimulating appetite and cravings.

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Why do you think modern cultivars faultless?

I do not but neither do I think that any cultivar is what we are evolved to eat. By definition.
Agriculture has only been a part of our experience for between 1000-10000 years.
In northern Europe we only started cultivating about 6000 years ago. That is only 200 generations. No time for significant adaptation. What followed from its inception is a drop in life expectancy.

Agreed.. best to eat what works for you, and if that means ‘eggs, meat, cheese, two veg, and citrus’ ..as in my case, then so be it.

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Carnivores, Ketovores, Vegans and Vegetarians are not the ones needed the gastric bands.
It the people who have not yet realised that eating shit in packets is killing them slowly.

..by design? :-k

Elvis comes to mind.. in practically eating himself to death, in an era that started the whole fast food/junk food business.

Elvis and Kellogs the great American marriage

At my local mini-mart, I spot mainly fresh produce, meat and fish, alcohol, and only the odd naughty treat, in other shoppers’ baskets. And I noticed that near-all the many patisseries -at my end of the high-street- have recently shut down, but the Udderlicious and savoury bakeries are still open for business.

I’m glad the consumer has started voting with their pocket, in eating right.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:37 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:This is the key mechanism.
Do you have any others to suggest?

Other causal factors may and might exist, as 'triggers' to also overstimulating appetite and cravings.

.[/quote]

But these triggers relate back to sugar and the stimulation of the limbic/reward system.
Other food tuffs don't do that.
Even of you were encouraged by advertising to crave a nice juicy ribeye; a steak is satiating, because of the high fat and protein content.

Sugar and the carbs from which they are derived are specifically designed by natural selection to cause hunger and fat storage simply because sweetness is a signal that winter is coming.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:30 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Other causal factors may and might exist, as 'triggers' to also overstimulating appetite and cravings.
.
But these triggers relate back to sugar and the stimulation of the limbic/reward system.
Other food tuffs don't do that.

Even of you were encouraged by advertising to crave a nice juicy ribeye; a steak is satiating, because of the high fat and protein content.

The other triggers of cravings are protein and fat, so not just sugar.. though sugars are the most easiest to convert into fat stores, hence their addictive lure and nature.

Sugar and the carbs from which they are derived are specifically designed by natural selection to cause hunger and fat storage simply because sweetness is a signal that winter is coming.

..because it is the easiest food group to sustain the body through a harsh Winter.. something that most moderns attempt to override or limit.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:14 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Other causal factors may and might exist, as 'triggers' to also overstimulating appetite and cravings.
.
But these triggers relate back to sugar and the stimulation of the limbic/reward system.
Other food tuffs don't do that.

Even of you were encouraged by advertising to crave a nice juicy ribeye; a steak is satiating, because of the high fat and protein content.

The other triggers of cravings are protein and fat, so not just sugar.. though sugars are the most easiest to convert into fat stores, hence their addictive lure and nature.

Fat satiates.
Protein satiates.
Carbs do the opposite.

Sugar and the carbs from which they are derived are specifically designed by natural selection to cause hunger and fat storage simply because sweetness is a signal that winter is coming.

..because it is the easiest food group to sustain the body through a harsh Winter.. something that most moderns attempt to override or limit.


Well its the fat that sustains, its the sugar that stimulates fat deposition.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:40 pm

Sculptor wrote:Fat satiates.
Protein satiates.
Carbs do the opposite.

I don’t mean starchy carbs, but the beneficial digestible species of plant matter.. the vitamins minerals and fibre they contain also being beneficial for maximal satiation.. along with the fats and protein from meat and dairy.

Sculptor wrote:Well its the fat that sustains, its the sugar that stimulates fat deposition.

Control sugar/carb intake, control the problem..

A gym-goer or athlete cannot build a physique on fat, for energy alone.. it’s all about One’s end goal, I’d say.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:42 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Fat satiates.
Protein satiates.
Carbs do the opposite.

I don’t mean starchy carbs, but the beneficial digestible species of plant matter.. the vitamins minerals and fibre they contain also being beneficial for maximal satiation.. along with the fats and protein from meat and dairy.

Sculptor wrote:Well its the fat that sustains, its the sugar that stimulates fat deposition.

Control sugar/carb intake, control the problem..

A gym-goer or athlete cannot build a physique on fat, for energy alone.. it’s all about One’s end goal, I’d say.


Fat is not just for energy. Fat is found in every cell in the body and the brain is mostly fat.
You also need protein for body building.

Of the four macronutrient the only two you need is fat and protein.

You an completely live without carbs, either digestible and non digestible (fibre).
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:43 pm

A bowl of grapes can extend your life 5 years..

Or maybe not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEV-GH6UGw
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:51 am

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:A gym-goer or athlete cannot build a physique on fat, for energy alone.. it’s all about One’s end goal, I’d say.

Fat is not just for energy. Fat is found in every cell in the body and the brain is mostly fat.

“Because fat metabolism requires more chemical reactions in cells than metabolizing carbs does, it takes longer to produce the samey amount of energy, meaning people who switch to burning fat can only exercise at a lower intensity compared to those who are burning carbs. 11 Aug 2016”
https://www.livescience.com/55732-do-fa ... -work.html

..bad news for me ^^^ as not an optimal metabolic-state to weight-train or work-out in, is it..

..nothing a pre-workout coffee and orange can’t solve.. i.e., fuelling up beforehand.

Sculptor wrote:You also need protein for body building.

Well tell that to a longtime weight-trainer, why don’t ya. ; )

Sculptor wrote:Of the four macronutrient the only two you need is fat and protein.

You an completely live without carbs, either digestible and non digestible (fibre).

“When the body doesn't have enough carbohydrates, it does increase its breakdown of fat, according to a 2015 study in the journal Metabolism Clinical and Experimental. In that study, ultra-endurance marathoners who were on an extremely low-carb diet could burn fat at twice the rate of those who were on a high-carb diet.”

..good news for you ^^^ ..and me, somewhat.

“Still, low-carb, high-fat diets almost always lead to lower performance, according to more than a dozen studies conducted from 1960s to the 2000s.”

I tend to eat (keto/paleo-friendly) carbs on a 'need to' basis.. so either if my energy is flagging really badly, or if needed for pre or post workout energy.

Playing it, by ear..
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:18 pm

Sculptor wrote:A bowl of grapes can extend your life 5 years..

Or maybe not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEV-GH6UGw

I never bought into the 5[7]-a-day recommendation [scam] ..people were lucky if they even got through 1-a-day, let alone 2 or more. lol

Of course it was only ever about profit.. not caring.

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Now it’s up to 10-a-day.. who can get through all that >>> what a portion size looks like: https://www.goodto.com/wellbeing/health ... pics-63967 Who on Earth can get through 10 portions of any of those ^^^ every single day?

Is 5 a day enough?

We've been told to eat five portions of fruit and veg a day for as long as we can remember. It's something we've all been brought up with, but now it seems this number might be a little on the low side. We might have all heard the rumours of the 5 a day increasing to 7 a day but what about even higher?

Amanda Callenberg, nutritionist at YourZooki (opens in new tab) agrees. She says we really should be aiming more than this.

In fact, she reckons we should go for 7 portions of vegetables and 3 portions of fruit per day. That's 10 portions overall!

Why so many?

'The quality of produce we get today is quite poor and depleted of vital nutrients, so we need to be consuming a much higher amount of vegetables and fruit to ensure we are meeting our daily nutrient needs. We also need to think about fibre when we think about health. Fibre is abundant in plants and it has been shown that people who eat a fibre rich diet, and those who include 8 portions or more of vegetables and fruit have a much lower risk of suffering from many chronic diseases.'


Don't think this is achievable? It's actually far simpler than you think with our simple guide. There's also plenty of other surprising foods which count towards your 5 a day!
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:25 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:A bowl of grapes can extend your life 5 years..

Or maybe not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEV-GH6UGw

I never bought into the 5[7]-a-day recommendation [scam] ..people were lucky if they even got through 1-a-day, let alone 2 or more. lol
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my post is not related to five a day
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:17 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:A bowl of grapes can extend your life 5 years..

Or maybe not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEV-GH6UGw

I never bought into the 5[7]-a-day recommendation [scam] ..people were lucky if they even got through 1-a-day, let alone 2 or more. lol
]

my post is not related to five a day

My reply is pertinent to the discussion.. have your’s been, throughout?
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:44 pm

MagsJ wrote:My reply is pertinent to the discussion.. have your’s been, throughout?


I posted two things
One claim that a bowl of grapes a day will make you live 5 years longer, from a study funded by grape producers.
And a response from a doctor who looked at the research in detail from where the so-called "journalists" made the claim.
This was not about five a day.
I thought you might like it.
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Postby MagsJ » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:38 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:My reply is pertinent to the discussion.. have your’s been, throughout?

I posted two things
One claim that a bowl of grapes a day will make you live 5 years longer, from a study funded by grape producers.
And a response from a doctor who looked at the research in detail from where the so-called "journalists" made the claim.
This was not about five a day.
I thought you might like it.

Ok ..though growers recommending their produce as 'vital' probably inspired the great 5-a-day campaign.. buy land, plant a variety of produce, tout them all as the great saviour of health and humanity, pay Social-Media influencers to tout the campaign for you, then watch the cash roll in.

Hmmm.. I’ve just realised that there’s next-to-no TV food advertisements.. when did that happen? About time though.. adverts should be aids to optimal living, not aids to lining manufacturers’ pockets with fat profits of billions, whilst the consumer struggles with health issues and subsisting.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:47 pm

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This burger would send me to the nearest hospital, if I ever ate one..
the bun, the plant-based patty, the additives and flavourings.. all
being inconducive to an optimal health, and not a sustainable one.

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The first and the last comments are especially pertinent..

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:55 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
This burger would send me to the nearest hospital, if I ever ate one..
the bun, the plant-based patty, the additives and flavourings.. all
being inconducive to an optimal health, and not a sustainable one.

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The first and the last comments are especially pertinent..

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Surely this is completely fake?

PS.
I was so horrified I did not notice Austria. and read Australia.!!
This would never happen down under.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:11 pm

Sculptor wrote:Surely this is completely fake?

PS.
I was so horrified I did not notice Austria. and read Australia.!!
This would never happen down under.

..you weren’t the only one.. if the comments section is anything to go by.

..still surprised that B.K. Austria implemented this though -the home of the schnitzel and other such meaty dishes- but that restaurant may well be a franchise and so not representative of the B.K. chain in general. Nope it ain’t.. B.K. is touting vegan options as the ‘regular’ option in all its joints, unless you specifically ask for the meat-based option, you’ll get the soy-based option.. not that the vegan option is any more healthier/less calorific than the original ‘regular’, so why soy over meat?
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:13 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Surely this is completely fake?

PS.
I was so horrified I did not notice Austria. and read Australia.!!
This would never happen down under.

..you weren’t the only one.. if the comments section is anything to go by.

..still surprised that B.K. Austria implemented this though -the home of the schnitzel and other such meaty dishes- but that restaurant may well be a franchise and so not representative of the B.K. chain in general. Nope it ain’t.. B.K. is touting vegan options as the ‘regular’ option in all its joints, unless you specifically ask for the meat-based option, you’ll get the soy-based option.. not that the vegan option is any more healthier/less calorific than the original ‘regular’, so why soy over meat?


I was browsing through a bookshop this morning and saw the title "How to go Plant Based". It's an indication that now you do not even have to justify the idea of going plant based - it is just assumed we must.
It's reached the level of a fad, a marketing ploy to attract "life-style choice" type thinking.
Buy Doritos and Oreos!! They are Vegan!! The fact that BK has done this asserts that its a no brainer. Its more like a desperate attempt to make fast food look greener, and healthier.
It's like McDonalds patting themselves on the back for converting their spend frying oil into biofuel for their lorries. The actual truth is that they are slowing poisoning the populace with vegetable oils.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:50 pm

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Why take a perfectly good cheese and ruin it with cheap flavour-enhancing msg salt? ..well that’s only what Le Rustique has gone and done.. the recession got to them, for them to want to maintain last year’s profit margin by changing to a cheaper salt.


Shortly after eating a very small amount in my eggs this morning, I looked and felt awful.. I panicked, then thought.. I web-searched ‘lymphatic drainage’, then did it.. my body and mind, now recovered, from the allergic reaction.. the cheese, in the [recycling] bin.

The cheese was much saltier than before.. I knew I should have left it well alone, from then/that realisation. Way to go Le Rustique, on how to ruin a once-good product. :icon-rolleyes:
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:13 pm

Sculptor wrote:I was browsing through a bookshop this morning and saw the title "How to go Plant Based". It's an indication that now you do not even have to justify the idea of going plant based - it is just assumed we must.
It's reached the level of a fad, a marketing ploy to attract "life-style choice" type thinking.
Buy Doritos and Oreos!! They are Vegan!! The fact that BK has done this asserts that its a no brainer. Its more like a desperate attempt to make fast food look greener, and healthier.

Yea.. because the local McDonalds and other fast-food joints are more empty than full, these days.

They ain’t done tryna poison us. :lol:

It's like McDonalds patting themselves on the back for converting their spend frying oil into biofuel for their lorries.
The actual truth is that they are slowing poisoning the populace with vegetable oils.

They are poisoning us, full stop.. msg now in every-day foods, lectin-based vegan 'meats', vegetable oils in prolific use, etc. etc. etc..
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:13 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:I was browsing through a bookshop this morning and saw the title "How to go Plant Based". It's an indication that now you do not even have to justify the idea of going plant based - it is just assumed we must.
It's reached the level of a fad, a marketing ploy to attract "life-style choice" type thinking.
Buy Doritos and Oreos!! They are Vegan!! The fact that BK has done this asserts that its a no brainer. Its more like a desperate attempt to make fast food look greener, and healthier.

Yea.. because the local McDonalds and other fast-food joints are more empty than full, these days.

They ain’t done tryna poison us. :lol:

It's like McDonalds patting themselves on the back for converting their spend frying oil into biofuel for their lorries.
The actual truth is that they are slowing poisoning the populace with vegetable oils.

They are poisoning us, full stop.. msg now in every-day foods, lectin-based vegan 'meats', vegetable oils in prolific use, etc. etc. etc..


Apparently they used to make their fries from tallow and they used to taste great. These days the fryers have to have special filers and cleaning solvents to rid themselves of back carcinogenic tar that forms in the workings.

I'd be more interested to see McDonald's offering fries cooked in real fat like tallow or lard than the toxic blend of motor oil that is made from soy and corn: they should not cook with it but just put it straight in the lorries.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:19 am

Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:22 am

Ichthus77 wrote:https://youtu.be/Z6oeAdemFZw

Soon.


I could not watch the whole thing as these films were one of the greatest film disappointments I can think of.
I love Steve Martin. As a stand he was supreme. I saw all the orignal Saturday Night Lives he hosted when I lived in LA. He was a great asset to the rest of the cast; Chevy Chase, John Belushi, Dan Ackroid, Bill Murray, and Gilda Radner. It was a high spot in US comedy.
I also lived the original Pink Panther films. Few men on earth were as great a comic actor as Peter Sellers, and his portrayal of Clouseau was unimpeachable.
But here we see Martin just trying too hard to be funny. He's just lost all sense of proportion. Not in the least funny. For a sketch like this to work it has be be credible and ridiculous. What we have here is just annoying clowning around. The only way this could be credible is if the student were trying to piss off the teacher. But that is not the meaning of the sketch.
It is no wonder the films were a flop.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:13 pm

I grew up on some Pink Panther because my dad was a fan lol, and grew up more on Saturday Night Live & Steve Martin (love him in The Jerk especially). I guess this scene works as credible for me because his facial expressions exactly match the innocence of a child trying their best to correctly copy their teacher/mother in order to complete the obstacle and move on to whatever they were looking forward to afterwards—hence his appropriate child-like frustration about not quitting.

But I shared it because I can’t wait to get a burger at my university grill as the semester is starting. My brain connections offered up this memory. I always, always, always wish I had the balls to order a hamburger like this. I find it hilarious. It would only work if I was certain the cashier was familiar with it.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:38 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:I grew up on some Pink Panther because my dad was a fan lol, and grew up more on Saturday Night Live & Steve Martin (love him in The Jerk especially). I guess this scene works as credible for me because his facial expressions exactly match the innocence of a child trying their best to correctly copy their teacher/mother in order to complete the obstacle and move on to whatever they were looking forward to afterwards—hence his appropriate child-like frustration about not quitting.

But I shared it because I can’t wait to get a burger at my university grill as the semester is starting. My brain connections offered up this memory. I always, always, always wish I had the balls to order a hamburger like this. I find it hilarious. It would only work if I was certain the cashier was familiar with it.


You should really just do it! What do you care what people think? Make sure you have some friends with you and ask away!!

As for Peter Sellers...

I looked this up, and despite knowing what dialogue to expect, when I heard it just now of the upteeth time it totally cracked my tickle muscle...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm2TAL53wVc

Note the gentle subtlety. It is hilarious because it is not overworked.
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