Sustainability, le terme du jour..

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Would you be happy to eat at a sustainably-sourced eatery?

1. Yes.. mmmm, sounds yummy
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2. No way.. I ain’t about that sustainability-life
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:50 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Their carbon footprint must be dire, and their overuse of preservatives.. criminal.

I was more a Wimpy and Burger King type.. both their bean burgers were to die-for.. I don’t do fast food anymore, not since 1997.. only really frequented the above two places and Pizza Hut, anyway.

I'm pretty sure that MacDonald's' is keen to sustain their production of burgers. And since our running definition of sustainable seems to be something like "sourcing food from the scraps of restaurants and supermarkets, to repurpose for creating sustainably-derived dishes. "
It would indicate that once again the whole thread is pretty empty headed.

PS As far as I know Mac burgers are claimed to be 100% beef - no preservatives.
And let's hope that the claim much of the beef comes from Brazil since the quality of the meat is better than US beef fed on corn and hormones.

Do you remember that time, that for years MacDonald's sustained the claim that their fries were 100% potato and it turned out that they never were.. why lie about that? I’m sure that their 100% 'beef' burger is heavily preserved.. just like the rest of their products are. I stopped eating fast food when I started getting sick/intolerant to it, and then they started adding those same suped-up preservatives to every-day foods and I stopped eating those too.. and now I ate like my ancient ancestors and love it.

Seriously no I do not remember that.
I would have thought is simple enough to test a burger and sue Macdonalds for large sums of cash. So why not do it?

Have you seen the videos of peoples’ MacDonald's meal being perfectly preserved and mould-less, months and years later? Is that a natural preservative, do you think?

No.
What makes you think they are real?
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Not just MacDonald's, but Subway are also equally guilty of using synthetic additives in their products. Have you ever watched Food Unwrapped? a food show that tells you what’s really in our food.

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I never get scientific information from the gutter press, as they are notorious at bullshiting.
And I would not even wipe my arse with the Daily Mail.

But all this is pretty much irrelevant.
I'm not here to defend fast foods.
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Do you remember that time, that for years MacDonald's sustained the claim that their fries were 100% potato and it turned out that they never were.. why lie about that? I’m sure that their 100% 'beef' burger is heavily preserved.. just like the rest of their products are. I stopped eating fast food when I started getting sick/intolerant to it, and then they started adding those same suped-up preservatives to every-day foods and I stopped eating those too.. and now I ate like my ancient ancestors and love it.

Seriously no I do not remember that.
I would have thought is simple enough to test a burger and sue Macdonalds for large sums of cash. So why not do it?

..because, in this ethically-forsaken country, companies do not have to proclaim if their produce contains any additives, thanks to EU policy.. so there’s nothing to sue over, you see.

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In other countries, you can get to see what’s really in processed produce [wine, fruit juice, tinned goods, frozen goods, dried fruit, most things lol] ..truly shocking. :shock:

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Have you seen the videos of peoples’ MacDonald's meal being perfectly preserved and mould-less, months and years later? Is that a natural preservative, do you think?

No.
What makes you think they are real?

What makes you think they aren’t?

Sculptor wrote:But all this is pretty much irrelevant.
I'm not here to defend fast foods.
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.

“A whopping 19 ingredients (potatoes, canola oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor, hydrolyzed wheat, hydrolyzed milk, citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane, dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate, salt, canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, TBHQ, citric acid, ...19 Aug 2018

I would say.. that MacDonald’s fries are not sustainability-friendly.. not with all those ingredients to cultivate and process, they ain’t.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:52 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Do you remember that time, that for years MacDonald's sustained the claim that their fries were 100% potato and it turned out that they never were.. why lie about that? I’m sure that their 100% 'beef' burger is heavily preserved.. just like the rest of their products are. I stopped eating fast food when I started getting sick/intolerant to it, and then they started adding those same suped-up preservatives to every-day foods and I stopped eating those too.. and now I ate like my ancient ancestors and love it.

Seriously no I do not remember that.
I would have thought is simple enough to test a burger and sue Macdonalds for large sums of cash. So why not do it?

..because, in this ethically-forsaken country, companies do not have to proclaim if their produce contains any additives, thanks to EU policy.. so there’s nothing to sue over, you see.

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In other countries, you can get to see what’s really in processed produce [wine, fruit juice, tinned goods, frozen goods, dried fruit, most things lol] ..truly shocking. :shock:

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Have you seen the videos of peoples’ MacDonald's meal being perfectly preserved and mould-less, months and years later? Is that a natural preservative, do you think?

No.
What makes you think they are real?

What makes you think they aren’t?

Sculptor wrote:But all this is pretty much irrelevant.
I'm not here to defend fast foods.
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.

“A whopping 19 ingredients (potatoes, canola oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor, hydrolyzed wheat, hydrolyzed milk, citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane, dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate, salt, canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, TBHQ, citric acid, ...19 Aug 2018

I would say.. that MacDonald’s fries are not sustainability-friendly.. not with all those ingredients to cultivate and process, they ain’t.


Seriousy???
WTF do you not understand by this sentence?
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.

Whether a food has preservatives or not is not in any way related to sustainability.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:54 am

Sculptor wrote:Seriousy???
WTF do you not understand by this sentence?
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.

Whether a food has preservatives or not is not in any way related to sustainability.

MacDonald’s as a case study:

..and I had said: “I would say.. that MacDonald’s fries are not sustainability-friendly.. not with all those ingredients to cultivate and process, they ain’t.”

MacDonald’s buys 3.4 billion pounds of potatoes per year, from Bill Gates apparently, and sells over 9 million lbs of french fries per day.. so producing those 19 ingredients that are used on their fries, requires a lot of processing and growing of them first, coz.. you know, they need to be manufactured first, enough for 9 million lbs of fries per day.

They, and other such companies, leave hefty carbon footprints behind them: “the more than 53m metric tons of greenhouse gas that McDonald's produced in 2019, exceeds that of several European nations' emissions.” :o


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Manufacturing in general:

Manufacturing a single preservative flavouring or colouring, takes a lot of manufacturing, to create just that one additive.. for example, to create a single flavour can use up to 100 lab-made chemicals just to create that one flavour.

You do know manufacturing plants and processes require a huge amount of energy consumption, right? ..running the factory, growing the produce, creating/manufacturing the additives, making the product, making the packaging, transportation, etc.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:24 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Seriousy???
WTF do you not understand by this sentence?
But you have not offered any evidence that these are not sustainable. Preservative could be as sustainable as anything else.

Whether a food has preservatives or not is not in any way related to sustainability.

MacDonald’s as a case study:

..and I had said: “I would say.. that MacDonald’s fries are not sustainability-friendly.. not with all those ingredients to cultivate and process, they ain’t.”

MacDonald’s buys 3.4 billion pounds of potatoes per year, from Bill Gates apparently, and sells over 9 million lbs of french fries per day.. so producing those 19 ingredients that are used on their fries, requires a lot of processing and growing of them first, coz.. you know, they need to be manufactured first, enough for 9 million lbs of fries per day.

They, and other such companies, leave hefty carbon footprints behind them: “the more than 53m metric tons of greenhouse gas that McDonald's produced in 2019, exceeds that of several European nations' emissions.” :o


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Manufacturing in general:

Manufacturing a single preservative flavouring or colouring, takes a lot of manufacturing, to create just that one additive.. for example, to create a single flavour can use up to 100 lab-made chemicals just to create that one flavour.

You do know manufacturing plants and processes require a huge amount of energy consumption, right? ..running the factory, growing the produce, creating/manufacturing the additives, making the product, making the packaging, transportation, etc.


All these things makes their business sustainable.
There are many such examples.
Jam production makes growing strawberries and raspberries a sustainable activity since it enables the vendor to sell his wares when the fruit is out of season.
Clearly, though, to make jam you will need to add one of the most dangerous dietary preservatives available: sugar.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:51 pm

Sculptor wrote:All these things makes their business sustainable.
There are many such examples.
Jam production makes growing strawberries and raspberries a sustainable activity since it enables the vendor to sell his wares when the fruit is out of season.
Clearly, though, to make jam you will need to add one of the most dangerous dietary preservatives available: sugar.

There are a couple of brands of jam that have no sugar added.. I went to buy a marmalade a few days ago, and they were out of stock of all those brands. I can wait.

Such jams are much more environmentally friendly and sustainability-compliant, than those with sugar added.. they taste so much better too.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:33 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:All these things makes their business sustainable.
There are many such examples.
Jam production makes growing strawberries and raspberries a sustainable activity since it enables the vendor to sell his wares when the fruit is out of season.
Clearly, though, to make jam you will need to add one of the most dangerous dietary preservatives available: sugar.

There are a couple of brands of jam that have no sugar added.. I went to buy a marmalade a few days ago, and they were out of stock of all those brands. I can wait.

Such jams are much more environmentally friendly and sustainability-compliant, than those with sugar added.. they taste so much better too.


Until you say what you mean by sustainable to the whole thread is nonsense.

There is no such thing as a jam with no added sugar. You'd have to replace is with something, since the natural sugar content of fruit does not permit it to be jam.
There is almost no sugar in strawberries, the sweetness is a natural sweetner.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:31 am

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Sustainability is the balance between the environment, equity, and economy

Sustainable practices are practices that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs, and support ecological, human, and economic health and vitality.

Sustainability presumes that resources are finite, and should be used conservatively and wisely with a view to long-term priorities and consequences of the ways in which resources are used.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:06 am

Sculptor wrote:There is no such thing as a jam with no added sugar. You'd have to replace is with something, since the natural sugar content of fruit does not permit it to be jam.
There is almost no sugar in strawberries, the sweetness is a natural sweetner.

Sugarless jams are classed as preserves or compotes and use a different type of pectin to set the product with.. the fruit is lightly crushed (as opposed to mashed) and makes up over more than 50% of the product, of which less-sweet flavour’s may be enhanced by added grape juice.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:25 pm

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All about da beaver.. less beavers, the cause of the world-wide floods..
well, that and extreme-deforestation resulting in weak windbreaks.

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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:54 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:There is no such thing as a jam with no added sugar. You'd have to replace is with something, since the natural sugar content of fruit does not permit it to be jam.
There is almost no sugar in strawberries, the sweetness is a natural sweetner.

Sugarless jams are classed as preserves or compotes and use a different type of pectin to set the product with.. the fruit is lightly crushed (as opposed to mashed) and makes up over more than 50% of the product, of which less-sweet flavour’s may be enhanced by added grape juice.


The fact that you are forced to use artificial preservatives to keep them, does that make them more or less "sustainable". If so why, if not why?
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:56 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Sustainability is the balance between the environment, equity, and economy

Sustainable practices are practices that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs, and support ecological, human, and economic health and vitality.

Sustainability presumes that resources are finite, and should be used conservatively and wisely with a view to long-term priorities and consequences of the ways in which resources are used.


In other words - nothing to do with preservatives or artificial additive.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:28 pm

Sculptor wrote:The fact that you are forced to use artificial preservatives to keep them, does that make them more or less "sustainable". If so why, if not why?

This question is way below my pay-grade.. so go ask Google, or some other Browser or other.

What do you think?
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:34 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Sustainability presumes that resources are finite, and should be used conservatively and wisely with a view to long-term priorities and consequences of the ways in which resources are used.
In other words - nothing to do with preservatives or artificial additive.

The dumb inheriting the Earth? Please no! [-o<

I gave you a very long leash in this thread, and all you did was abuse it.. f off!
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:40 am

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Additives, by the trillions-of-tonnes, need to be manufactured.. are you being deliberately obtuse again? is your name A Shieldmaiden, masquerading as Sculptor, or is it the other way round.. coz you sure both have the same M. O. with me.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:18 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Additives, by the trillions-of-tonnes, need to be manufactured..

Please cite! Or is this just more hyperbole?
... are you being deliberately obtuse again? is your name A Shieldmaiden, masquerading as Sculptor, or is it the other way round.. coz you sure both have the same M. O. with me.


No not deliberately obtuse, just avoiding incoherently diffuse and vague statements.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:20 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Sustainability presumes that resources are finite, and should be used conservatively and wisely with a view to long-term priorities and consequences of the ways in which resources are used.
In other words - nothing to do with preservatives or artificial additive.

The dumb inheriting the Earth? Please no! [-o<

I gave you a very long leash in this thread, and all you did was abuse it.. f off!


You still have not said what the thread is really about.
This is more about a weakly defined greenish fear than anything substantive.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:25 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:_
Additives, by the trillions-of-tonnes, need to be manufactured..

Please cite! Or is this just more hyperbole?
... are you being deliberately obtuse again? is your name A Shieldmaiden, masquerading as Sculptor, or is it the other way round.. coz you sure both have the same M. O. with me.

No not deliberately obtuse, just avoiding incoherently diffuse and vague statements.

Would or would not the trillions of tonnes of processed foods/medicines/drinks/beauty products/toiletries etc. being manufactured globally, require trillions of tonnes of additives? Now that’s a lot of processing.

https://cpdonline.co.uk/knowledge-base/ ... lation-uk/

The less-processed consumer products are, the more sustainable they are to produce..

I went to buy some washing-up-liquid yesterday and Fairy Liquid is selling at 2 for £2, when it was previously at £1.55 a bottle.. the eco options have come right down in price, so as to now be highly competitive with the 'old guard' brands, so swapping unnatural-artificial for natural-biodegradable foods.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:59 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Sustainability presumes that resources are finite, and should be used conservatively and wisely with a view to long-term priorities and consequences of the ways in which resources are used.

In other words - nothing to do with preservatives or artificial additive.

The more processed/additive-containing consumer goods are, the less sustainable and environmentally-friendly they are.. and don’t even get me started on the health issues they cause, that medicines then need to be manufactured in order to remedy them.. a cycle of excessive toxic manufacturing is then set in motion.

Sculptor wrote:You still have not said what the thread is really about.

This is more about a weakly defined greenish fear than anything substantive.

The opposite, in-fact.. the OP was an inquiry, into how far a person would go in-order to optimise and sustain their sustainability life-style. Not that far, it seems.

I have the total opposite of 'a greenish fear'.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:29 am

MagsJ wrote:The opposite, in-fact.. the OP was an inquiry, into how far a person would go in-order to optimise and sustain their sustainability life-style. Not that far, it seems.

I have the total opposite of 'a greenish fear'.


No the OP was a poor question that anyone cold answer negatively or positively regardless of their greenness.

I can explain further but you seem to want to talk only about preservatives.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:42 am

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MagsJ wrote:The opposite, in-fact.. the OP was an inquiry, into how far a person would go in-order to optimise and sustain their sustainability life-style. Not that far, it seems.

I have the total opposite of 'a greenish fear'.


No the OP was a poor question that anyone cold answer negatively or positively regardless of their greenness.

I can explain further but you seem to want to talk only about preservatives.

Please do explain further.. preservatives, not to be spoken of again.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:02 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:The opposite, in-fact.. the OP was an inquiry, into how far a person would go in-order to optimise and sustain their sustainability life-style. Not that far, it seems.

I have the total opposite of 'a greenish fear'.


No the OP was a poor question that anyone cold answer negatively or positively regardless of their greenness.

I can explain further but you seem to want to talk only about preservatives.

Please do explain further.. preservatives, not to be spoken of again.


Okay.
So, despite what you really want to ask, here is what you actually asked and made a quiz for.

Would you be happy to eat at a sustainably-sourced eatery?

I really green person might well answer no, since they might feel that the necessary machinations of civilized life, rents, rates, street lighting, industry that creates ovens and cutlery and the rest of the panoply of a capitalised project to cook for other people is not ultimately sustainable nor in any sense green.

On the other hand a petrol head who does not give a shit about polluting the planet, has shares in big pharma, big food, and the oil industry, having no care could well be as happy eating such an eatery as anywhere else.

Personally I did not answer the question. One reason is that for the most part eateries claiming to be "sustainable" is false for several reasons. In the long term and in the short term there is almost zero difference in sustainability between such eateries and any other. "Sustainablity; green; organic" are life-style choices, yet another USP and marketing ploy to offer an alternative. Its like buying "low fat", - this means added sugar. Or "low sugar" which means more artificial sweetener. "Lower salt" on a bag of crisps (pot chips), when the real problem eating crisps is the carbs and trans fats.

We are constantly bombarded with such choices to make us think we are doing the right thing is buying such stuff but in the end we would probably do better to not buy at all.

An eatery, any eatery, even an eatery claiming to be has a prime objective - making money.
What might they be peddling that looks other than it proports to be?
Guaranteed organic French Beans? Problem is they are flown in from Kenya.
Responsibly sourced Tuna - problem is they are packed with mercury - Tuna has one of the highest being a predator.

So what did you really want to find out?
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:50 pm

Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
MagsJ wrote: “The opposite, in-fact.. the OP was an inquiry, into how far a person would go in-order to optimise and sustain their sustainability life-style. Not that far, it seems.

I have the total opposite of 'a greenish fear'.”


No the OP was a poor question that anyone cold answer negatively or positively regardless of their greenness.

I can explain further but you seem to want to talk only about preservatives.

Please do explain further.. preservatives, not to be spoken of again.

Okay.
So, despite what you really want to ask, here is what you actually asked and made a quiz for.

Would you be happy to eat at a sustainably-sourced eatery?

I really green person might well answer no, since they might feel that the necessary machinations of civilized life, rents, rates, street lighting, industry that creates ovens and cutlery and the rest of the panoply of a capitalised project to cook for other people is not ultimately sustainable nor in any sense green.

On the other hand a petrol head who does not give a shit about polluting the planet, has shares in big pharma, big food, and the oil industry, having no care could well be as happy eating such an eatery as anywhere else.

No the OP was a poor question that anyone cold answer negatively or positively regardless of their greenness.

..and that was exactly what I was inquiring after, in the complexity of the sustainability/green issue and concerns, in that where is a definitive line drawn.. in different places for different people, it seems.

So say when I eat out, I wouldn’t dine at an eatery that served scavenged produce, but I would expect the venue itself to operate and run sustainably.. whereas it could be the opposite for others, in eating scavenged-produce but not concerned about anything beyond that.

Personally I did not answer the question. One reason is that for the most part eateries claiming to be "sustainable" is false for several reasons. In the long term and in the short term there is almost zero difference in sustainability between such eateries and any other. "Sustainablity; green; organic" are life-style choices, yet another USP and marketing ploy to offer an alternative. Its like buying "low fat", - this means added sugar. Or "low sugar" which means more artificial sweetener. "Lower salt" on a bag of crisps (pot chips), when the real problem eating crisps is the carbs and trans fats.

We are constantly bombarded with such choices to make us think we are doing the right thing is buying such stuff but in the end we would probably do better to not buy at all.

Indeed.. was that in Metabolical?

I am very well-aware of all that.. more people should try to become more aware of all that. Remember during Brexit, when the EU said that if we leave we’ll be missing out on continental biscuits, and we all laughed and said we’ll be all the more healthier for it?

I buy British produce whenever I can and try to live sustainably in general, but I always wonder if I can do more.. and if so, what!?

An eatery, any eatery, even an eatery claiming to be has a prime objective - making money.
What might they be peddling that looks other than it proports to be?
Guaranteed organic French Beans? Problem is they are flown in from Kenya.
Responsibly sourced Tuna - problem is they are packed with mercury - Tuna has one of the highest being a predator.

All that non-sustainable nonsense is being rectified where possible, and that is a good place to start as any.. the less of a market there is for such things, the less of them there will be on our shelves and in our shops.

So what did you really want to find out?

I wanted to open up a dialogue about the topic, gauge thoughts on the matter, etc… and not just regarding food, but clothes, lifestyle, household goods and products, etc.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby Sculptor » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:58 pm

MagsJ wrote:Indeed.. was that in Metabolical?

Not in so few words but yes.
And you might want to consider "Spoon Fed" by Professsor Tim Spector.
They both recommend the avoidance of processed food and recommend avoiding especially refined carbs.

This is a different issue since there is no direct overlap to "sustainable".


I am very well-aware of all that.. more people should try to become more aware of all that. Remember during Brexit, when the EU said that if we leave we’ll be missing out on continental biscuits, and we all laughed and said we’ll be all the more healthier for it?

I buy British produce whenever I can and try to live sustainably in general, but I always wonder if I can do more.. and if so, what!?

An eatery, any eatery, even an eatery claiming to be has a prime objective - making money.
What might they be peddling that looks other than it proports to be?
Guaranteed organic French Beans? Problem is they are flown in from Kenya.
Responsibly sourced Tuna - problem is they are packed with mercury - Tuna has one of the highest being a predator.

All that non-sustainable nonsense is being rectified where possible, and that is a good place to start as any.. the less of a market there is for such things, the less of them there will be on our shelves and in our shops.

So what did you really want to find out?

I wanted to open up a dialogue about the topic, gauge thoughts on the matter, etc… and not just regarding food, but clothes, lifestyle, household goods and products, etc.


My overriding thought here is that the human population as it is, - nay as it was 100 years ago is inherently unsustainable if we want to keep the earth in good fettle.
Until we address that, most of us will continue to live in poverty and have to eat fake food to live.
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Re: Sustainability, le terme du jour..

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:18 pm

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Elon Musk, on a sustainable future..

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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