Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World War?

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Are you on the side of Russia or on the side of Ukraine?

On the side of Russia.
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On the side of Ukrania.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Alf » Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:56 pm

Sculptor wrote:Your grasp of geopolitics is rubbish.

Do you have nothing to say at home?

Or why do you always think you can insult where it can happen anonymously? You are obviously not allowed to do so at home.

No wonder: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=197361 .

Sculptor wrote:Japan and Australia are both in the West.

Is it really possible to be SO stupid?

My graphics are not difficult to understand.

2000:
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2000:
Japan, for example, was more powerful than China.
The national complex of the West was more powerful than the digital-financial complex of the West.
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2020:
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China was more powerful than Japan, even, at least in certain aspects, as powerful as the USA or the EU.
The digital-financial complex of the West was more powerful than the national complex of the West.
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Ireland and Belgium, for example, are also part of the West and yet not mentioned in my graphics. Northern Trust and Netflix, for example, are also part of the West and yet not mentioned in my graphics. So what? Everybody understands that not all parts of the West can be mentioned here (for space reasons!), but only the most relevant or biggest powers are mentioned. This is what the circles and rectangles are supposed to express. Besides, my graphics say "a.o.", but you do not seem to understand what "a.O." means: "and others". If my graphics would consider every nation, every state, every organization, it would be too big for every ILP page. The graphics must remain clear. Most people understood that at the first glance at my graphics, but you did not.

Japan is not part of the West, but mostly sympathizes with the West, but does not do so because it considers itself a "Western" country. If we only wanted to consider as "Western" a nation, state or organization which decides and acts in the sense of the West, then we would have to count - at least until recently - Saudi Arabia as part of the West, but Saudi Arabia has only done business with the West, especially with the USA, and is therefore far from being a Western state. Just as Japan has not simply become a Western country, as you seem to wish, but has somehow learned to maneuver between the will of the West and its own will against the background of its East Asian tradition. Japan has never been a real part of the West.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Alf » Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:33 pm

Great Again wrote:Europe has to pay the whole bill once again!

That's right. Europe is once again the loser. And this has already been the case since World War 1.

Will Europe ever wake up?

Great Again wrote:I think that the Digital Financial Complex of the West shows us a sign of weakness.

In any case, the monetary system has huge problems. The digital data system, however, has no problems at all, and that is no wonder, because such a (DIGITAL!) data system has never existed before. It is completely new in history.

Therefore, it is also appropriate that money, which until recently had power almost all to itself, has since shared it with the digital data system. Because the money or assets of the financial system are "cared for" by the data of the digital system.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Alf » Sat Jun 04, 2022 7:33 pm

Kathrina wrote:Klaus Schwab is the one who expands the power of the globalists with his knowledge of technology and economics and trains helpers, i.e. leaders and shapers, for this purpose, among other things, in his World Economic Forum. This Klaus Schwab has said once that Putin was his favorite pupil, and Putin has lost praising words also about Klaus Schwab. Now both of them are keeping a low profile with such statements.

Klaus Schwab has trained very many people and is very highly regarded in the world of the powerful. Therefore, and for reasons that he gets a lot of money from his trainees and "visitors" for his services, he belongs to the world of the powerful.

Someone - it might have been Klaus Schwab - once said that control over Artificial Intelligence (AI) has been lost, because of ignorance of the algorithms running in the background of AI. :o
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Destiny » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:12 pm

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I guess it was a pretty exciting time for them.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Great Again » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:00 pm

Alf wrote:
Great Again wrote:Europe has to pay the whole bill once again!

That's right. Europe is once again the loser. And this has already been the case since World War 1.

Will Europe ever wake up?

Great Again wrote:I think that the Digital Financial Complex of the West shows us a sign of weakness.

In any case, the monetary system has huge problems. The digital data system, however, has no problems at all, and that is no wonder, because such a (DIGITAL!) data system has never existed before. It is completely new in history.

Therefore, it is also appropriate that money, which until recently had power almost all to itself, has since shared it with the digital data system. Because the money or assets of the financial system are "cared for" by the data of the digital system.

They force every person into their Procrustean bed.

In his History of the World, the Ancient Greek historian Diodorus (1st century BC) reports the following about the fiend and highwayman Procrustes:

Procrustes offered travelers a bed, but in some sagas he also forced wanderers to lie down on a bed. If they were too big for the bed, he chopped off their feet or excess limbs; if they were too small, he hammered and stretched their limbs apart by stretching them on an anvil.

Procrustes was slain by Theseus on his migration to Athens as the last of the villains at Kephisos.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:04 pm

Great Again wrote:They force every person into their Procrustean bed.

In his History of the World, the Ancient Greek historian Diodorus (1st century BC) reports the following about the fiend and highwayman Procrustes:

Procrustes offered travelers a bed, but in some sagas he also forced wanderers to lie down on a bed. If they were too big for the bed, he chopped off their feet or excess limbs; if they were too small, he hammered and stretched their limbs apart by stretching them on an anvil.

Procrustes was slain by Theseus on his migration to Athens as the last of the villains at Kephisos.

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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby origami » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:33 am

Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World War?


The question, of course, is interesting in itself. Both of the World Wars were started due to tension between central European superstates and Russia over which of the two would have political ascendancy over the states in between. The Russian case has always been that those intervening states are mostly of the same cultural make-up as herself, belonging to the same rough historical continuity which is characterized with close and often bellicose contact with states on the southern and eastern borders of Russia. The central European case has usually been that, in order to compete with the western European superstates, it requires the resources and industrial capacity of these intervening states.

In both WW1 and 2, the central European case took the form of a claim that the cultural make-up of Russia and the disputed states, often simply referred to as Slavic, is inferior and evil, and must be either enslaved, heavily oppressed, or simply eliminated.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:19 am

The odds are terrible either way to the point of madness.
No one can bet on it now, the tableau needs to be extended indefinitely, resembling the travail of the tortoise's plan to eventually beat the hare. And that can approach an indefinite - infinite lapse, for the uncertainty feeds it's self .

Eventually opposites will evolve through patient waiting for a resolved sign , where even the wait for goody as it will change people's hearts about the fortunes of their conceivable familial progeny.

So dig in get your popped corn and enjoy the show.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby origami » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:48 pm

It's mostly bluster from the EU. The sanctions on Russia hurt it more than Russia. They will have to relent. A compromise is likely, but in the end, a Ukraine that was up for grabs will be defined, and more in Russia's favour than the EU's.

Eventually, Achilles and the hare are so close that there is no longer a race, and they stop. Nobody can expend energy indefinitely.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby origami » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:54 pm

Otherwise, I agree with you that the family connections between Ukrainians, Russians and central Europeans will eventually probably help heal the old enmity.

If part of the Ukraine stays with Russia, part joins the EU, and the EU continues in its financial woes, it will become untenable for them to keep Ukrainians and their Russian families or business interests arbitrarily separate, and they will have to open the EU itself to Russia.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Alf » Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:59 pm

At the moment, it does not look at all as if the EU will get out of its current absolute loser position.

Russia wants to sell its raw materials - it has no other advantages or significance. China and other countries want to buy Russian raw materials very much. The United States of America want to sell their raw materials - they have lost most of their other advantages or significance. The EU is the only "player" in this "game" that only loses. And this is not a coincidence.

China, the USA and Russia are now laughing at the EU - again.

Russia can continue to sell its raw materials, and in its own currency at that - it just makes profits. China now gets good quality raw materials from Russia and can be sure that it will not lose Russia as a partner so quickly. The USA can now sell their very expensive and very dirty, i.e. very poor quality raw materials, which they could not sell before, to the Europeans. China, the USA and Russia are now very happy.

Things are looking up for China, the USA, Russia and many others, while everything is going down the drain for Europe. It is full of culturally foreign people, who collect more than 90% of the social aid, has only few raw materials, has to do without the raw materials from Russia (there was and is no reason at all for Europe to do without - this is all part of a geostrategy of its enemies) and discriminates the typical Europeans, who are the most intelligent, most industrious and therefore also the most efficient people in the world - by far.

If I were a paid geostrategist and had to come up with a geostrategy against Europe, I would do the same as those who have been doing it for a long time.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Meno_ » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:47 pm

Not necessarily, perhaps it's a case of the appearently opposite, the seat of knowledge , will seek out it's own source, whereby simulacrum will Perl away toward it's core, thereby reaffirming the necessary formal logic over it's various unstable offshoots.

This again is based on the dichotomy of. appearance over what is judged to be real, and not a rehash into the real in it's self.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:18 pm

Alf wrote:At the moment, it does not look at all as if the EU will get out of its current absolute loser position.


Some of us predicted it all along.

The moment the US did not give full and unrestricted support, it was all over for them.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:21 pm

They got stuck in that old trap where they had already invested so much, so much resources and planning and political capital and, most of all, face, that they just refused to pull out and instead dug in deeper.

They self-suicided their own damn selves.

Nazi fucks.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Sculptor » Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Putin knows full well that actions by other nations to do more than supply weapons would lead to an escalation. As this simply cannot happen to any one's advantage, he is certain that no such thing as WW3 is going to happen.

Because of Mutally Assured Destruction (MAD), Putin is free to complete his "special action", just as the US completed their "special actions" in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq ad nauseam

MAD ensured that the super powers can continue to rain down destruction where so ever they like, keep the arms dealers happy and prosecute as many special actions as and when they chose.

What is happening now is that the governments in the UK, US and other nations are keeping their friends in the arms trade happy; making NATO look relevant - and so keep their jobs, until there is nothing left to destroy in the East Ukraine.
Then it all all die down, and there shall be money to be made from the reconstruction.

Putin will end up with extended borders and have a piece of Europe's bread basket - just enough to keep him happy and just enough for NATO to justify absorbing Ukraine into itself and to the EU.

A million shall have died to keep the war mongers happy.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Sleyor Wellhuxwell » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:02 am

There was and is no USA support for Europe. It looks only to the stupidest and the brainwashed as if there would be such a support; in reality it is always only about the self-interests and the abuse of Europe for the goals of the USA, and this until Europe will be at the bottom.

The United States have never stood up for the interests of others. The same is true for China. Europe seems to be the only power that also stands up for the interests of others.
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Re: Is the Russian-Ukrainian War the prelude to a new World

Postby Sleyor Wellhuxwell » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:02 am

The world rulers are not only nazis, but also communists and liberalists. All together and in the most extreme form.

It is also about property ideals, more precisely about three property ideals: the liberalist/individualist, the communist-socialist and the national-socialist with the ultimate goals of distributing, entrusting and managing all the productive property in the world. At the moment, it looks like all three are being realized, and in the order mentioned, i.e., prority role.

The digital complex will manage everything!
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