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Re: Global matters..

Postby origami » Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:16 pm

I have to agree.

You and I spoke many times during the zombie apocalypse (my words, not Mags's) about the regulations and everything surrounding them. This bozo's estimation of where you stood only shows he just makes up whatever seems useful to him on the spot.

It may be an interesting excercice on this site, interacting with these animals, but my main point here is that I don't think much more time should be wasted attempting to reason with them irl. Conservatives should be speaking directly to the people, and simply ignoring these lunatics. Otherwise, it is like dragging a child onto a debate stage to show everybody he is wrong. You and the child will be doing different things. If anything, you have now legitimized a person who cannot be right or wrong because they don't understand what there is to be right or wrong about.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby derleydoo » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:30 pm

MagsJ wrote:
derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
origami said:I don't play cards with obscene old men.

origami said:Well I do, but not in this case.

:lol:

Mags, your maniacal laughter at something that wasn't even remotely funny clearly reveals a triggered mind.

It isn’t funny.. to you.

It is funny.. to me,

..no matter how you wanna put it, as I wouldn’t have bothered editing and posting all that if it weren’t.. and if that is your only evidence of me getting triggered, then it is you who is hellbent on proving such.


Methinks the lady doth protest too much! :lol:

MagsJ wrote:You are merely speculating what you believe are my views, when I never stated my views.. try inquiring -instead of speculating- next time. Nice try though. ; )


Good advice. Results of the inquiry.

MagsJ, published quotes:

4th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - #QUARANTEAMS
28th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - PROTECT THE NHS
30th June, 2020 - STAY ALERT - SAVE LIVES - CONTROL THE VIRUS

Good advice, Mags! Every word of it disregarded by the man who told others to act accordingly.

MagsJ wrote:The thing about the global lockdown is.. some wanted it, some didn’t, some still do.. the lockdown brought with it both positives and negatives, negatives.. which affected a global mental health state of mind.

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Beginning with the first lockdown in China's Hubei province[3] and nationwide in Italy in March, lockdowns continued to be implemented in many countries throughout 2020 and 2021. On 24 March 2020, the entire 1.3 billion population of India was ordered to stay at home during its lockdown, making it the largest of the pandemic.[4] The world's longest continuous lockdown lasting 234 days took place in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 2020. As of October 2021, the city of Melbourne, Australia, and certain cities in Peru and Chile spent the most cumulative days in lockdown over separate periods, although measures varied between these countries.[5][6]

A few countries and territories did not use the strategy, including Japan, Belarus, Sweden, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tanzania, two states in Brazil and certain United States states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_ ... by_country


"LOOK LOOK, EVERYONE! LOOK OVER THERE! :-k Conservatives - masters of distraction. What has any of that got to do with 'the discussion'?

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:3. The PM lives at No. 10, the Civil Servants work there and partied hard there.. fines were levied accordingly.

Well that's cleared that up!

One or two tiny details you neglected to mention.

Throughout the pandemic the PM regularly addressed the nation. He issued instructions... "You cannot do this - you cannot do that..."

This? Attend the bedside of a dying friend or relative. They must die frightened and alone.

That? You cannot attend the funeral of a once frightened, died-alone, friend or relative.

Meanwhile, the PM, recall??? the man who, night after night, stood stony-faced, dishing out orders - directives, to an entire nation -

"You must not hold the hand of a dying husband - wife - partner - son - daughter - sister - brother - child - uncle - aunt - grandparent - no sad farewells permitted - each must die - alone and fearful . . ."

Meanwhile, (hush-hush - keep this to yourself) - in my my house we will have huge gatherings - and we will party hard - fuck all that rules nonsense!

"Fines were levied accordingly."


MagsJ wrote:The PM lives at No. 10, the Civil Servants work there.. what part of that are you not understanding? The PM is not their boss.

Oh come on, MagsJ. He set rules. Harsh rules. "No Parties" - "No Goodbyes". He then allowed parties to go ahead in his place of residence - his house. He sought to justify parties by saying it was his duty to say farewell to colleagues that were leaving for another job.

However, his rules prevented loved ones from holding hands and saying farewell to 'loved ones' who were 'leaving'.

This, from the 'loser'. Congratulations, MagsJ . . .

You have been seen to have successfully attempted to defend the indefensible. It is to be hoped that someone at Conservative Central Office has observed your efforts, and you can look forward to getting invited to a better class of soiree. Fingers crossed, you will get to rub shoulders with a higher class of sycophant.

You are the winner.

Cue music.

On to more important Global Matters. Your next mission, should you choose to accept it . . .

"Governments that are headed by a serial liar -- should we make exceptions, and allow (expect) them to break international law?"


MagsJ wrote:I stated the facts, I didn’t state my position on them.

As much as I find your speculations about me amusing, I do not agree with them.. funnily enough. And I see that you are going with the usual standard “all Conservatives are evil” angle.. coz that’s all ya got.

You have no idea how much I go out of my way to help others.. or is it only the Left that have compassion and do random acts of kindness?


Mags, I don't doubt you are a kind and caring human being. I certainly don't believe that all conservatives are evil! My difficulty revolves around the fact that you, and many of your fellow party members, lack the integrity to acknowledge the abominable conduct of the leader of your party. No, not all are evil. However, it is fair to say, a good many are self-serving . . . far too afraid to speak out for fear of the consequences. Personal ambition before national interest. Sad.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:49 pm

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:..no matter how you wanna put it, as I wouldn’t have bothered editing and posting all that if it weren’t.. and if that is your only evidence of me getting triggered, then it is you who is hellbent on proving such.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much! :lol:

..on a Philosophy site? Nah!

An accusation unchallenged, is an accusation undenied and therefore thought of as fact.. and it ain’t fact.

One thinks the challenger thinks the Lady, a fool.

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:You are merely speculating what you believe are my views, when I never stated my views.. try inquiring -instead of speculating- next time. Nice try though. ; )

Good advice. Results of the inquiry.

MagsJ, published quotes:

4th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - #QUARANTEAMS
28th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - PROTECT THE NHS
30th June, 2020 - STAY ALERT - SAVE LIVES - CONTROL THE VIRUS

Good advice, Mags! Every word of it disregarded by the man who told others to act accordingly.

He was at home.

The matter was looked into.. I take it you were unhappy with the outcome? ..what has that/the outcome got to do with me?

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:The thing about the global lockdown is.. some wanted it, some didn’t, some still do.. the lockdown brought with it both positives and negatives, negatives.. which affected a global mental health state of mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_ ... by_country

"LOOK LOOK, EVERYONE! LOOK OVER THERE! :-k Conservatives - masters of distraction. What has any of that got to do with 'the discussion'?

..in reply to this: “You're barking up the wrong tree. MagsJ fully supported "their silly regulations.” I’m not sure where you got that (or other) notion(s) about me from, as I have never stated my stance on the matter of the Lockdown-regulations implementation.

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I stated the facts, I didn’t state my position on them.

As much as I find your speculations about me amusing, I do not agree with them.. funnily enough. And I see that you are going with the usual standard “all Conservatives are evil” angle.. coz that’s all ya got.

You have no idea how much I go out of my way to help others.. or is it only the Left that have compassion and do random acts of kindness?

Mags, I don't doubt you are a kind and caring human being. I certainly don't believe that all conservatives are evil! My difficulty revolves around the fact that you, and many of your fellow party members, lack the integrity to acknowledge the abominable conduct of the leader of your party. No, not all are evil. However, it is fair to say, a good many are self-serving . . . far too afraid to speak out for fear of the consequences. Personal ambition before national interest. Sad.

Yea, let’s go with that.. another assumption that suits the narrative that suits your personal stance. Go phish somewhere else.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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Re: Global matters..

Postby derleydoo » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:30 pm

MagsJ wrote:You are merely speculating what you believe are my views, when I never stated my views.. try inquiring -instead of speculating- next time. Nice try though. ; )

MagsJ wrote:.in reply to this: “You're barking up the wrong tree. MagsJ fully supported "their silly regulations.” I’m not sure where you got that (or other) notion(s) about me from, as I have never stated my stance on the matter of the Lockdown-regulations implementation. Yea, let’s go with that.. another assumption that suits the narrative that suits your personal stance.


I see. Are you suggesting that I fabricated the results of my inquiries! :-k

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ, published quotes:

4th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - #QUARANTEAMS
28th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - PROTECT THE NHS
30th June, 2020 - STAY ALERT - SAVE LIVES - CONTROL THE VIRUS

Good advice, Mags! Every word of it disregarded by the man who told others to act accordingly.


MagsJ wrote:He was at home.
The matter was looked into.. I take it you were unhappy with the outcome?


:lol: Home, being the venue for countless illegal gatherings. #-o

More accurate to say I was unhappy with the person heading the investigation! She has since been removed.

Let's not forget, Sue Gray. She is the woman/colleague Boris appointed to conduct an internal investigation!

Nice exchanging views with you, MagsJ. You win. Conservatives always win.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:33 pm

origami wrote:I have to agree.

You and I spoke many times during the zombie apocalypse (my words, not Mags's) about the regulations and everything surrounding them. This bozo's estimation of where you stood only shows he just makes up whatever seems useful to him on the spot.

That seems to be the case, here.. there.. and everywhere else.

Derley is still trying those tactics in our last exchange.. appealing to ‘goodness knows what’ in me, by using whatever he thinks will work on me.

It may be an interesting excercice on this site, interacting with these animals, but my main point here is that I don't think much more time should be wasted attempting to reason with them irl. Conservatives should be speaking directly to the people, and simply ignoring these lunatics. Otherwise, it is like dragging a child onto a debate stage to show everybody he is wrong. You and the child will be doing different things. If anything, you have now legitimized a person who cannot be right or wrong because they don't understand what there is to be right or wrong about.

Lol

He is missing my stance completely, in trying to get his ‘triggered' point across and garner my subjective take.. the Opposition were obviously hoping that party-gate would have had much more of an ill-effect on Party cohesion than it has had.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:52 pm

derleydoo wrote:I see. Are you suggesting that I fabricated the results of my inquiries! :-k

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ, published quotes:

4th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - #QUARANTEAMS
28th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - PROTECT THE NHS
30th June, 2020 - STAY ALERT - SAVE LIVES - CONTROL THE VIRUS

Good advice, Mags! Every word of it disregarded by the man who told others to act accordingly.

MagsJ wrote:He was at home.
The matter was looked into.. I take it you were unhappy with the outcome?

:lol: Home, being the venue for countless illegal gatherings. #-o

All that was ascertained, already.

More accurate to say I was unhappy with the person heading the investigation! She has since been removed.

Let's not forget, Sue Gray. She is the woman/colleague Boris appointed to conduct an internal investigation!

..of which the findings were passed onto the Met Police.

What was it about the initial person heading the investigation that you were unhappy about?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby derleydoo » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 pm

MagsJ wrote:
derleydoo wrote:I see. Are you suggesting that I fabricated the results of my inquiries! :-k

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ, published quotes:

4th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - #QUARANTEAMS
28th April, 2020 - STAY HOME - SAVE LIVES - PROTECT THE NHS
30th June, 2020 - STAY ALERT - SAVE LIVES - CONTROL THE VIRUS

Good advice, Mags! Every word of it disregarded by the man who told others to act accordingly.

MagsJ wrote:He was at home.
The matter was looked into.. I take it you were unhappy with the outcome?

:lol: Home, being the venue for countless illegal gatherings. #-o

All that was ascertained, already.

More accurate to say I was unhappy with the person heading the investigation! She has since been removed.

Let's not forget, Sue Gray. She is the woman/colleague Boris appointed to conduct an internal investigation!

..of which the findings were passed onto the Met Police.

What was it about the initial person heading the investigation that you were unhappy about?


Some of the findings were passed on to the Met Police! :-k

"The initial person heading the investigation" gained quite a reputation for taking a lenient view of the corrupt nature of some of her officers. You're a Londoner, please don't tell me you were not aware of her/the Met's reputation!

MagsJ wrote:the Opposition were obviously hoping that party-gate would have had much more of an ill-effect on Party cohesion than it has had.


It may not have had much of an ill-effect on Party members. However, you will acknowledge that the same cannot be said for Conservative voters.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:05 am

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:What was it about the initial person heading the investigation that you were unhappy about?

Some of the findings were passed on to the Met Police! :-k

"The initial person heading the investigation" gained quite a reputation for taking a lenient view of the corrupt nature of some of her officers. You're a Londoner, please don't tell me you were not aware of her/the Met's reputation!

What did their corruption entail?

..her/the Met's reputation, in regard to what?

derleydoo wrote:
MagsJ wrote:the Opposition were obviously hoping that party-gate would have had much more of an ill-effect on Party cohesion than it has had.

It may not have had much of an ill-effect on Party members. However, you will acknowledge that the same cannot be said for Conservative voters.

I am well aware of that, yes.

Who knows who will be standing for election for PM, come the 2024 General Election.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby derleydoo » Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:00 pm

MagsJ wrote:What did their corruption entail?

..her/the Met's reputation, in regard to what?



https://www.ft.com/video/83bbc06b-ac21- ... 18d565c1c0

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-02 ... mmissioner

https://revolutionarycommunist.org/brit ... met-police

On the subject of corrupt practise.

You complained that I was trying to trigger you. Looking back at one or two posts, it appears your accusation could easily be justified.

However, whilst looking over the thread, I was struck by Origami's boorish conduct. Talk about trying to trigger someone!

He described me as an animal - a lunatic - a bozo - an obscene old man - called me nuts - not rational . . .

I have probably missed one or two of his attempts to trigger me. Your reaction? A tad disappointing - LOL.

I asked him a perfectly sensible, rational question. He declined to answer. Instead, he threw out a litany of insults. LOL.

It must be heartening to know that your views are supported by someone who is currently an ignorant, ill-mannered, oafish lout.

PS: His spelling is atroshious.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm


Ahhhhh.. yes, I am very well-aware of the misjustices, lacking of Police Commissioner leadership, and pockets of corruption.

On the subject of corrupt practise.

You complained that I was trying to trigger you. Looking back at one or two posts, it appears your accusation could easily be justified.

However, whilst looking over the thread, I was struck by Origami's boorish conduct. Talk about trying to trigger someone!

He described me as an animal - a lunatic - a bozo - an obscene old man - called me nuts - not rational . . .

I have probably missed one or two of his attempts to trigger me. Your reaction? A tad disappointing - LOL.

What reaction were you expecting? I thought we all had our big peoples’ boots on, in here.

Talking of expecting.. Boris’ MPs are expecting him to resign some time in the immediate future..

I asked him a perfectly sensible, rational question. He declined to answer. Instead, he threw out a litany of insults. LOL.

It must be heartening to know that your views are supported by someone who is currently an ignorant, ill-mannered, oafish lout.

Origami supported my claims, not my argument.. or lack there-of, so nothing heartening to be had.

PS: His spelling is atroshious.

Take that up with him.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:47 am

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Everyone else resigns, Michael Gove gets sacked. :lol:

..ever get the feeling that Boris hates Gove. :-s

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Next one, now on Boris’ hate list..

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The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:27 am

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Italian glacier tragedy: at least 6 people dead and 9 injured. Rescue operations continue as scores of hikers are still believed to be missing.

By Linda Bordoni

The avalanche
Some 17 people remain unaccounted for a day after a huge chunk of an Alpine glacier broke off and slammed into hikers in northern Italy on Sunday afternoon.

Nationalities of the known dead haven't been disclosed, and conditions were too dangerous Monday morning for rescue crews with dogs to resume the search for those missing or to bring down the bodies.

Drones are reportedly being used to look for any of the missing as well as verify safety. Rescuers said conditions downslope from the glacier, which has been melting for decades, were still too unstable to send back teams of people and dogs to dig into tons of debris.

Heat wave
Geologists said it is not known what caused a pinnacle of the glacier to break off and thunder down the slope at a speed estimated at some 300 kph, but the heat wave gripping Italy since May was being cited as a likely factor.

Experts agree that it would have been impossible to predict when or if a serac - a pinnacle from a glacier's overhang - could break off, as it did on Sunday.

The glacier, in the Marmolada range, is the largest in the Dolomite mountains in northeastern Italy. It has reportedly been rapidly melting away over the past decades, with much of its volume gone.

Experts at Italy’s state-run CNR research center estimated a couple of years ago that the glacier won’t exist anymore within 25-30 years
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby origami » Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:48 am

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This seems naive. Whenever a personal conduct crisis affects a government, it's usually rather the case that the opposition is desperate for a way out but is aware that it cannot topple the government on political grounds.

In all, ironically, it speaks well for the government's performance.

An internal crisis or a purge?

The likes of Sajid Javid, who it was always clear were there on a consensus government basis.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby origami » Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:51 am

Sajid Javid would be known in the US as the quintessencial RINO.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:18 am

Did Boris Johnson just resign?
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:01 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:Did Boris Johnson just resign?

(I think) he’s announced he will, but not done so officially yet..

“Johnson currently wants to stay on until the autumn. (Perhaps at some level he believes that by then the party might have had a change of heart?)”

“There’s a growing view among ministers that Boris Johnson should go immediately and Dominic Raab should become interim PM and reappoint all resigned ministers”

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The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:55 am

origami wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
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This seems naive. Whenever a personal conduct crisis affects a government, it's usually rather the case that the opposition is desperate for a way out but is aware that it cannot topple the government on political grounds.

In all, ironically, it speaks well for the government's performance.

An internal crisis or a purge?

The likes of Sajid Javid, who it was always clear were there on a consensus government basis.

I think it’s Boris lieing again that his MPs, Party members, and the public at large, aren’t happy with..

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It’s the extent to which Boris detests Gove, that gets me.. :lol:

Gove is not part of the new Cabinet lineup that Boris is putting together, in an attempt to hold onto his post as PM until the Autumn, when a new Party leader can be in place.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:56 pm

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An interesting revelation.

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Re: Global matters..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:30 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:i think the elon musk fixation among a lot of people is really weird.

Considering how rich/affluent/influential he is, I would say not!

Beg to differ?

Surely that is exactly what makes it weird.

He is a low achieving rich person. Why would any one think him so significant?
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Re: Global matters..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:32 pm

Boris is a man whose first instinct is to lie..

Boris could not even stop himself lying on his last day. He did not get the biggest share of the popular vote in 2019 ("since 1979", as he claimed), he did not even increase Tory vote share from T.May. And got less that Blair in 1997.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:40 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
An interesting revelation.

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Because that is exactly what they have been led to believe by their rulers.
Are we surprised?
In the same way many still think Boris Johnson is a loverly geezer let down by traitors and back stabbers.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:41 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Did Boris Johnson just resign?


Not in an honourable way. He is going to drag this on, apparently till September.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:08 pm

origami wrote:Sajid Javid would be known in the US as the quintessencial RINO.


More bollocks as usual.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby origami » Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:12 pm

MagsJ wrote:I think it’s Boris lieing again that his MPs, Party members, and the public at large, aren’t happy with..


Yeah but, like, lying about what? Some parties? A minister that padded the balls of one of his underlyings?

Kind of seems like a manufactured outrage, unrelated to what he has done or was planning as a prime minister, that you could spring on anyone. I guarantee you each member of that parliament is guilty of a dozen things of similar magnitude.

Do you see my point? He's not lying about tax revenue or an invasion threat from an enemy or some massive failure in his policies.
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Re: Global matters..

Postby origami » Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:14 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
An interesting revelation.

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If this is a revelation to you, Mags, then we need to sit down and have a serious discussion.
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