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Postby derleydoo » Mon May 30, 2022 11:12 am

A poem appeared on my Facebook feed. Some pictures appeared on my Twitter feed! There were several similar pictures.

Is it too simple to say, it's a mental illness that has never been treated?

How do I understand the American obsession with the tools of destruction?

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Re: Struggling to understand.

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Re: Struggling to understand.

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby derleydoo » Mon May 30, 2022 11:25 am

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Too simple?
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Two simple? A "mild" manifestation of the illness?
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon May 30, 2022 11:50 am

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Another subservient woke propagandist droning on.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby derleydoo » Mon May 30, 2022 12:10 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
Another subservient woke propagandist droning on.


Thank you for your input.

Anything positive to offer? Perhaps you have your own personal armoury?

I seek understanding! Hate to break it to you, but your rather banal comment is not going to help me to understand the nature of the illness. :-k
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon May 30, 2022 12:17 pm

Tyranny and Fascism is the direct, immediate, undeniable result after disarming a Nation.

The only reason the European "Socialist" countries aren't drowning in streets of gunfire and rivers of blood....is because USA (the last Free Nation) protects them.


You cannot claim yourself a Free Man or Free Nation, without unrestricted gun ownership.

Those advocating Disarmament, are Slaves in Mind and Soul.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 30, 2022 1:37 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Tyranny and Fascism is the direct, immediate, undeniable result after disarming a Nation.

The only reason the European "Socialist" countries aren't drowning in streets of gunfire and rivers of blood....is because USA (the last Free Nation) protects them.


You cannot claim yourself a Free Man or Free Nation, without unrestricted gun ownership.

Those advocating Disarmament, are Slaves in Mind and Soul.


We should all be able to buy 2 dollar remote controls for our whole nuclear arsenal. It’s our weapons, we paid for them. Also, the second amendment guarantees it. Isn’t that the law? No taxation without representation.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 30, 2022 1:47 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Tyranny and Fascism is the direct, immediate, undeniable result after disarming a Nation.

The only reason the European "Socialist" countries aren't drowning in streets of gunfire and rivers of blood....is because USA (the last Free Nation) protects them.


You cannot claim yourself a Free Man or Free Nation, without unrestricted gun ownership.

Those advocating Disarmament, are Slaves in Mind and Soul.


We should all be able to buy 2 dollar remote controls for our whole nuclear arsenal. It’s our weapons, we paid for them. Also, the second amendment guarantees it. Isn’t that the law? No taxation without representation.


You know why people hold back?

Because... somewhere deep down everyone knows they’re immortal and that behavior has consequences that can last eons.

You have to make amends with every person.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue May 31, 2022 7:34 am

Ecmandu wrote:You know why people hold back?

Because... somewhere deep down everyone knows they’re immortal and that behavior has consequences that can last eons.

You have to make amends with every person.

Fear would not exist if Life were Immortal.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Ecmandu » Tue May 31, 2022 7:53 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:You know why people hold back?

Because... somewhere deep down everyone knows they’re immortal and that behavior has consequences that can last eons.

You have to make amends with every person.

Fear would not exist if Life were Immortal.


You’re wrong. Immortality brings consequences, and they can be forever.

I’ve met many dust to dust people in my life (thank goodness they didn’t have to see what I saw)...,

But they abuse it. They have no fear because they think it’s just oblivion after this.

They do anything and everything they want without regard to their own safety or anyone else’s.

They don’t believe in morals or safety.

Just oblivion. Forever. After they’re gone.

After all. What is 49 years of torture if you fuck up to get what you want, if it all becomes nothing. Forever.

I’m not a preacher.

I’m not trying to lie to you to make you behave better.

We really do live forever.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue May 31, 2022 9:20 am

*YOU'RE* wrong.

Mortality brings consequences. There is no consequence under Immortality. You can do as much Evil, destruction, death, consent violation as you like, and you'll never die, never fear revenge, and always take pleasure in other people's pain. The only thing that "stops" consent violation, is a more powerful consent violator. Only a stronger violence, stops violence.


You are completely wrong.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue May 31, 2022 9:39 am

Struggle to understand this, Ecmandu:



What stopped this Consent Violation? What stops robberies?


The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, which you and other Anti-Americans routinely attack.

Those trying to deprive Americans the right to Arms, are also trying to deprive right to Self-Defense.

Because humans, and all life, is mortal, delicate, susceptible to death.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 31, 2022 11:23 am

There are more domestic guns than people in the USA. The rate is 120%.
The next largest is the Falklands who are actually under a real threat of invasion from Argentina. Rate 66%

The most absurd reason given to refuse gun law is that they might want to overthrow a government.
There are two things to take from that. 1. The MagaMorons left their weapons at home during the insurrection; presumably to avoid getting shot. and 2. as a comedian observed people who think they can overthrow government do not understand the function of tanks.

There is one country that managed to overthrow their government; Afghanistan. They managed to achieve this with a gun ownership rate of 12%. One tenth that of the USA.

So I'm still puzzling over this childish obsession.
Americans are not under the threat they think they are. Their main danger is the absurd number of guns they own.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 31, 2022 11:26 am

obsrvr524 wrote:-
Another subservient woke propagandist droning on.



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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue May 31, 2022 12:18 pm

The thought of a good guy defending his property with a gun against robbers, rapists, and the government—enrages the far lefty lunatics.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue May 31, 2022 12:38 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:The thought of a good guy defending his property with a gun against robbers, rapists, and the government—enrages the far lefty lunatics.

People defending themselves takes away the power of their master headshrinker.

You might even say they have their heads in the sand (or butts). I'm tempted to say "Get your head out of your arse" - but it isn't their own ass they have it up.

Commie trolls and useful idiots --- =;
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    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby derleydoo » Tue May 31, 2022 2:52 pm

Thank you Sculptor! Informative, AND amusing.

This post has created more questions than answers.

Has obsrvr524 given any thought to what he would like to do when he leaves school?

How long does it take to 'shoot' a fake video?

Do I have any desire to visit the USA? :-k
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Mad Man P » Tue May 31, 2022 2:56 pm

derleydoo wrote:How do I understand the American obsession with the tools of destruction?


Erm... tribalism?
They have politicised guns... it's one of the ways you Identify yourself as a member of one political tribe or the other.
Its been increased in import far beyond any merit...

Americans appear obsessed with abortion and guns and taxes and racism from a european perspective.
But consider the irish killed each other over a variation of the same religion...

It's just tribalism... and it's an illness we're all vulnerable to.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby derleydoo » Tue May 31, 2022 3:02 pm

Mad Man P wrote:
derleydoo wrote:How do I understand the American obsession with the tools of destruction?


Erm... tribalism?
They have politicised guns... it's one of the ways you Identify yourself as a member of one political tribe or the other.
Its been increased in import far beyond any merit...

Americans appear obsessed with abortion and guns and taxes and racism from a european perspective.
But consider the irish killed each other over a variation of the same religion...

It's just tribalism... and it's an illness we're all vulnerable to.


""Erm... tribalism?
They have politicised guns... it's one of the ways you Identify yourself as a member of one political tribe or the other.
Its been increased in import far beyond any merit...

Americans appear obsessed with abortion and guns and taxes and racism from a european perspective.
But consider the irish killed each other over a variation of the same religion...

It's just tribalism...""

:lol: You added to the last line! I was about to respond to your original post... "So it's an illness!"
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Ecmandu » Tue May 31, 2022 4:16 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:*YOU'RE* wrong.

Mortality brings consequences. There is no consequence under Immortality. You can do as much Evil, destruction, death, consent violation as you like, and you'll never die, never fear revenge, and always take pleasure in other people's pain. The only thing that "stops" consent violation, is a more powerful consent violator. Only a stronger violence, stops violence.


You are completely wrong.


Fuck man. You really haven’t met dust to dust people.

They don’t give a fuck.

They don’t understand that if they make the wrong decisions forever, they’ll be in hell forever.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 31, 2022 7:05 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:The thought of a good guy defending his property with a gun against robbers, rapists, and the government—enrages the far lefty lunatics.


Most of those guys end up getting shot with their own guns.

You are more likely to get shot by your own children.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 31, 2022 7:08 pm

derleydoo wrote:Thank you Sculptor! Informative, AND amusing.

This post has created more questions than answers.

Has obsrvr524 given any thought to what he would like to do when he leaves school?

How long does it take to 'shoot' a fake video?

Do I have any desire to visit the USA? :-k


I've no interest to go to the USA and I have a US passport!!!

Low literacy seems to correlate with high prison populations and high gun deaths. And there you have the US in a nutshell.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 31, 2022 7:11 pm

In the UK we have no need to "defend ourselves" because criminals don't use guns.

By contrast as there are more guns than people Americans are the victims of their own stupidity.

Democratic states with gun protection laws have lower rates of gun crime; Republican states the opposite is true.
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Re: Struggling to understand.

Postby Mad Man P » Tue May 31, 2022 7:15 pm

derleydoo wrote::lol: You added to the last line! I was about to respond to your original post... "So it's an illness!"


Taken to that level, yes... as with most things elevated beyond merit.

So... what do you think?
Does that satisfy your question?
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