OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

For discussions of culture, politics, economics, sociology, law, business and any other topic that falls under the social science remit.

OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:03 pm

Conservatives love to tell us how wrong liberals are, ok, great
so tell us your plan? how do "we right the ship?" how do we solve
the climate change problem? How do we solve homelessness?
How do we solve the income inequality problem?
You say the liberal idea is wrong, ok,

GREAT, TELL US YOUR SOLUTIONS?

Specific solutions to specific problems...

oh, yah, you don't have any solutions.. conservatives only value
is in saying no, they can't say yes, to save their fucking lives..

I am sure that the conservatives around here will dance until they
figure out some way to pretend I didn't ask that question or they
will somehow blame me.. if conservativism is so great, what
are conservative solutions to the problems of today?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:05 pm

conservatives say that allowing gay or trans people to have
a voice is wrong? ok, so how do we solve the "gay/trans problem?"

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:19 pm

from a conservative viewpoint, it seems that
allowing diversity is a problem, so, how do we deal with
allowing people from diverse cultures to fit into America?
is diversity a solution, as liberals say or is diversity the problem,
as conservative say and why?

is achieving equality a solution as liberals say or is achieving
equality a problem, as conservatives say?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Motor Daddy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ok, so how do we solve the "gay/trans problem?"

Kropotkin


Step 1: Stop promoting sex changes.
Step 2: Stop allowing people with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
Step 3: When your 2 year old son claims he is a girl, do NOT go buy a dress and tell him that he has a right to decide if he wants to be a male or female.
Step 4: Stop changing Birth Certificates.
Step 5: Stop having Rainbow parties in the streets proclaiming what kind of sexual desires you have.
User avatar
Motor Daddy
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1692
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:55 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ok, so how do we solve the "gay/trans problem?"

Kropotkin


Step 1: Stop promoting sex changes.
Step 2: Stop allowing people with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
Step 3: When your 2 year old son claims he is a girl, do NOT go buy a dress and tell him that he has a right to decide if he wants to be a male or female.
Step 4: Stop changing Birth Certificates.
Step 5: Stop having Rainbow parties in the streets proclaiming what kind of sexual desires you have.


K: how exactly does your solution, solve the "gay/trans problem?
what problem does your solution solve?
in other words, does your "solution" simply denies gays and trans people
the right to express themselves?.. is that your solution? simple deny
gays/trans have any rights at all?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Motor Daddy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:24 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: how exactly does your solution, solve the "gay/trans problem?
what problem does your solution solve?
in other words, does your "solution" simply denies gays and trans people
the right to express themselves?.. is that your solution? simple deny
gays/trans have any rights at all?

Kropotkin


It is not a right for a person with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
It is not a right to change your Birth Certificate.

What "gay/trans problem" are you suggesting needs fixing?
User avatar
Motor Daddy
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1692
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:09 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:What "gay/trans problem" are you suggesting needs fixing?


That's a very good question. I am looking forward to Kropo's answer.
Magnus Anderson
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 6115
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:18 pm

Peter Kropotkin: how exactly does your solution, solve the "gay/trans problem?
what problem does your solution solve?
in other words, does your "solution" simply denies gays and trans people
the right to express themselves?.. is that your solution? simple deny
gays/trans have any rights at all?

M: It is not a right for a person with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
It is not a right to change your Birth Certificate.

K: based on what? what problem is solved by "not being able
to change your birth certificate".. where is the problem?

M: What "gay/trans problem" are you suggesting needs fixing?

K: Actually, I don't think there is a problem, but clearly
there are many who do consider this a problem, including yourself,
I was trying to clarify it for you... make it easier for you...
I am trying to understand why you believe this is wrong?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:10 pm

Peter Kropotkin: ok, so how do we solve the "gay/trans problem?"

MOTER :Step 1: Stop promoting sex changes.
Step 2: Stop allowing people with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
Step 3: When your 2 year old son claims he is a girl, do NOT go buy a dress and tell him that he has a right to decide if he wants to be a male or female.
Step 4: Stop changing Birth Certificates.
Step 5: Stop having Rainbow parties in the streets proclaiming what kind of sexual desires you have.[/quote]

K: I can't see why this is a problem... but that may lie in the fact that
I am secure in my identity... seeing men kiss, doesn't make me
want to kiss other men.. homosexuals don't frighten me like
they seem to with Motor or others on this site...so, tell me,
why should I be afraid of or frightened by homosexuals or trans
people, as you are? Where is the problem? Why must we stop them
from being gay or trans?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:51 pm

Motor Daddy:
Step 3: When your 2 year old son claims he is a girl, do NOT go buy a dress and tell him that he has a right to decide if he wants to be a male or female.

K: I finally figured out why this one bothered me so much...
You are telling me how to raise my own child...taking away from
me the right to raise my child as I see fit...what business of yours
is it how I raise my child and under what conditions... what gives you
the right to tell me how to raise my own child...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Motor Daddy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:..so, tell me,
why should I be afraid of or frightened by homosexuals or trans
people, as you are?

Kropotkin


When are you going to stop beating your wife?

You never claimed to beat your wife? Good, because I never claimed to be frightened by homosexuals or trans people!
User avatar
Motor Daddy
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1692
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Motor Daddy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:07 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:...what business of yours
is it how I raise my child and under what conditions...
Kropotkin


Just because he is your kid doesn't give you the right to raise him however you damn well please. Child Protective Services are there for a reason, to PROTECT children.
Last edited by Motor Daddy on Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Motor Daddy
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1692
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Motor Daddy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:14 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: Actually, I don't think there is a problem...
Kropotkin


Good, so there is no problem, so your strawman is defeated!

Putting PEOPLE aside, regardless of what type of sex they like to have or if they cut their penis off to become a woman, there are legitimate PUBLIC concerns, such as:

Changing a Birth Certificate.
Penis in a Woman's bathroom.
Child abuse.
Rainbow parties in the street without a permit to gather!
User avatar
Motor Daddy
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1692
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Mad Man P » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:13 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:from a conservative viewpoint, it seems that
allowing diversity is a problem, so, how do we deal with
allowing people from diverse cultures to fit into America?
is diversity a solution, as liberals say or is diversity the problem,
as conservative say and why?

is achieving equality a solution as liberals say or is achieving
equality a problem, as conservatives say?


I'm really not well suited to defend American conservatives... but I don't have a problem criticising stupid ideas.
These binary yay or nay values that you propose are thoughtless and ultimately false dichotomies.
The only sane discussion to be had about diversity and equality is to what degree it's sustainable... only a fool is "for" or "against" either.

As neither equality nor diversity are functional if maximized or minimized, the question becomes a matter of degrees and moderation, where the functional goldilocks zone might be.
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
User avatar
Mad Man P
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2818
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:32 pm
Location: Denmark

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:16 am

MOTER :Step 1: Stop promoting sex changes.
Step 2: Stop allowing people with a penis to use a Woman's bathroom.
Step 3: When your 2 year old son claims he is a girl, do NOT go buy a dress and tell him that he has a right to decide if he wants to be a male or female.
Step 4: Stop changing Birth Certificates.
Step 5: Stop having Rainbow parties in the streets proclaiming what kind of sexual desires you have.[/quote]

K: I can't see why this is a problem...

Motor daddy: Good, so there is no problem, so YOUR STRAWMAN IS
DEFEATED.....

K: actually they are your strawman, not mine...

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:27 am

Peter Kropotkin: what business of yours
is it how I raise my child and under what conditions...

Motor: Just because he is your kid doesn't give you the right to raise him however you damn well please. Child Protective Services are there for a reason, to PROTECT children.[/quote]

K: I find it interesting that unless I adhere to your beliefs, a government
agency can "protect" my children...If I were to suggest the same, getting
a government agency to protect your kids from your beliefs... you would
go on a ten-minute rampage how liberals are trying to take over your
parental rights and how they are overreaching to take away your rights...
and yet, apparently its ok if you do the same to me... wonder how that works?

actually, as I am a parent, I can raise my children any damn well I please...
and I did.. I can tell you are not a parent..

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:38 am

Peter Kropotkin: so, tell me,
why should I be afraid of or frightened by homosexuals or trans
people, as you are?

Motor: because I never claimed to be frightened by homosexuals or trans people!

K: because conservatives are afraid of everything.. liberals, love, obama,
black people, socialism, CRT, thinking, homosexuality, atheists,
peace, puppies, gender identities, gun control, blue states... just
to name a few of conservative's fear's..

if you aren't afraid, then why the needs for gun to protect yourself?
You are so afraid, you want everyone to live in fear as you do...
this is why you want everyone on planet earth to have a gun..
because you can't imagine people who aren't afraid like you..

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:34 am

What if Motor Daddy doesn't want to send his child to school. Should he be forced?
There's no one thing that's true. It's all true.
Ernest Hemingway
User avatar
origami
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2313
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:47 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:26 am

origami wrote:What if Motor Daddy doesn't want to send his child to school. Should he be forced?


K: as a conservative, wanting to be ignorant seems to be a high priority,
so, I imagine he wants his kids to be as ignorant as he is....

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:29 am

Kropotkin wrote:I can't see why this is a problem... but that may lie in the fact that
I am secure in my identity... seeing men kiss, doesn't make me
want to kiss other men.. homosexuals don't frighten me like
they seem to with Motor or others on this site...so, tell me,
why should I be afraid of or frightened by homosexuals or trans
people, as you are? Where is the problem? Why must we stop them
from being gay or trans?


Well, you're right that an average heterosexual adult won't change their sexual orientation merely because they saw a bunch of men kissing. But given enough pressure, any heterosexual man can be turned into a homosexual. Sexual orientation isn't something that is fixed.

How do they turn people into homosexuals?

There are two ways they can achieve that end and both can be employed at the same time. One way is to achieve it via physical processes e.g. via the water that you drink, the air that you breathe, the food that you eat, the drugs that you take, the medical treatments that you undergo, the vaccines that you take and so on. Another way to achieve it is via social and physiological processes e.g. by pushing the idea that homosexuality is something desirable, by shaming heterosexuality, by promoting certain type of fashion, by promoting certain type of art, by promoting certain kinds of social activities and so on.

Either way, adults are much more difficult to control than children are, so most of the proposed restrictions pertaining to homosexuality, I believe, are meant to protect the young.

origami wrote:What if Motor Daddy doesn't want to send his child to school. Should he be forced?


Have you noticed how most people believe that large numbers of people should be forced to act against their will? If it were up to them, the entire world would be coerced into behaving as they think they should behave -- whether it's restricting men from beating their wives or forcing parents to send their children to schools.
Magnus Anderson
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 6115
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:45 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
origami wrote:What if Motor Daddy doesn't want to send his child to school. Should he be forced?


K: as a conservative, wanting to be ignorant seems to be a high priority,
so, I imagine he wants his kids to be as ignorant as he is....

Kropotkin


So you would be OK with it?
There's no one thing that's true. It's all true.
Ernest Hemingway
User avatar
origami
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2313
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:47 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:51 pm

Kropotkin: I can't see why this is a problem... but that may lie in the fact that
I am secure in my identity... seeing men kiss, doesn't make me
want to kiss other men.. homosexuals don't frighten me like
they seem to with Motor or others on this site...so, tell me,
why should I be afraid of or frightened by homosexuals or trans
people, as you are? Where is the problem? Why must we stop them
from being gay or trans?

Magnus: Well, you're right that an average heterosexual adult won't change their sexual orientation merely because they saw a bunch of men kissing. But given enough pressure, any heterosexual man can be turned into a homosexual. Sexual orientation isn't something that is fixed.

K: according to the article on Wiki, "Sexual orientation is stable and
unchanging for the vast majority of people, but some research, indicates
that some people may experience change in their sexual orientation
and this is more likely for women than for men" wiki article on Sexual fluidity..

now notice it says "some people may" that is part one, part two is who is
engaged in "given enough pressure" to straight men?

M: How do they turn people into homosexuals?

K: the more important question than how, is why?

M:
There are two ways they can achieve that end and both can be employed at the same time. One way is to achieve it via physical processes e.g. via the water that you drink, the air that you breathe, the food that you eat, the drugs that you take, the medical treatments that you undergo, the vaccines that you take and so on. Another way to achieve it is via social and physiological processes e.g. by pushing the idea that homosexuality is something desirable, by shaming heterosexuality, by promoting certain type of fashion, by promoting certain type of art, by promoting certain kinds of social activities and so on.

K: so, what water or food or drugs are we taking that is turning us gay?
and who is engaged in such practices that is making "homosexuality desirable",
what specific art or specific social activities or fashion are turning people gay?

Kropotkin
Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

PK
Peter Kropotkin
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 11189
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:47 am
Location: blue state

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:48 pm

Kropotkin wrote:according to the article on Wiki, "Sexual orientation is stable and
unchanging for the vast majority of people, but some research, indicates
that some people may experience change in their sexual orientation
and this is more likely for women than for men" wiki article on Sexual fluidity..


Stable during which period of time? Adulthood? What about children? Do they say that children can't be turned into homosexuals?

the more important question than how, is why?


They want to enslave the population.

so, what water or food or drugs are we taking that is turning us gay?
and who is engaged in such practices that is making "homosexuality desirable",
what specific art or specific social activities or fashion are turning people gay?


Can't tell you much about that at this point in time. Either way, you shouldn't rely on me for this sort of information since I did not study the subject thoroughly. I am sure there are lots and lots and lots of people you can find who either have direct experience with this stuff or who have thought through all the possibilities.
Magnus Anderson
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 6115
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:59 pm

Gangsta rap was allegedly employed to promote excessive masculinity in an effort to turn men against men thereby eliminating each other. That phase is allegedly over and now they are changing the direction of rap music to something that promotes feminization. Both aim to destroy masculinity. But before you accuse me of being overly concerned with masculinity, note that masculinity isn't the only thing that is under attack. Femininity is too. In general, everything that is healthy, effective and successful is under attack.
Magnus Anderson
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 6115
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: OK, liberals are wrong? what is the alternative?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:19 pm

Magnus Anderson
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 6115
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Next

Return to Society, Government, and Economics



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users