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Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:33 pm

Kemi Badenoch made an argument recently that I thought excellently describes the good guy with a gun thesis. Because guns are simply illegal in England, she was discussing the relationship between knife possession and knife violence. It's gratifying to me that she uses an example that is close to my heart.

Kemi Badenoch grew up in Nigeria. As part of her school curriculum, there was a kind of labour/gardening requirement. Because of the characteristics of Nigerian weather and flora, a machete is required for this task. This meant that every single child (child, mind you) that went to that school was issued with a machete. They did not lock up the machetes after use, Kemi Badenoch slept with one under her bed.

Every single person in that school, if you will, was armed with a machete.

There was 0 machete violence.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Dan~ » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:41 am

I think your post displays a clear message.
Just because someone has a potential weapon,
doesn't mean they will ever use it on other people.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:51 am

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Knife crime is spawned by greed.. drug sellers robbing each other at knife-point.. sometimes those knives get used.

They make money by selling drugs.. then they wanna take money, to make more money, off of others also selling drugs.

The only way to stop knife crime is to give attackers proper jail sentences.. judges were relentlessly consecutively-lenient on the accused, because the accused were mostly young poor males with a sob-story to tell.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:19 am

yes. those young, poor, greedy people with sob stories need to be punished harder. that's it.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:40 am

I think the question that is being posed, with some justice, is whether anybody is compelled to give a shit once you go out and start stabbing people on the streets.

I myself am not a fan of the police, but I for damn sure am against prohibiting people from carrying knives because some low life couldn't be bothered to moderate his conduct.

In any case, it is not knives that stab people. People stab people.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:06 am

but why do they?
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:06 am

spoiler alert. it's because we aren't communist enough. we need to tax the rich and feed those stabbers so they stop stabbing
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:08 am

Or maybe it's because we are too communist and overregulation and overtaxation prices these people out of the market.

Or maybe they should be embarassed that two dudes on the internet are sitting here debating whether they are men who are responsible for their actions.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:10 am

Let me tell you something, in places where there is no law, people like that simply get lynched.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:18 am

origami wrote:Or maybe it's because we are too communist and overregulation and overtaxation prices these people out of the market.

Or maybe they should be embarassed that two dudes on the internet are sitting here debating whether they are men who are responsible for their actions.



is anyone really responsible for anything?
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:20 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:
origami wrote:Or maybe it's because we are too communist and overregulation and overtaxation prices these people out of the market.

Or maybe they should be embarassed that two dudes on the internet are sitting here debating whether they are men who are responsible for their actions.



is anyone really responsible for anything?


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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:22 am

there used to be a lot of lynchings in alabama. was a big thing there for a long time
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:23 am

In the places I come from, they are still a big thing.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:25 am

i feel like they're kind of set for a comeback down here
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:25 am

The irony of it all is, the 99% of victims of the petty robberies and stabbings of these lowlives are also poor. So when the locals come with the tires and the gasoline, they really don't care that your momma didn't breastfeed you enough.

Only the government cares about that shit.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:28 am

Organized crime, by and large, doesn't interfere with these lynchings.

In places, they are the ones that administer them. Some hoods have very strict rules of conduct with very severe penalties for violations. Not a cop to be seen.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:30 am

So, you see, when I say "answering for yourself," I don't mean in a college essay,
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:31 am

origami wrote:The irony of it all is, the 99% of victims of the petty robberies and stabbings of these lowlives are also poor. So when the locals come with the tires and the gasoline, they really don't care that your momma didn't breastfeed you enough.

Only the government cares about that shit.


i was breastfed until i was 19 years old
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:33 am

God willing, may you be breastfed for many more.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:36 am

Generally speaking, the law is there to protect lowlives from the wrath of their victims, not the other way around.

This is important to bear in mind.

Another important thing to bear in mind is that if you require that nobody be allowed to carry a knife so that you won't stab someone, you are beneath contempt and your opinion is of no concern.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:39 am

i'm good friends with a number of real lowlifes.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:43 am

If they are truly lowlives, none of them would last long around some of my friends.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:44 am

a lot of lowlifes really don't get enough credit. some real slippery fuckers out there man. just being lowlifes and slipping right through the cracks
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby origami » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:45 am

Sure, in the US, where the po po is there to protect their shiny asses.

Let them loose around real sharks.
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Re: Kemi Badenoch on Knife Violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:57 am

origami wrote:Sure, in the US, where the po po is there to protect their shiny asses.

Let them loose around real sharks.



i feel like you really haven't spent enough time in the US or the time you spent here was in some isolated place its not like what you seem to think it is
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