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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:03 am

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I think you really shouldn't waste the few brain cells you have left.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:17 am

obsrvr524 wrote:-
I think you really shouldn't waste the few brain cells you have left.


You mean by talking to you. LOL
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:36 pm

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By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:40 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.


An argument is a connected series of statements intended to arrive at or agree a proposition.
I've not seen any such thing from you.
What you do is worship the big fat orange IQ45 man.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:43 pm

Sculptor wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-
By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.


An argument is a connected series of statements intended to arrive at or agree a proposition.

You're right. He doesn't connect his rants in a rational order. He just repeats whatever MSM tells him to (same with you) - worship of the tube.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:43 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-
By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.


An argument is a connected series of statements intended to arrive at or agree a proposition.

You're right. He doesn't connect his rants in a rational order. He just repeats whatever MSM tells him to (same with you) - worship of the tube.


You are a laugh a minute.
The only thing you never fail at is making a fucking damn fool of yourself.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:33 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-
By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.


An argument is a connected series of statements intended to arrive at or agree a proposition.

You're right. He doesn't connect his rants in a rational order. He just repeats whatever MSM tells him to (same with you) - worship of the tube.


K: notice observe isn't arguing about the legally served warrant,
but about the people here.. in other words, he has no argument
in defense of his love of his life, IQ45.. The only possible defense IQ45,
has, outside of the dog ate his homework, is the top secret material
was planted... which is his version of the ''dog ate my homework"...

My guess as of 10:31, California time, which is about an hour and half before the
deadline is that IQ45 will claim that he wants to release the warrant
but his lawyers are stopping him.. and that boys and girls, is
just another bogus IQ45 excuse of which he has a million..

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:54 am

obsrvr524 wrote:-
I think you really shouldn't waste the few brain cells you have left.


for real though. how much money have you sent to the billionaire who claims to be everyone's victim?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:56 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-
By arguing with me. He doesn't talk. He argues.


An argument is a connected series of statements intended to arrive at or agree a proposition.

You're right. He doesn't connect his rants in a rational order. He just repeats whatever MSM tells him to (same with you) - worship of the tube.


cool that you abandoned your defense of the orange traitor. i kind of feel bad for you because he's your god and you worship him like a brainwashed whore worships her pimp. yes daddy you could never be wrong about anything i love you daddy. but his actions are becoming increasingly indefensible and the arguments that you have to make to try and keep up any defense are becoming increasingly absurd. you must feel like a complete fool. i'm sorry he did this to you.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:56 am

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Your wishful guessing out of ignorance might feel good - but only makes you more worthless.

The US President decides all classification statuses. In Mr Trump's case he had already stated in a standing order that all documents he takes home (and all Presidents do that) are automatically declassified. He is not required to do anything or even tell anyone. He determines what the rules are.

Also in the US - the Constitution forbids broad unreasonable searches and seizures (and for this exact reason - a coup by a dictatorial agency). The warrant stated that the FBI was allowed to seize ALL documents created during Mr Trump's entire Presidency (regardless of classification). And if that wasn't unreasonable enough - it allowed for the seizure of any documents in the immediate vicinity of any discovered document of interest. Basically it allowed to seize all information anywhere in the entire house - regardless of its nature (removing 45 boxes - 30 million documents). So the warrant itself was (as I suspected would be) unconstitutional.

And still beyond that - Since Mr Trump had not only
    allowed prior tours by the agencies through all white house documents,
    added the additional lock they requested to the storage room, and
    invited them to come back any time (witnesses to all of that)
- they could not possibly prove intent to commit a crime (necessary to get any conviction). And the idea of obstruction charges is entire fantasy to muse the useful idiots.

All US presidents STILL have such documents in their homes - else they would have demanded that they be returned 19 months ago or at least any one of the times they already searched through the documents - NEVER tell him that he wasn't allowed to have them (because he was and is).

Also there are equal treatment under the law amendments - they have been treating Mr Trump extraordinarily different than prior presidents, Hillary Clinton, and many others found with classified documents. They had no need at all to get a warrant. That alone is enough to get it all thrown out of court.

So the only way to indict and convict Mr Trump is to entirely rig the DC courts (which is very very easy to do for the socialists). So if they are going to attempt an indictment - that is their only hope - a roo court (typical Stalinist, Nazi, socialist tactic).

The greater probability seems to be that the entire staged raid was really for four purposes -

    - Find anything at all capable of being used against Mr Trump (especially for the J6 Hearing Hoax)
    - Make another Hollywood style public production to spread propaganda and incite more hatred.
    - Find and destroy any evidence he had of the O'Biden and deep state malignancy.
    - Stop Mr Trump from running for President and making USA great again.
It turns out that they also had helicopters above and other field agents - around 100 FBI agents involved. And of course they informed CNN before hand to ensure there was plenty of public drama.

It is all a distraction spectacle and fishing expedition to find anything - anything at all - to eliminate the socialist (global communist's) party's competition.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
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    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:39 am

I can't tell what you love more, IQ45 or conspiracies...

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:29 am

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ts/671119/

Graeme Wood at The Atlantic:

'While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. He would not have had to file paperwork—just “utter the magic words,” Leonard told me. He could have waved his hand over the U-Haul trailer as it headed out the White House driveway and down I-95 toward Florida, and there would have been no classified material in there to mishandle.

'Leonard noted important caveats, however. First, Trump’s power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could be reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.

'Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess. Of course if he did so, no prosecutor would pursue him. A certain amount of leeway is crucial to the system.

'If Trump was keeping nuclear secrets in the storeroom of his country club, without even the benefit of a padlock, and resisted attempts to secure those secrets against infiltrators and spies, a prosecutor might reasonably take more interest. After all, he’s the ex-president, not the pope.



Or has Trump already passed those nuclear secrets on to Putin?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:52 am

the us president does not decide all "classification statuses".
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Sculptor » Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:35 am

The fact that IQ45 could use this incident to his advantage says a lot about the extreme lack of basic critical education in the USA.
The people now coming out of the woodwork who are criticising the police and FBI are the same bunch of clowns who railed against the de-fund police movement.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:52 pm

another nutjob set his car on fire and tried to crash into the capitol this morning. hit the barriers and got out shooting then shot himself apparently. sure the story will come out later today with more detail.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Sculptor » Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:02 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:another nutjob set his car on fire and tried to crash into the capitol this morning. hit the barriers and got out shooting then shot himself apparently. sure the story will come out later today with more detail.

Oh well.
One down 100 million to go.

On a lighter note, I understand Salman Rushdie is talking
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:06 pm

we need to just start hunting these people down
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:26 pm

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The more I think about this - the more I become certain that the primary concern that triggered the raid was the effort to find, capture, and destroy all evidence of maleficence from the FBI, O'Biden crime family, Mr Obama, the Clinton's, China, and an assortment of other anti-American globalist actors.

Two months prior to the raid, after sorting through his documents - their only concern was that he put a better lock on the storage room (which he did). Their next interaction was to break into that storage room and his safe and remove all documents throughout the entire house.

iambiguous wrote:Graeme Wood at The Atlantic:

'While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. ---


I agree with Leonard on that issue but he failed to mention one obvious tell - If there had been anything involving nuclear anything - they certainly would not have waited months then find a moment when he was not present while forbidding his attorneys from observing (always allowed in the US) in order to secure "the codes" or whatever. They could have simply asked and certainly would have explained to Mr Trump concerning any nuclear anything. They are evil - not stupid.

It wasn't about classified documents or nuclear codes (an obvious attempt to distract).

It was about confiscating incriminating evidence against the FBI, O'Biden crime family, Mr Obama, the Clinton's, China, and an assortment of other anti-American globalist actors.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
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    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:29 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:we need to just start hunting these people down

The primary aim of the Commie Cults across the world - "Sterilize the world and we can be GOD!".
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:04 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:we need to just start hunting these people down

The primary aim of the Commie Cults across the world - "Sterilize the world and we can be GOD!".



you're going to get to watch your god go through a world of shit for the rest of his short ass life
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