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Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:31 am

if the opposition didn't want to fall victim to the oldest trick in the book, he probably shouldn't have so brazenly violated federal law. pretty dumb.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:31 am

It's like when they thought that they could discredit Trump with their Muller witch hunt. But it actually only drove his numbers up. They had to do the whole covid thing and straight fraud to get him out.

The lesson they took wasn't that persecution gets them votes. The lesson they got was that persecution gets them results.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:33 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:if the opposition didn't want to fall victim to the oldest trick in the book, he probably shouldn't have so brazenly violated federal law. pretty dumb.


You are assuming most people are as stupid as you. They aren't.

You think anybody forgot that Clinton is walking around with not a wrist slap for leaking out servers full of classified docs? That Hunter Biden is both a useless crackhead and a billionaire?

Stop it.

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:34 am

Like you really think nobody notices that this persecution comes at a time when Democrats are projected to lose basically every relevant electoral battle?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:36 am

This either works as a way to brute force your enemies off the map, or you are all fucked.

The FBI knows this, everybody knows this.

This isn't about elections anymore. Not for you crazy commies anyway.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:36 am

origami wrote:Consider, for example, that most Latino voters have gone through this shit in their own home countries. They might have leftist leanings, but they remember all too well what happens when political opponents start getting arrested and shit.

What got Trump over the edge was people tired of getting spit in the face by crooked politicians. Lol how do you think these events fit into that narrative?

You are wrong that this is an electoral ploy. Electoraly this only favours Republicans. This is just an out-and-out attempt to get rid of the opposition by other means. Oldest story in the book.


so you're in the #FreeNavalny camp? or no?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:38 am

I've just been through it all before, that's all.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:38 am

Persecution doesn't get anybody votes. Never has, never will. Persecution has different goals.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:39 am

he tweets through his lawyer they moved him to another camp a few weeks ago. haven't seen much from him since then
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:41 am

Hey, listen, I get it. You feel that your people have been persecuted, so you feel it's fair game to do it yourself now.

But I don't think it works when you're dealing with congressional, senatorial and presidential US politics. It either works all the way or it sinks you.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:42 am

The persecution that goes on in third world countries happens in the context of people that are used to authoritarian ploys and brute force politics. That's why they tend to get away with it. Well, that and the New York Times.

But nobody has seen anything like this before in the US.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:43 am

origami wrote:Hey, listen, I get it. You feel that your people have been persecuted, so you feel it's fair game to do it yourself now.

But I don't think it works when you're dealing with congressional, senatorial and presidential US politics. It either works all the way or it sinks you.


yeah but he really did take those documents though and it's against the law. you are either a nation of laws or you aren't. dictators and fascists think they're above the law. they have to learn that they aren't
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:44 am

Nobody's going to buy that stupid shit. Only fanatics that are already with the program.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:45 am

i mean you're basically arguing that because the consequences of his actions might affect his political career that he shouldn't have to deal with those consequences and that he should be above the law. that's a pretty tough sell
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:45 am

Why isn't Hilary Clinton in jail?

Please.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:45 am

like hey i just robbed a bank but i'm gonna run for office so if you prosecute me then this is a banana republic and the govt isn't legitimate
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:46 am

5+ years of a different excuse every day to employ government agencies to persecute a man that most States want as their president.

How stupid do you think people are?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:47 am

The only way you get away with this is through a succesful transition towards dictatorship.

Anything else is a losing game for you.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:48 am

origami wrote:Why isn't Hilary Clinton in jail?

Please.



for one, she sat in front of those committees and answered all their questions for hours on end and they chose not to act on arresting her.

aside from that, please tell me how one person committing a crime is a defense for another person committing a crime. can i go to court on a drunk driving charge and argue that because someone else drove drunk and got away with it that i should be allowed to do so without consequence?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:50 am

origami wrote:5+ years of a different excuse every day to employ government agencies to persecute a man that most States want as their president.

How stupid do you think people are?



and there it is. "most states". fact is that most people do not, and never wanted his as president. he lost the popular vote twice. not even bush 2 can say that and he was widely despised.

it's like those maps that show the whole country red with blue dots strewn about. land doesn't vote. people do. but mfers will look at that red map and derp derp just get confused. rwnj pundits post it all the time
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:51 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:aside from that, please tell me how one person committing a crime is a defense for another person committing a crime


So you agree that Hilary Clinton committed a crime by leaking servers full of classiffied documents, and went unmolested by the FBI?
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:52 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:
origami wrote:5+ years of a different excuse every day to employ government agencies to persecute a man that most States want as their president.

How stupid do you think people are?



and there it is. "most states". fact is that most people do not, and never wanted his as president.


Yea, big city people are nuts, everybody knows this.

You don't like the electoral system, so you are just going to throw your opponent in jail?

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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:52 am

it's so wild to me that on one hand it seems your biggest fear is a dictatorship, but on the other hand you argue that the guy who beliefs in unitary executive theory and who lost the popular vote should be able to flagrantly violate the law without consequence.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:53 am

origami wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:aside from that, please tell me how one person committing a crime is a defense for another person committing a crime


So you agree that Hilary Clinton committed a crime by leaking servers full of classiffied documents, and went unmolested by the FBI?


no i don't and that's not what i said. don't dodge the question.

is someone else getting away with a crime a defense for the next defendant? yes or no.
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Re: Mar-a- Largo raid and its political implications..

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:53 am

Lol.

That's the whole point homie, somebody that hasn't lived through it might buy your bullshit.
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