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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:17 am

iambiguous wrote:We'll need a contest, of course.

Might I suggest abortion...

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That’s funny. I already solved that one. I’ve given you my solution 4 times already and you’ve always ignored it because it’s a proof for pro choice.

How about YOU debate me next !
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:29 am

Okay, abortion it is then!

Resolved: for some abortion ought to be mandatory.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:44 am

You fat fuck.

(For Dan~: consider that he just insinuated to Ecmandu that his mother should have aborted him. Just to avoid double standards here, I don't know.)
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:56 am

Curly-Joe wrote:You fat fuck.

(For Dan~: consider that he just insinuated to Ecmandu that his mother should have aborted him. Just to avoid double standards here, I don't know.)


How's this for irony?! On another thread you accused me of being able to dish it out but not take it. But then when I play the fly on a thread that you want to be taken seriously, well, you tell me.

And you were the one who jumped to the conclusion I was talking about Ecmandu. Not me.

Again, this seems to be all tangled up in your obsession with masculinity. And the irony here is that given your own twisted take on it, phoneutria herself is at least twice the man that you are.

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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:58 am

No, it's fine, I don't mind a fat fuck following me around.

But you are the one who called for assistance, you squealed. Like a little bitch. I will not do that.

Because I respect myself, as a man.

Also, you never went to Vietnam.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:59 am

So, confirmed? You wish your mother had aborted you?
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:01 am

Lol you made a thread specially to "get it on" with me and then, before it was through, had to call for assistance! Hahahahahahahahaha omg. I can't.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:04 am

Is not sure where Vietnam is on a map wrote: your obsession with masculinity.


I don't particularly think about it. But, I mean, if my masculinity stands out to you...

Don't take this to a new level of creepy.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:18 am

Abentador,

Let it go.

Iambiguous has his own arguments to lose to me, let’s just focus on ours.

The pro choice proof is simple. Ask any adult if they’d sacrifice 2 seconds of suffering to help their parents entire lives. Most would say yes. The ones that say no, are the ones you don’t want on earth anyways.

That’s the cliff notes version. Iambiguous pretends everyday that I haven’t solved this problem for all ‘rational beings’.

Iambiguous has a stake in our debate because he argues that morality isn’t objective with every post.

That’s why he even popped into this thread.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:25 am

Alright alright, if you give him a pass, he has a pass.

And we are not debating abortion.

So, if you want to discuss that with him, that is your business, not mine.

Also, he's pro-abortion. He says he's not, that it's 'unsolvable,' but then he comes out virulently in favor of pro-abortion policies. It's like he thinks no one watches.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:37 am

Iambiguous's message is simple: In a Joe and Mary situation, you will never be able to convince one or the other of the 'right course of action,' which, obviously, iambiguous 'knows' is aborting. Since you cannot talk sense into them, you have to make laws that force them.

Simple as that.

Run of the mill communist.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:38 am

That's why the only two people that like him are the two self-declared communists: Kropotkin and promethean.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:43 pm

I’m getting impatient. =)

I have my opening argument finished.

4 days?!?! This is like a kid in a candy store.

I hope Carleas reads his PM in the next 4 days.

I read the other entire debate earlier about objective morality. I think this will delve much deeper.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:21 pm

Curly-Joe wrote:
Is not sure where Vietnam is on a map wrote: your obsession with masculinity.


I don't particularly think about it. But, I mean, if my masculinity stands out to you...

Don't take this to a new level of creepy.


Hey, you're the one who said...

"Your beautiful golden butthole is my belonging now."

...not me.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:23 pm

I'd never debate u Ec because you're too screwed up in the head to unlearn everything you think. But at the same time I know that this conglomerate of confusion that you are is not your fault, but the fault of a series of factors, including Philosophy in general. So while it is rather tragic that you've become this festering mass of confusion, anxiety, envy and resentment, you also stand as an excellent example of the kinds of problems that our society creates with and in its people. Certainly not the majority, of course, but enough to demand some attention from those in the know.

That being said I have some sympathy for you, and although much of your perceived suffering is superficial, it is still suffered nonetheless.

I therefore extend my hand to you, you miserable creature.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:31 pm

Curly-Joe wrote:
Also, he's pro-abortion. He says he's not, that it's 'unsolvable,' but then he comes out virulently in favor of pro-abortion policies. It's like he thinks no one watches.


Just for the record, I am pro-abortion. But no more so than I am anti-abortion.

So, how do I reconcile that? Well, that's the thing...I can't.

That's what it means to be "fractured and fragmented" in regard to conflicting goods.

Both sides are able to make reasonable arguments that the other side can't just make go away. And, as I noted in the OP here -- https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382 -- my own ever evolving existential frame of mind is rooted largely in the experiences I had over the years. And not in any deontological philosophical assessment.

You know, like the one in ecmandu's head.

Again, just for the record.

But I will of course be following this debate very closely. To see which "condition" prevails.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:20 pm

I am looking forward to the debate between Ecmandu and Aventador.

Aventador wrote:(For Dan~: consider that he just insinuated to Ecmandu that his mother should have aborted him. Just to avoid double standards here, I don't know.)


That's a pretty good reason to warn him. Indeed, if it were possible, and if I had the power to do so, I'd ban him from this thread.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:30 pm

"Since you cannot talk sense into them, you have to make laws that force them.

Simple as that.

Run of the mill communist."

holy shit it's the Right that makes one decision or the other illegal, not the Left (which is pro CHOICE)

That whole thing just brutally backfired on u, haus, right in front of everyone. Quick we gotta get outta here. Pull your coat over your head as we exit the building so the cameras don't see u.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Carleas » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:48 pm

If all that's required of me is setting up the debate and setting up the threads/polls, I can do that. I'm also willing to offer a judgement, though it might take me a couple days depending on when it lands. If you need anything more regular or time intensive than that, I regret that I'm not reliable enough.

Terms as I understand them:
Topic: "Morality is objective"
- Pro: Ecmandu
- Con: Aventador

Structure: 5 posts each, 24 hours per post, ABABABABAB order. Ecmandu to start. (I'll take the time limit to be a good faith standard: the point is the debate should keep moving, but no one really wants it called on a technicality).

For the length limits, 30,000 characters is effectively no limit, that's like 10 single-spaced pages, so it's not constraining in practice (which is fine). In fact, I'd recommend a minimum length.

Judgement: by poll to run for 3 days from the conclusion of the debate. If there is a tie or no votes, the judge decides. I'm not clear on the criteria to be used for judgement, is it just nebulous 'best debating', or is the "trope" aspect meant to point to some more specific 'best trope' standard? Judges have occasionally broken out style and substance etc. scores, so could do that and take a sort of average for overall score. We could even do the poll with 4 options, i.e. A on both style and substance, A on style B on substance, etc.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:51 pm

So... basically, I just want the poll to represent which side they were the most impressed with.

I’ll start ASAP if you set it up.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:10 pm

Fuck it I'm gonna ruin the movie for everyone and show you the ending. Note in advance that you'd never see this argument in this thread even if you ran the argument for a hunerd years.

The question: "For atheists, do you think morality is subjective or objective? Why?"

Rosa Lichtenstein wrote:"Neither. 'Subjective morality’ is a just a different name for expediency or rationalisation; ‘objective morality’ confuses imperative with indicative sentences.

For example, “Thou shalt not steal!” is an imperative sentence, and imperatives can’t be either true or false, only impractical or practical, useful or useless, obeyed or disobeyed.

Indicative sentences, such as “NN stole my cow”, can be true or false.

Objectivity is conceptually connected with truth, which means that no imperative can be objective, and that in turn means there can be no such thing as ‘objective morality’.

In which case, morality is neither subjective nor objective.

That doesn’t imply there is no such thing as morality, but that is a separate question..."


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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:25 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Aventador wrote:(For Dan~: consider that he just insinuated to Ecmandu that his mother should have aborted him. Just to avoid double standards here, I don't know.)


That's a pretty good reason to warn him. Indeed, if it were possible, and if I had the power to do so, I'd ban him from this thread.


Just for the record:

Above I noted this:

Resolved: for some abortion ought to be mandatory.


Now, for some this can mean people like Hitler or Pol Pot or Trump. People they so despise, they really do believe that the world would have been better off if those like them could be aborted.

For others it is those unborn babies/clumps of cells who have terrible defects in the womb.

Instead, it was Pedro who insisted that I was "insinuating" it was ecmandu. This after invading my threads and calling me everything from a scumbag to a fat fuck.

Also, I have my own suspicions as to why Magnus wants me out of his head.

But he won't go there with me.

Go ahead, ask him why.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Carleas » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:33 pm

Debate is started here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=197137

Ecmandu has 24 hours to offer his intro, then it's 24 hours per reply.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:22 pm

iambiguous wrote:Now, for some this can mean people like Hitler or Pol Pot or Trump. People they so despise, they really do believe that the world would have been better off if those like them could be aborted.

For others it is those unborn babies/clumps of cells who have terrible defects in the womb.

Instead, it was Pedro who insisted that I was "insinuating" it was ecmandu. This after invading my threads and calling me everything from a scumbag to a fat fuck.


I see. Maybe you didn't insinuate after all.
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Re: Man, I’m getting tired of this...! My new debate challe

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:57 pm

I obviously can’t talk shop here... other than to state that I want as many ILPers to join one of our most root discussions that cause sides on this board.
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