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Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:49 pm
by Tab
I'm kinda booked at the moment. Pav and I will debate the death penalty's expansion fairly soon, and I wanna take on Faust concerning something to do with justice sometime after that.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:11 pm
by Tab
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Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:29 am
by barcelonic
tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:43 am
by PavlovianModel146
barcelonic wrote:tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol


There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.

I also like your Debate topic. I think virtually anyone would be hard-pressed to adequately defend the notion that, "Innocent until proven guilty," is what actually takes place. If you were truly, "Innocent until proven guilty," then how could you ever possibly be arrested and spend time in jail before your trial?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:09 pm
by barcelonic
PavlovianModel146 wrote:
barcelonic wrote:tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol


There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.

I also like your Debate topic. I think virtually anyone would be hard-pressed to adequately defend the notion that, "Innocent until proven guilty," is what actually takes place. If you were truly, "Innocent until proven guilty," then how could you ever possibly be arrested and spend time in jail before your trial?


oh ok wow - so if i comitted arson on an empty abandoned building due for demolition, do i deserve to die? hmm.... :)

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:58 pm
by Tab
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Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 5:02 am
by PavlovianModel146
Barcelonic wrote: comitted arson on an empty abandoned building due for demolition, do i deserve to die? hmm....


In a word, yes.

Why would you do that?

Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:34 am
by Tab
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Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:24 pm
by Tab
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Don't want to worry anyone, but the week's pretty much up.

You don't want that nasty Tab to win, now do you..?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:36 pm
by Stoic Guardian
So democracy is going to win by voting Shocker... 8)

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:24 pm
by Tab
Are we calling this one..?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:33 pm
by barcelonic
PavlovianModel146 wrote:Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?


If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:08 pm
by Tab
[as per usual me and Stoic will bump the living shit out of this thread, until at least 9 votes are in or a week's up, whichever comes first]


Well, it's been 9 days, so I, in my capacity as no-one in particular, declare the voting closed.

Last call:

Tab 5
Stoic 1

Thanks to everyone who voted, and thanks to Stoic for participating.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:09 am
by PavlovianModel146
barcelonic wrote:
PavlovianModel146 wrote:Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?


If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol



I thought by, "Abandoned," you meant, "No longer is use or regularly occupied." That's how I would have used the word. I now notice that you also said, "Empty," so, my apologies.

What if they entered the back while you started the fire in the front, or vice-versa? What if your flames caught a nearby (occupied) home on fire?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:38 pm
by barcelonic
PavlovianModel146 wrote:
barcelonic wrote:
PavlovianModel146 wrote:Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?


If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol



I thought by, "Abandoned," you meant, "No longer is use or regularly occupied." That's how I would have used the word. I now notice that you also said, "Empty," so, my apologies.

What if they entered the back while you started the fire in the front, or vice-versa? What if your flames caught a nearby (occupied) home on fire?


I think my point was more that crimes are adjudicated after the fact. It is up to you what your view is on the matter, it's just that arson is one crime and murder & manslaughter are different charges.

You said, "...virtually every felony" and I was just asking whether you believe arson should be included (just arson - no added charges)?

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:08 am
by PavlovianModel146
Yes.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:42 pm
by barcelonic
PavlovianModel146 wrote:Yes.


Fair enough

If I end up a judge on that i promise i'll consider both argments as objectively as i can :)

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:22 am
by PavlovianModel146
I will make sound arguments, Tab will make better ones. You cannot become better at Chess if you don't play superior opponents, though.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:20 am
by Moreno
PavlovianModel146 wrote:There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.
I agree but only with white collar crimes.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:27 pm
by barcelonic
so when is that debate happening and who's in it and judging etc.....

Interesting topic for sure

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:02 pm
by PavlovianModel146
You're a Judge.

I'm waiting for Tab to decide whether or not we should each pick a Judge, or if you should pick the other two. He's busy with finals over there this week, so it'll probably start early next week.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:12 pm
by Tab
I think Barcelonic should choose, otherwise trajicomic will heckle us again.

Finals are on wed/thur next week, and my kid's just been circumcised so I'm a bit busy at the moment. Weekend after next sounds do-able.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:24 pm
by PavlovianModel146
Trajicomic won't be here until he thinks of another handle and gets a new IP address/E-Mail set up.

The weekend after next works for me. I don't have much of a reputation for rushing these things ever since the Time Limits I tried in the ILP/ILO Debates failed miserably.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 pm
by Tab
Aw, poor tc got the chop..? I'm literally flooding with tears right now.

Re: Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:57 pm
by Stoic Guardian
Wait a minute, if the date above this is accurate,http://writeitorbust.blogspot.com/2012/06/democracy-vs-dictators.html then that mean tab aready had most of his argument written...