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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:13 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:Our base 10 world's 33.333...% is equivalent to their base 9 world's .3. They are both 33.333...% of a whole.


Neither \(\frac{1}{3}\) nor \(0.3_9\) is equal to \(33.333\dotso \%\).

We're still waiting for you to prove that.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:17 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:Our base 10 world's 33.333...% is equivalent to their base 9 world's .3. They are both 33.333...% of a whole.


Neither \(\frac{1}{3}\) nor \(0.3_9\) is equal to \(33.333\dotso \%\).

We're still waiting for you to prove that.


In base 10, 1/3 means 1.0 of 3.0. Do the division and you end up stuck trying to finish it for the rest of your life. We'll just say that you made it to .333... and then kicked the bucket, with a remainder that still needed to be divided by 3.

You can't finish the division of 1 divided by 3. Impossible!
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:20 pm

The percent thing is an entire red herring. For most of the conversation, things were represented in decimal form, or in fraction form. 1/3 or 0.333... Bringing in "percents" like it's some sort of new, unused and unbiased format is... not correct.

The "percent" format is literally just the base 10 decimal format, times 100, with a % symbol smacked after it. It didn't add anything new to the conversation that wasn't already covered by decimal representation.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:20 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:Wrong. What you are writing and saying when you write 13 is 1 in the Tens decimal place, and 3 in the Ones decimal place. There is no "times" or multiplication, there is the number 3 in the Ones decimal position.

It's not 3 times 1 added to 1 times 10. It is a 1 in the Tens, and a 3 in the Ones.


\(13\) is merely a shorthand for \(1 \times 10^1 + 3 \times 10^0\). So yes, there is multiplication (as well as addition.)

You're confusing the symbol itself (the string of numerals) with what that symbol stands for.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:23 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:Wrong. What you are writing and saying when you write 13 is 1 in the Tens decimal place, and 3 in the Ones decimal place. There is no "times" or multiplication, there is the number 3 in the Ones decimal position.

It's not 3 times 1 added to 1 times 10. It is a 1 in the Tens, and a 3 in the Ones.


\(13\) is merely a shorthand for \(1 \times 10^1 + 3 \times 10^0\). So yes, there is multiplication (as well as addition.)

You're confusing the symbol its (the string of numerals) with what that symbol stands for.


What is a "10" ? There is no number 10, that is a 1 in the Tens and a 0 in the Ones. Just because you drop the decimal point and lose the 0's doesn't mean it's not decimal form.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:26 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:The "percent" format is literally just the base 10 decimal format, times 100, with a % symbol smacked after it. It didn't add anything new to the conversation that wasn't already covered by decimal representation.


\(x \%\) is merely a shorter version of \(x \times \frac{1}{100}\).
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:27 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:The percent thing is an entire red herring. For most of the conversation, things were represented in decimal form, or in fraction form. 1/3 or 0.333... Bringing in "percents" like it's some sort of new, unused and unbiased format is... not correct.

The "percent" format is literally just the base 10 decimal format, times 100, with a % symbol smacked after it. It didn't add anything new to the conversation that wasn't already covered by decimal representation.


.3 Means "3 Tenths" 3/10
.33 Means "33 Hundredths" 33/100
.333 Means "333 Thousandths" 333/1,000

Percent is how many "Hundredths".

.3339 means 33.39/100 or 33.39%
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:31 pm

1/64 = 0.015625 or 1.5625%

9/64 = 0.140625 or 14.0625%

1/3 = .333... or 33.333...%
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:32 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:What is a "10" ? There is no number 10, that is a 1 in the Tens and a 0 in the Ones. Just because you drop the decimal point and lose the 0's doesn't mean it's not decimal form.


\(10\) is a shorter version of \(1 \times x^1 + 0 \times x^0\) where \(x\) stands for the number of fingers on your hands.

The fact there is no digit representing that number in base 10 is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:34 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Flannel Jesus wrote:The percent thing is an entire red herring. For most of the conversation, things were represented in decimal form, or in fraction form. 1/3 or 0.333... Bringing in "percents" like it's some sort of new, unused and unbiased format is... not correct.

The "percent" format is literally just the base 10 decimal format, times 100, with a % symbol smacked after it. It didn't add anything new to the conversation that wasn't already covered by decimal representation.


.3 Means "3 Tenths" 3/10
.33 Means "33 Hundredths" 33/100
.333 Means "333 Thousandths" 333/1,000

Percent is how many "Hundredths".

.3339 means 33.39/100 or 33.39%


Actually...

Only one of those 3 is 3.334%
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:34 pm

Even better, \(10\) is a shorter version of \(1 \times (9 + 1)^1 + 0 \times (9 + 1)^0\).
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:35 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:What is a "10" ? There is no number 10, that is a 1 in the Tens and a 0 in the Ones. Just because you drop the decimal point and lose the 0's doesn't mean it's not decimal form.


\(10\) is a shorter version of \(1 \times x^1 + 0 \times x^0\) where \(x\) stands for the number of fingers on your hands.

The fact there is no digit representing that number in base 10 is completely and utterly irrelevant.


That is the long version of the decimal 10.

There is no math in the representation 10. It is a 1 in the Tens. That's it.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:36 pm

1/3 = .333... or 33.333...%


Not tru.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:37 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:That is the long version of the decimal 10.

There is no math in the representation 10. It is a 1 in the Tens. That's it.


Then you don't understand what decimal expressions are.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:38 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
1/3 = .333... or 33.333...%


Not tru.

You'll move the conversation along faster if you just decide to be upfront about why it's not true, what sort of thing is true instead, instead of waiting for someone to ask you.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:41 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Then you don't understand what decimal expressions are.


I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be in order to suite the needs of other math that coincides with that theory of yours.

The numbers are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

That's it! The rest is all decimal form. You don't need to have a name for them.

10 we call Ten

13 we call Thirteen

There is no name for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:53 pm

This funny trying to explain bases.

Dude, motor, we’re all in teaching mode right now.

There’s so much more to math than bases.

You are being hard headed on this.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:57 pm

By the way, your really long number that you said has no name, has a name:

I call it “motor”

Refute me.

And if you want to go to the Latin... I’m too lazy to name it by counting all the commas.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:59 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:
1/3 = .333... or 33.333...%


Not tru.

You'll move the conversation along faster if you just decide to be upfront about why it's not true, what sort of thing is true instead, instead of waiting for someone to ask you.


I want him to ask me first. By asking a question, he would demonstrate interest. As it is, he doesn't look like he cares, so there is no point in me explaining anything. His demeanor is that of an arrogant prick who talks too much and listens too little.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:00 pm

Ecmandu wrote:This funny trying to explain bases.

Dude, motor, we’re all in teaching mode right now.

There’s so much more to math than bases.

You are being hard headed on this.


Check this out:

1/128 = 1 divided by 128 = 0.0078125

If you multiply 0.0078125 x 72 you get 0.5625

Guess what the decimal is for 72/128 ??? Yup it's .5625

Guess what .5625 divided by 0.0078125 is?? Yup it's 72!!

See how my math adds up perfectly??

Guess what 1/3 =?? .333...
Guess what .333... x 3 = ??? .999...
See how that's BS math!
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:02 pm

Motor Head wrote:The numbers are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

That's it! The rest is all decimal form.


Pointless repetition.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:03 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Motor Head wrote:The numbers are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

That's it! The rest is all decimal form.


Pointless repetition.


Because it goes in one ear and out the other, so I have to keep repeating it until it sinks in.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:06 pm

Nah, you have to do what's necessary to do in order to help the other person realize you're right (and they are wrong.) Of course, that's assuming you're right. Repetition is a cheap tactic and generally a sign of laziness.
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:28 pm

Hello?
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Re: 1 Divided By 3

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:36 pm

Alright.

Someone hacked ILP so I couldn’t post.

Looks like I can now.

So...

My answer is my theorem.

1 minus base and all it’s divisors causes this problem.

Also, the lowest denominator of 1 minus base subtracted from base causes this problem.

I don’t know why this is true.

If you do... I’ll be astounded.

You have the floor.
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