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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:59 pm

I want him to say it.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:00 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:So what you're saying is, if I measure the surface area of a sphere, and I take the square root of that number, it won't allow me to draw a circle that will perfectly encase the sphere?

Is that what you are goddamn motherfucking telling me?


Area is 2 dimensional. If you take the surface area of a sphere, and lay it flat into a 2 dimensional plane, you get what looks like a flat map of Earth, which is broken up, misconfigured BULLSHIT! YOUR mind makes sense of that flat map. Otherwise it is complete BS!
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:01 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:So what you're saying is, if I measure the surface area of a sphere, and I take the square root of that number, it won't allow me to draw a circle that will perfectly encase the sphere?

Not even close. :-?
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:02 pm

THE SQUARE ROOT OF THAT SURFACE AREA
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:03 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:So what you're saying is, if I measure the surface area of a sphere, and I take the square root of that number, it won't allow me to draw a circle that will perfectly encase the sphere?

Is that what you are goddamn motherfucking telling me?


Area is 2 dimensional. If you take the surface area of a sphere, and lay it flat into a 2 dimensional plane, you get what looks like a flat map of Earth, which is broken up, misconfigured BULLSHIT! YOUR mind makes sense of that flat map. Otherwise it is complete BS!


The earth is an oblong sphere btw.

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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:04 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:Go to school, mate. I am not going to sit here trying to teach you high school maths (It was hard enough to bring myself to explain perimeter versus area to Ec).


When you tell me how you arrived at the coordinate 7.5,5.125 then we can make further progress. Until then you are BULLSHITTING. You refuse to acknowledge that pi needs to be a NUMBER, and when you give a finite number for pi, you TRUNCATED pi. That means you did not, nor is it possible to have a finite area of a circle with a truncated calculation of pi.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:08 pm

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Surface area of sphere = \(4\pi r^2\)
Sqrt of that would be \(2r\sqrt\pi\)
Area of circle - \(\pi r^2\)
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:10 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Go to school, mate. I am not going to sit here trying to teach you high school maths (It was hard enough to bring myself to explain perimeter versus area to Ec).


When you tell me how you arrived at the coordinate 7.5,5.125 then we can make further progress. Until then you are BULLSHITTING. You refuse to acknowledge that pi needs to be a NUMBER, and when you give a finite number for pi, you TRUNCATED pi. That means you did not, nor is it possible to have a finite area of a circle with a truncated calculation of pi.


Don’t worry about obsrvr.

His numbers are not constants.

He’s using your logic and your arguing with him.

Silly if you ask me.

The thread is about whether a circle can equal a square.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:11 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:THE SQUARE ROOT OF THAT SURFACE AREA


That surface area is NOT a square, and it is not a circle.

A 2x2 square has an area of 4 square units. The square root of 4 is 2, so since it's a square, the square root of 4 means the sides are all 2.

The circumference of a circle is Pi x D. The area of a circle is pi(r^2). So you can calculate the area of a circle to be say 4 square units of area. 4 divided by 3.14159 will give you the diameter, which divided by 2 will give you the radius. Since the area is pi(r^2) you can divide the area by pi to arrive at r^2. THE SQUARE ROOT of r^2 is the radius.

So it works with squares and circle using square roots.

But take a flat map of Earth and how are you gonna use square root to figure out what?????
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:11 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
Surface area of sphere = 4πr2
Sqrt of that would be 2r√π
Area of circle - πr2


Perimeter of circle 2πr.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:11 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
Surface area of sphere = \(4\pi r^2\)
Sqrt of that would be \(2r\sqrt\pi\)
Area of circle - \(\pi r^2\)


Still no 7.5,5.125!! LOL
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:13 pm

I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Circum-spherence.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:15 pm

But none of that will make sense, if you stick to the idiocy that there is no correspondence between a circle and a sphere.

I have never heard such a banality in all of the days of my life.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:15 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Go to school, mate. I am not going to sit here trying to teach you high school maths (It was hard enough to bring myself to explain perimeter versus area to Ec).


When you tell me how you arrived at the coordinate 7.5,5.125 then we can make further progress. Until then you are BULLSHITTING.

Okay mate - that saves me the trouble of having to detail out the much more accurate procedure that yields a circle with area = 1.00000000000118...

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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:17 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Go to school, mate. I am not going to sit here trying to teach you high school maths (It was hard enough to bring myself to explain perimeter versus area to Ec).


When you tell me how you arrived at the coordinate 7.5,5.125 then we can make further progress. Until then you are BULLSHITTING. You refuse to acknowledge that pi needs to be a NUMBER, and when you give a finite number for pi, you TRUNCATED pi. That means you did not, nor is it possible to have a finite area of a circle with a truncated calculation of pi.


Dude is right though.

If you have to round off at a certain order of fraction, it is not actually pi.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:17 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.


And I am telling you that AREA is a TWO DIMENSIONAL calculation. The Earth is 3 dimensional. A 2 dimensional map of Earth is in NO WAY a representation of a 3 dimensional object. LOOK AT A MAP OF EARTH. It is not a circle, and is not a square. IT is like camel humps. LOL

It is YOUR BRAIN that interprets that map into some form of useable information. Otherwise it is total BS!
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:17 pm

Here’s a question. What shape happens when you spin a square so its center stays in one spot but its four corners rotate to touch all possible points around the center?
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:17 pm

He has a right to ask for the mathematical operation used.
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Re: Squared Circle

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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:18 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.


And I am telling you that AREA is a TWO DIMENSIONAL calculation. The Earth is 3 dimensional. A 2 dimensional map of Earth is in NO WAY a representation of a 3 dimensional object. LOOK AT A MAP OF EARTH. It is not a circle, and is not a square. IT is like camel humps. LOL

It is YOUR BRAIN that interprets that map into some form of useable information. Otherwise it is total BS!


Look fella. Stop all this because you are saying some stupid shit.

Whatever point you want to make, is cancelled the moment you commit to the statement that there is no correspondence between a sphere and a circle.

This is... this is worse than bad.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:18 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.


Now I going to fuck with you guys.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed right?

Even if you cut a sphere into the teeniest sliver at the largest end in the center... and blew all the rest up...

Did you destroy the sphere or not?

This is a metaphysical question.

You may have encrypted it, but did you destroy it?
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:21 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.


Now I going to fuck with you guys.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed right?

Even if you cut a sphere into the teeniest sliver at the largest end in the center... and blew all the rest up...

Did you destroy the sphere or not?

This is a metaphysical question.

You may have encrypted it, but did you destroy it?


Your problem is that you are thinking in terms of matter. Which is understandable because you arrived at this somehow through dumb everyday notions. but if you drop the word matter, you are actually eye to eye with the highest avantgarde of tested physics.
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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:21 pm

Iow, it's not actually metaphysical.

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Re: Squared Circle

Postby Motor Daddy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:22 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm talking about the perimeter of the circle as compared to the surface area of the sphere, not the area of the circle.


And I am telling you that AREA is a TWO DIMENSIONAL calculation. The Earth is 3 dimensional. A 2 dimensional map of Earth is in NO WAY a representation of a 3 dimensional object. LOOK AT A MAP OF EARTH. It is not a circle, and is not a square. IT is like camel humps. LOL

It is YOUR BRAIN that interprets that map into some form of useable information. Otherwise it is total BS!


Look fella. Stop all this because you are saying some stupid shit.

Whatever point you want to make, is cancelled the moment you commit to the statement that there is no correspondence between a sphere and a circle.

This is... this is worse than bad.


There is ZERO correspondence between a circle and a sphere. A circle is an area of TWO DIMENSIONS and a sphere is an object of 3 DIMENSIONS. You can not transform a 3 dimensional object into a 2 dimensional area. IT CAN'T BE DONE!
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