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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:54 am

The Matrix Resurrections is a perfect example of the current 2021AD political-Left:

Dull, bland, boring, lost all previous magic and glory, rapidly irrelevant, desperate for attention, a last ditch money-grab, decrepit, old, senile.



There was nothing new, likeable, relevant, or enjoyable about the latest movie,

Apart from perhaps all the mockery, insults, and memes they are generating online against it.

I like this one: The Wachoski Brothers succeeded where the Wachoski Sisters have failed...
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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:01 pm

Ha!!!..
Only proves that women can create shit.

When you go woke....you go broke...and when you turn female you lose your edge.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:10 pm

It was so, so bad.

Worse than the Star Wars remakes... lol
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:39 pm

At least Matrix Resurrections is a perfect analogy of USA, contemporary culture and politics, civilization, etc.

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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:44 pm

Lorikeet wrote:Matrix Resurrections is evidence of how Hollywood, and the media, indoctrinate the mases with subtle, or not so subtle, stories full of innuendoes and symbolisms, repeated until they become self-evident "truths" over time.


Which “masquerading as self-evident” truth(s) in the movie do you … determine to be … what … false? What’s your complaint? Are you accusing them of … art? ;)
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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:50 pm

Haven't seen the movie, but from reviews, the lie that males and females are interchangeable....that reality is a collective construct.....

Going from the past movies...the Zion is a place of "liberation" - salvation....that "choice" is either an illusion or a flaw.....that a new messiah is awaited to save mankind....all straight out of Abrahamism.
That white heterosexual males are agents of the system, whereas ethnic types are rebels liberating minds form it - Paternalism.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:54 pm

The dude who did not get the awesomeness of Bugs for an “opposite day” move (the inversion) is a … well … God bless him. ;)
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:58 pm

If you admittedly haven’t seen it, please don’t take it personally if I ignore you. Unless you’re using “seen” weirdly. In which case I don’t see your reply. ;)
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:01 pm

Lorikeet wrote:Haven't seen the movie, but from reviews, the lie that males and females are interchangeable....that reality is a collective construct.....

Going from the past movies...the Zion is a place of "liberation" - salvation....that "choice" is either an illusion or a flaw.....that a new messiah is awaited to save mankind....all straight out of Abrahamism.
That white heterosexual males are agents of the system, whereas ethnic types are rebels liberating minds form it - Paternalism.

They portrayed Merovingian as a raving lunatic, dirty homeless bum...

Everything good about the Matrix Trilogy was completely removed, with nothing to replace it.


There were several opportunities to present a 'new' story, anything remotely compelling or interesting, but just... no imagination or creativity in this.

They could have talked about the new Sentient AI who were inspired by Neo's death, and rebelled.

They could have talked about AI factions fighting other AI factions after The Matrix series.

They could have talked about previous or the new iteration, Recompiled "7th" version of The Matrix.

They had lots of opportunities, yet, failed them all.

It should have been called Matrix Dereliction.


This is definitely Art, gone to f(A)rt...
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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:16 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:If you admittedly haven’t seen it, please don’t take it personally if I ignore you. Unless you’re using “seen” weirdly. In which case I don’t see your reply. ;)

when I do see it, after the holidays, I'll give a thorough review....and please do not read nor comment on it.
It wont be on ILP.

Yes...I'll waste my money on what I already know is going to be shit.
But I will be open to being surprised.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:24 pm

Urwrong… Now you done triggered me. Make your own movie & talk about those things.

What did you think about Doogie… the therapist? What were they saying through that character?

What do you think about the new Mr. Smith? Wasn’t it fricken awesome when he (SPOILER ALERT) checks the therapist?

Back to the therapist. What’s up with letting the therapist (symbolic of media/political/etc manipulation, abuse of power, etc) live despite all the insane crap he was in on that resulted in SO many suicides reminiscent of 9/11 building jumpers?… how did Neo survive being a jumper?? This is deep. Discuss.

To add to my complaints in the OP… what are they trying to say in blaming the therapist for using unrequited/unrequitable love on purpose? They are NOT saying anything about gender. Not even when they talk about binary… or non-binary… unless I missed something.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:30 pm

Lorikeet wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:If you admittedly haven’t seen it, please don’t take it personally if I ignore you. Unless you’re using “seen” weirdly. In which case I don’t see your reply. ;)

when I do see it, after the holidays, I'll give a thorough review....and please do not read nor comment on it.
It wont be on ILP.

Yes...I'll waste my money on what I already know is going to be shit.
But I will be open to being surprised.


Why do folks act like I have reactance disorder lol? I want to read it. If it will be accessible online I hope you will at least drop a link here. But why wait?
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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:38 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Lorikeet wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:If you admittedly haven’t seen it, please don’t take it personally if I ignore you. Unless you’re using “seen” weirdly. In which case I don’t see your reply. ;)

when I do see it, after the holidays, I'll give a thorough review....and please do not read nor comment on it.
It wont be on ILP.

Yes...I'll waste my money on what I already know is going to be shit.
But I will be open to being surprised.


Why do folks act like I have reactance disorder lol? I want to read it. If it will be accessible online I hope you will at least drop a link here. But why wait?
I will post it on KTS....
I am waiting for the theaters to reopen....they are shut down here.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:40 pm

I am not familiar with KTS. Apologies.
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:41 pm

It’s streaming on HBO Max if you have that. Cheaper than theater.
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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:41 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:I am not familiar with KTS. Apologies.

https://knowthyself.forumotion.net/

My usual hangout...
I've reviewed some movies.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:44 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Urwrong… Now you done triggered me. Make your own movie & talk about those things.

LOL, so I need to make a $100 million budget movie to have an opinion, LOLWUT???



Ichthus77 wrote:What did you think about Doogie… the therapist? What were they saying through that character?

So the 7th Generation Architect created a recompiled Matrix to increase suffering as to output more 'energy' from enslaved humanity. That is an interesting plot point, but it just didn't work.

The film did not convince me that either Neo or Trinity wanted to take the "red pill". They didn't sell it. There was no inspiration or motivation. Why not just stay in The Matrix?

This could have been a huge story, a huge motivation. But it was lazy. There was literally no reason to leave The Matrix at all.

For example, what exactly did Neo and Trinity "wake up" to? The "real world" was not convincing. There was no motivation to go there.


Ichthus77 wrote:What do you think about the new Mr. Smith? Wasn’t it fricken awesome when he (SPOILER ALERT) checks the therapist?

A lot of the movie had potential, but was wasted.

Here's what I mean... they could have made Agent Smith the new Protagonist, and pit him against the New Architect. But there was just no exposition.

There were no explanations or justifications for the characters, their motives, and none of it was executed on screen anyway.

The movie was NOT convincing to the viewer.


Ichthus77 wrote:Back to the therapist. What’s up with letting the therapist (symbolic of media/political/etc manipulation, abuse of power, etc) live despite all the insane crap he was in on that resulted in SO many suicides reminiscent of 9/11 building jumpers?… how did Neo survive being a jumper?? This is deep. Discuss.

I didn't like the "bug/bots" or whatever. It was just silly. It was a childish idea and doesn't make sense.

You would think that the 7th Recompiled Matrix would have a lot of dedicated Control and focus on enslaving Neo. But they didn't. They didn't explain why Neo would be motivated to take "the red pill". They didn't sell it. The actors didn't act like they wanted to take the red pill.

It made the AI-Machines into a farce, loss of all respect. So not only can Neo easily escape the Matrix AGAIN. But right after, they can just pluck Trinity right out as well?!

Without a fight, without a reason?


Ichthus77 wrote:To add to my complaints in the OP… what are they trying to say in blaming the therapist for using unrequited/unrequitable love on purpose? They are NOT saying anything about gender. Not even when they talk about binary… or non-binary… unless I missed something.

It just wasn't a good story, and really that's the bottom line.

Wasted opportunity at every turn. Blatant Hollywood cash grab. It does not retain the 'magic' of the original movies.


No new fight scenes. No new enemies. No enemies which are fearsome and respected. No threats of danger.

No loss. Does anybody even die in this movie???
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Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:50 pm

Wow. It almost feels like we watched two different movies. Oh well.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:52 pm

Why were they 'freeing' Matrix slaves in the original movies?

So that these 'freed' slaves could fight for Zion. I mean, The Matrix is entirely based on this premise of political Zionism.



In this 4th film... there is literally no reason for people to 'free' Matrix slaves, nor is there reason from within The Matrix, to leave it...



Like it's common sense. They could have a rebellious AI-faction free Neo. Consider that. New, interesting, motivating, compelling...

It would have been easy to make another Matrix movie. But still failed...
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:54 pm

Like that's a far better story.

A competing AI faction "red pills" Neo, so that they can recruit him into an alternate AI-faction world...


But the "real world" in the new Matrix story, is just bland. There's literally no reason to get red-pilled.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:54 pm

Another good analysis:

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Postby Lorikeet » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:57 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Why were they 'freeing' Matrix slaves in the original movies?

So that these 'freed' slaves could fight for Zion. I mean, The Matrix is entirely based on this premise of political Zionism.
In the original the propaganda was obvious.


Urwrongx1000 wrote:In this 4th film... there is literally no reason for people to 'free' Matrix slaves, nor is there reason from within The Matrix, to leave it...
With the rise of the left - nihilism of positivity, i.e., progress - they may be preaching conformity.
The Matrix ain't so bad, now...why leave it.
It is an inter-subjective creation....collectivized reality. There is no objective world, no world outside the matrix.

In the matrix you can choose your identity. It's not limited by reality.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:02 pm

It would have been hard to fail to recreate an interesting lead to a 7th version of the Matrix. But the movie was just bad.

The action scenes were bad, excessive shaky-camera. The new antagonists, the "bug-bots" or whatever, were bad.

The antagonists were not respectable or fear-provoking. There was no loss, no deaths, no sense of dread.


Lol...

A point on Wokeism. If Trinity is really "The One", then why not have her wakeup first, and save Neo, instead of the other way around??? Duh... that's a pretty obvious contradiction in the story. It would have been a more interesting story too.

Instead Trinity is given almost zero camera time until the end. And the viewers don't know why exactly Trinity wants to 'wake up' again. At least for Neo, it made sense that they had to keep blue pilling him to keep him controlled. But what about Trinity? Nothing, no exposition.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:06 pm

How Resurrections should have happened:

Have one of the rebellious AI-factions, who were inspired by Neo's sacrifice from Revolutions, be the ones to red-pill and save Neo from the 7th Generation Matrix.



Easily a much better premise and story than what we get...



Or if they wanted to be "woke", the rebel-AI saves Trinity who must rescue Neo. It's common sense.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:16 pm

Here's my biggest grievance with Matrix 4...



The original trilogy was a Tragedy. This new movie is a Comedy. You can't change the essence of the series, without destroying it.

Maybe this is a deeper analogy to its creator...
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