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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:36 pm

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Pi in base3 is approximately = 10.01021101222201...

Pi/3 in basePi is exactly 10/3 :D
--- which is not 3.333...
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:37 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:Is it 11?


Base 25 actually.

You have to understand from the perspective of a being that made an infinite number of digital heavens...

Every symbol is a number, and every new symbol is a new base.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:41 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:I'm still just amazed that this thread has lasted this long when op has already admitted that the very first post that started it all off is incorrect

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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:43 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-

Pi/3 in basePi is exactly 10/3 :D
--- which is not 3.333...


What the hell is a "3" in base 3 or "base Pi"?

In base 10, "3" is this many: "0 0 0"

The task is to divide "0" into "0 0 0" equal parts.

Call it A / ABC for all I care. But you then need to tell me how much the circumference of the whole pizza is, and how much of that circumference each part is, AND THEY NEED TO ADD UP TO THE WHOLE CIRCUMFERENCE!
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:47 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-

Pi/3 in basePi is exactly 10/3 :D
--- which is not 3.333...


What the hell is a "3" in base 3 or "base Pi"?

base10 3 in base3 is 10
base10 3 in basePi is 3
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Flannel Jesus » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:51 pm

I think it's fair to think of a 3 in base 3 the same way you think when you see a symbol X even though X isn't part of our numeral system - think about it as an external symbol that maps into 10. Everyone knows that Superbowl XXX is Superbowl 30, we don't inherently have any trouble interpreting symbols external to the base we're in, as long as those symbols don't also have a different meaning in the base we're in. That's the only time you run into trouble - conflicting meanings of the same symbol.

But that doesn't exist here, so nothing to be confused about. 3 means what it always meant
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Motor Daddy is actually making a good point.

Don’t go too hard on him.

What happens when the radius is 1?
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:55 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:base10 3 in basePi is 3

That is probably not right -- I just made a wild guess :D

Don't have the free time to work it all out.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:58 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:base10 3 in basePi is 3

That is probably not right -- I just made a wild guess :D

Don't have the free time to work it all out.


Umm... no. Base pi is 1 in base pi. If you add a base ten placeholder, it’s 0.1 in base pi interpreted from base 10.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:03 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:base10 3 in basePi is 3


So you're saying 1.0 in base Pi is this many "0"
So you're saying 2.0 in base Pi is this many "0 0"
So you're saying 3.0 in base Pi is this many "0 0 0"

How many is "10.0" in base Pi??
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:12 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:base10 3 in basePi is 3


So you're saying 1.0 in base Pi is this many "0"
So you're saying 2.0 in base Pi is this many "0 0"
So you're saying 3.0 in base Pi is this many "0 0 0"

How many is "10.0" in base Pi??


You’re funny motor.

Base is always 1 unless you’re unary base with the zero symbol.

It’s really difficult to explain math to humans.

It’s a symbol.

Zero can equal 1.

Those are just symbols.

Value for those symbols is a different concept.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:17 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Base is always 1 unless you’re unary base with the zero symbol.


As I explained to you before, in base 3, you count 1, 2, 10

That is 1.0 = This many "0"
That is 2.0 = this many "0 0"
That is 10.0 = this many "0 0 0"

So you count 1, 2, 10

There is no "3" in base 3. In base 3, this many "0 0 0" is a "1" in the "Threes" place, and it looks like this: 10.0
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:22 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Base is always 1 unless you’re unary base with the zero symbol.


As I explained to you before, in base 3, you count 1, 2, 10

That is 1.0 = This many "0"
That is 2.0 = this many "0 0"
That is 10.0 = this many "0 0 0"

So you count 1, 2, 10

There is no "3" in base 3. In base 3, this many "0 0 0" is a "1" in the "Threes" place, and it looks like this: 10.0


Motor. You’re confusing things. And this is not math that humans have been taught before.

Anytime you change the symbol, you change the base.

1,2,0 are three bases.

You additionally change the base when you use a placeholder. The symbol you’re using is zero as a placeholder.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:28 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:How many is "10.0" in base Pi??

Pi
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:28 pm

Ecmandu wrote:1,2,0 are three bases.

You additionally change the base when you use a placeholder. The symbol you’re using is zero as a placeholder.


As I explained to you before, in base 3 the numbers are 0,1,2, that's it. The numbers are used in different positions to the left and right of a point. Each position has a meaning. Different bases have different meanings for the same place.

10.0 in base 10 is this many "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"
10.0 in base 6 is this many "0 0 0 0 0 0"

Same numbers, a 1 and a 0, in the same place in reference to the point. They are both 10.0.

The difference is that each of those places mean different quantities. So 10.0 in base 6 means "0 0 0 0 0 0" whereas a 10.0 in base 10 means "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:31 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:How many is "10.0" in base Pi??

Pi


"Pi" is not a number. "Pi" is a symbol, or word, used to represent a number compared to 1, which is a ratio.

We don't say a rear end gear ratio is "Pi" we say the ratio is 3.14159 : 1

You are trying to claim "Pi.0" is a number used to equal "10.0" in base Pi. That is complete bullshit!
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:35 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:How many is "10.0" in base Pi??

Pi


"Pi" is not a number. "Pi" is a symbol, or word, used to represent a number compared to 1, which is a ratio.

    Go
    ogle
    it

ALL numbers are merely symbols.

The map is NOT the terrain - the number is NOT the actual quantity - merely a symbol to represent an actual quantity.

THAT is what you can't seem to understand. When you change base - you merely change which symbols to use - the quantity isn't affected. What you call something has nothing to do with what it actually is.

--- It is like calling O'Biden a "leader".
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:36 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:1,2,0 are three bases.

You additionally change the base when you use a placeholder. The symbol you’re using is zero as a placeholder.


As I explained to you before, in base 3 the numbers are 0,1,2, that's it. The numbers used in different positions to the left and right of a point. Each position has a meaning. Different bases have different meanings for the same place.

10 in base 10 is this many "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"
10 in base 6 is this many "0 0 0 0 0 0"

Same numbers, a 1 and a 0, in the same place in reference to the point. They are both 10.0.

The difference is that each of those places mean different quantities. So 10.0 in base 6 means "0 0 0 0 0 0" whereas a 10.0 in base 10 means "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"


I can say a lot about this post. But I’m going to keep it short.

You do not understand placeholders.

And let me explain this again to you...

Before you can even remember you existed, I made an infinite number of infinite heavens that were digital.

They were corrupted by analog.

Numbers are not what you think they are.

Language is not what you think it is.

This banter that we’re having in this thread...

Is me changing bases. To help you understand what you don’t.

I’m here to fix the analog.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:43 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:THAT is what you can't seem to understand. When you change base - you merely change which symbols to use - the quantity isn't affected.



What you don't seem to comprehend is that "pi" is not a "1" in the the x position relative to the point: X0.0.

If you think there is such a thing as "Pi.12" then you must think there is a thing such as 123.pi1212.. Right?

Do you think there is a "12pi31.21"??
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:46 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:THAT is what you can't seem to understand. When you change base - you merely change which symbols to use - the quantity isn't affected.



What you don't seem to comprehend is that "pi" is not a "1" in the the x position relative to the point: X0.0.

If you think there is such a thing as "Pi.12" then you must think there is a thing such as 123.pi1212.. Right?

Do you think there is a "12pi31.21"??


I’m going to put this very simply to you MD.

If you hold an infinite number of bases in your head, all numbers are whole numbers.
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:48 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:THAT is what you can't seem to understand. When you change base - you merely change which symbols to use - the quantity isn't affected.



What you don't seem to comprehend is that "pi" is not a "1" in the the x position relative to the point: X0.0.

If you think there is such a thing as "Pi.12" then you must think there is a thing such as 123.pi1212.. Right?

Do you think there is a "12pi31.21"??

Decimal places are not used in the symbol set that uses \(\pi\)
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Motor Daddy » Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:51 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:THAT is what you can't seem to understand. When you change base - you merely change which symbols to use - the quantity isn't affected.



What you don't seem to comprehend is that "pi" is not a "1" in the the x position relative to the point: X0.0.

If you think there is such a thing as "Pi.12" then you must think there is a thing such as 123.pi1212.. Right?

Do you think there is a "12pi31.21"??

Decimal places are not used in the symbol set that uses \(\pi\)


I think you mean to say "pi" is not a number.

There is no such animal as 13,2pi,122.1pi21pipi
There is no such animal as pipipi12pi12pi.1pi12pipi123pi1pi

Are you really that stupid? No, you're just a dishonest HACK! You know you're being dishonest. That's not stupid it is lying!
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:09 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:I think you mean to say "pi" is not a number.

You "think" wrong mate.

GOOGLE IT

Pi IS a number.

"Are you really that stupid? "
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:23 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:I think you mean to say "pi" is not a number.

You "think" wrong mate.

GOOGLE IT

Pi IS a number.

"Are you really that stupid? "

Since the answer is probably "yes" -- let me do it for you ---

Wikipedia wrote:The number π (/paɪ/; spelled out as "pi") is a mathematical constant that is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, approximately equal to 3.14159. The number π appears in many formulas across mathematics and physics. It is an irrational number, meaning that it cannot be expressed exactly as a ratio of two integers, although fractions such as 22/7 are commonly used to approximate it. Consequently, its decimal representation never ends, nor enters a permanently repeating pattern. It is a transcendental number,
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Re: The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi.

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:26 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:I think you mean to say "pi" is not a number.

You "think" wrong mate.

GOOGLE IT

Pi IS a number.

"Are you really that stupid? "


I’m that stupid.

I’m starting to realize I’m on ignore from posters here.

Whatever. It is what it is.
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