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1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Tue May 31, 2022 4:07 pm

These threads both frustrate and fascinate me. Frustrate because I don't have either the background or education in math to follow the exchanges with any real degree of understanding. Fascinate because many of the posters here certainly appear to possess at least that. And yet even though mathematics would seem to be the mother of all the either/or worlds, they still get into these at times scathing exchanges as to whether it's either my answer or your answer that reflects the one true objective reality.

No dasein, no moral prejudices, no political economy here.

But no actual agreement either.

So, cue God here too?
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Ecmandu » Tue May 31, 2022 4:33 pm

Iambiguous.

This life is a torture chamber.

As we’re speaking ... I’m watching a Mexican using an extremely loud leaf blower ... doesn’t even speak the language.

If he’d used a push broom. It’d be clean. Also the same amount of time.

It looks like shit.

He hula hoes the moss which is gorgeous and takes decades to grow.

He’s basically a piece of shit.

This is how the world works.

Not only does he not do anything, he ruins everything.

That’s just one person. Now cast your gaze upon this species ... not better than him.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Tue May 31, 2022 4:38 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Iambiguous.

This life is a torture chamber.

As we’re speaking ... I’m watching a Mexican using an extremely loud leaf blower ... doesn’t even speak the language.

If he’d used a push broom. It’d be clean. Also the same amount of time.

It looks like shit.

He hula hoes the moss which is gorgeous and takes decades to grow.

He’s basically a piece of shit.

This is how the world works.

Not only does he not do anything, he ruins everything.

That’s just one person. Now cast your gaze upon this species ... not better than him.


Yo, Flannel Jesus! You're up!!

Just kidding. 8)
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Tue May 31, 2022 4:59 pm

In the exchange between FJ and MD here -- https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=197969 -- I [subjectively of course] sense the way both [at times] seem barely able to contain themselves in wanting to push the exchange into a more confrontational joust.

That's what intrigues me the most. They both seem to construe the mathematics here given different sets of assumptions...not unlike the confrontations that often erupt over conflicting goods in the is/ought world.

But, unlike in the world of conflicting value judgments, not much is really at stake in terms of consequences. Yet both posters seem [again to me] to get really, really irked when the other doesn't see the truth about the eggs as they do.

As opposed to, say, the arguments between those in Peta and those who chomp down on animals [eggs and all] three meals a day.

So, I surmise, it must be more than just the subject of the discussion itself. It must also be about...other things in their lives?
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Mad Man P » Tue May 31, 2022 7:40 pm

iambiguous wrote:they still get into these at times scathing exchanges as to whether it's either my answer or your answer that reflects the one true objective reality.


Yes, well... any topic can be reduced to that.
Not everyone is actually interested in what best reflects "reality" but rather their own perception of their place in it... and so even under the best conditions an agreement could never be reached.

What's lovely about math and science is that the procedure and language is quite rigorous and precise, so you can more easily tell who's participating in the conversation, and who is just posturing.
Assuming you're familiar, that is... I suppose from the outside it might look like there are no clear answers merely because there are those who choose to disagree with the answers.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:04 pm

This actually may or may not surprise me at all:

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 9&start=50 : LOCKED!!!

Just out of curiosity, what is the status of moderation here at ILP?

There's Carleas, hovering mysteriously in the background. He used to participate actively in the exchanges. Now weeks can go by with nothing: Last visited: Thu May 19, 2022 11:50 am.

Then Dan.

Then Flannel Jesus?

Did he lock the thread? After he got in the last word? After the exchange had devolved from mathematics into attacks on each other?

Flannel Jesus wrote: It was a mistake to open this thread with you. You are either deliberately acting in bad faith, or you don't yet have the philosophical vocabulary required to act in good faith. If you can't even clarify the scope of your claims when asked, that's either deliberate or a debilitating philosophical disability. If it's the former case, you're a troll. If it's the latter, then I hope you're able to figure it out one day. Clarifying the scope of your claims is a philosophical skill that anybody who wants to engage in good faith needs to learn to do. You need to learn to do it, if you're not a troll.


And, perhaps, MD's rendition of the same accusation?

Whatever the "whole truth" behind it, it certainly seems entirely unfair for FJ to lock the thread only after he gets in the last word.

If, in fact, FJ locked it.

Who the hell really knows what's going on behind the curtains here these days.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:57 am

I chose to lock it and I said in the very first post the conditions under which I would lock it. Perhaps it was unfair of me to get in a last post before locking it, I can see why some would hold that opinion and I may even have held that opinion myself as an outside observer.

I'm willing to have an open conversation with you about exactly when, how and why I judged that the good faith was broken. I'd actually rather have that discussion live, verbally, perhaps on a discord call or some other digital meeting place. Would that interest you?
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:42 pm

The concept of infinity is that there is no end, that it is not finite, and that it is continuous.

So how can you divide some continuous concept into 3 equal parts? You can't!

Imagine a line extending from you outward that is infinite, and then claiming that you can divide the length of the line into 3 equal parts.
There is no length of the line, so what will you be dividing into 3 equal parts? The line does not have a finite length so you can't divide it into 3 finite parts.
That is like me asking you what divided by 3 equals. There is no finite number to be divided by 3, so it can't be done.

Math tries to make claims that there are limits to infinity. That is like saying infinite=finite. You see how idiotic that is?

1 divided by 3 means the answer to the division is .33333.....................
There is no end so the division is never complete. The fact that it keeps going is proof that there is always some part left over that remains to be divided, and that is called the remainder.
So at any point in the division, if you stop and look, there are 4 parts. 3 parts that are equal to each other and 1 part that is the remainder that remains to be divided equally by 3, which it can never be.
If you sweep the remainder under the rug and add up the 3 parts of .333... you end up with .999..., which is less than 1.0. You know why it is less than 1.0, right? Because the remaining part (the 4th part) is under the rug, and was never added to the other 3 parts to equal the 1.0.

Then math tries to claim that .999... = 1.0. You see how idiotic that is? That is like saying 99 pennies = 100 pennies, or that 99.9 pennies = 100 pennies, or that 99.99 pennies = 100 pennies, and on and on.

It will NEVER equal 1.0 because there is a part under the rug! It's called the remainder!
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:33 pm

Mad Man P wrote:
iambiguous wrote:they still get into these at times scathing exchanges as to whether it's either my answer or your answer that reflects the one true objective reality.


Yes, well... any topic can be reduced to that.

Not everyone is actually interested in what best reflects "reality" but rather their own perception of their place in it... and so even under the best conditions an agreement could never be reached.


Well, sure, in the Society, Government, and Economics forum, it happens all the time. Why? Because in regard to conflicting assessments of value judgments, there appears to be nothing in the way of objective mathematical solutions. Sans God, in other words.

And, again, when there are conflicting value judgments, the social, political and economic consequences of that can be devastating. And it's not like we can send in the mathematicians and scientists to finally pin down the while truth in regard to the abortion wars or the war in Ukraine.

But math doesn't revolve around the = sign for nothing.

Nope, in my view, the anger [even outrage] that unfolds in these mathematical exchanges here seems to indicate [to me] mental states that go beyond math.

Something more in the vicinity of this:

...someday he might finally confront whatever or whoever turned him into a "my way or the highway" zealot. Something has clearly pissed him off in life. Something that brings him into places like this to vent.

It seems [to me] that he needs to make scapegoats of those he construes to be part of whatever or whoever he is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?


This, however, was in reference to Polish Youth and his ilk here...the fulminating fanatics who can go berserk when others dare to disagree with them about their political prejudices.

Again, in regard abortion or vaccinations or animal rights or guns.

But mathematics?
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:01 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:I chose to lock it and I said in the very first post the conditions under which I would lock it. Perhaps it was unfair of me to get in a last post before locking it, I can see why some would hold that opinion and I may even have held that opinion myself as an outside observer.

I'm willing to have an open conversation with you about exactly when, how and why I judged that the good faith was broken. I'd actually rather have that discussion live, verbally, perhaps on a discord call or some other digital meeting place. Would that interest you?


Again, given that I myself possess nothing in the way of a sophisticated grasp of the mathematics involved in exchanges of this sort, what would I know about good faith or bad faith in following them? Let alone in evaluating or judging them.

No, instead, my own interest in philosophy revolves basically around what would constitute either "good faith" or "bad faith" in discussions pertaining to this:

"How ought one to behave in a world awash in both conflicting goods and in contingency chance and change?"

And then:

"How does one connect the dots existentially between morality on this side of the grave and immortality and salvation on the other side of it?"

In either a God or a No God world. Given the arguments I make in the OPs here:

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296

And given particular contexts.

And then going all the way out on the metaphysical limb...connecting these dots to the conundrum that revolves around free will in what may or may not be a wholly determined universe. Then, finally, the profound mystery that must exist given the gap between what "I" think about these things here and now and all that can be known about the existence of existence itself. The "Rummy's Rule" Syndrome.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:16 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:The concept of infinity is that there is no end, that it is not finite, and that it is continuous.

So how can you divide some continuous concept into 3 equal parts? You can't!

Imagine a line extending from you outward that is infinite, and then claiming that you can divide the length of the line into 3 equal parts.
There is no length of the line, so what will you be dividing into 3 equal parts? The line does not have a finite length so you can't divide it into 3 finite parts.
That is like me asking you what divided by 3 equals. There is no finite number to be divided by 3, so it can't be done.

Math tries to make claims that there are limits to infinity. That is like saying infinite=finite. You see how idiotic that is?

1 divided by 3 means the answer to the division is .33333.....................
There is no end so the division is never complete. The fact that it keeps going is proof that there is always some part left over that remains to be divided, and that is called the remainder.
So at any point in the division, if you stop and look, there are 4 parts. 3 parts that are equal to each other and 1 part that is the remainder that remains to be divided equally by 3, which it can never be.
If you sweep the remainder under the rug and add up the 3 parts of .333... you end up with .999..., which is less than 1.0. You know why it is less than 1.0, right? Because the remaining part (the 4th part) is under the rug, and was never added to the other 3 parts to equal the 1.0.

Then math tries to claim that .999... = 1.0. You see how idiotic that is? That is like saying 99 pennies = 100 pennies, or that 99.9 pennies = 100 pennies, or that 99.99 pennies = 100 pennies, and on and on.

It will NEVER equal 1.0 because there is a part under the rug! It's called the remainder!


Again, I don't possess a sophistication in math that would enable me to respond intelligently to this.

No, instead, my "thing" here at ILP revolves more around those who embrace any point of view either as an objectivist i.e. "my way or the highway", or as a subjectivist i.e. "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."

It's just that with mathematics and science those distinctions don't often come up. Only out on the end of the reality limb where the really Big Questions reside...

Why something instead of nothing?
Why this something and not something else?
Where does the human condition fit in the whole understanding of existence itself?
What of solipsism, sim worlds, dream worlds alternate Matrix worlds, etc.?
Does God exist?

...do conflicting conclusions derived from conflicting sets of premises [assumptkions] come to our attention in exchanges here.

Right?
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:16 pm

You don't have to understand any math to have the discussion I'm proposing
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Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:24 pm

iambiguous wrote:Again, I don't possess a sophistication in math that would enable me to respond intelligently to this.

No, instead, my "thing" here at ILP revolves more around those who embrace any point of view either as an objectivist i.e. "my way or the highway", or as a subjectivist i.e. "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."

It's just that with mathematics and science those distinctions don't often come up. Only out on the end of the reality limb where the really Big Questions reside...



Do you agree that 2 + 2 = 4 is a "my way or the highway" righteousness? ...or do you think 2 + 2 = 3 can be "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."
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Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:27 pm

I want to make it clear that the discussion I'm proposing with you, Mr biguous, is completely unrelated to whether any particular claim about numbers is true to false. That's completely orthogonal to what I want to talk about.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:31 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:You don't have to understand any math to have the discussion I'm proposing


Okay, note a context in which this discussion of yours might unfold. A set of circumstances in which some think this while others think that.

Thus, setting up an exchange in which attempts are made to decide if there is an optimal way in which to construe the context. Or even the only rational manner in which to understand it at of all. A universal truth applicable to all of us.

In other words, back to a "my way or the highway" exchange or a "you're right from your side, I'm right from mine" exchange.

In either the either/or world or the is/ought world.

Most here know my own preference.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:42 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Again, I don't possess a sophistication in math that would enable me to respond intelligently to this.

No, instead, my "thing" here at ILP revolves more around those who embrace any point of view either as an objectivist i.e. "my way or the highway", or as a subjectivist i.e. "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."

It's just that with mathematics and science those distinctions don't often come up. Only out on the end of the reality limb where the really Big Questions reside...



Do you agree that 2 + 2 = 4 is a "my way or the highway" righteousness? ...or do you think 2 + 2 = 3 can be "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."


Come on, that's not what I am talking about at all here. Discussions that revolve around "1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?" are hardly the same as discussions that revolve around 2 eggs + 2 eggs = 4 eggs.

No, my own interest here revolves more around...

John: "Jim ate two eggs for breakfast, then two more eggs for lunch. How many eggs did Jim eat altogether?"
Jane: "Four. But in fact it is immoral to eat any eggs at all because it is immoral to consume animals in any way at all!"


Discuss.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:45 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Flannel Jesus wrote:You don't have to understand any math to have the discussion I'm proposing


Okay, note a context in which this discussion of yours might unfold. A set of circumstances in which some think this while others think that.

Thus, setting up an exchange in which attempts are made to decide if there is an optimal way in which to construe the context. Or even the only rational manner in which to understand it at of all. A universal truth applicable to all of us.

In other words, back to a "my way or the highway" exchange or a "you're right from your side, I'm right from mine" exchange.

In either the either/or world or the is/ought world.

Most here know my own preference.

I don't really know what you mean. I just want to have a call with you to see if we can find any common ground on the issue I presented above. The issue at hand is not the truth or falsehood of any mathematical claim, but about the nature of the conversation itself.

If you're interested in that conversation with me, I'll pm you my discord. I'll be available in about 2 or 2.5 hours for a call. If you're not interested, let me know.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:46 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Come on, that's not what I am talking about at all here.


Sounds like a sarcastic way of saying "of course 2 + 2 = 4 is a my way or the highway righteousness."

I mean, EVERYBODY knows it's a FACT that 2 + 2 = 4.

What you are claiming is that it's obvious that it's my way or the highway that 2 + 2 = 4. Anyone that tries to tell you different can hit the road!
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:23 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Flannel Jesus wrote:You don't have to understand any math to have the discussion I'm proposing


Okay, note a context in which this discussion of yours might unfold. A set of circumstances in which some think this while others think that.

Thus, setting up an exchange in which attempts are made to decide if there is an optimal way in which to construe the context. Or even the only rational manner in which to understand it at of all. A universal truth applicable to all of us.

In other words, back to a "my way or the highway" exchange or a "you're right from your side, I'm right from mine" exchange.

In either the either/or world or the is/ought world.

Most here know my own preference.

I don't really know what you mean. I just want to have a call with you to see if we can find any common ground on the issue I presented above. The issue at hand is not the truth or falsehood of any mathematical claim, but about the nature of the conversation itself.

If you're interested in that conversation with me, I'll pm you my discord. I'll be available in about 2 or 2.5 hours for a call. If you're not interested, let me know.


You mean like Gib and I here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... &start=175

By all means, come and join us.

Otherwise, for personal reasons you are not likely to understand, I don't interact with anyone aside from virtually.
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:38 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Come on, that's not what I am talking about at all here.


Sounds like a sarcastic way of saying "of course 2 + 2 = 4 is a my way or the highway righteousness."

I mean, EVERYBODY knows it's a FACT that 2 + 2 = 4.


Again:

Come on, that's not what I am talking about at all here. Discussions that revolve around "1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?" are hardly the same as discussions that revolve around 2 eggs + 2 eggs = 4 eggs.

No, my own interest here revolves more around...

John: "Jim ate two eggs for breakfast, then two more eggs for lunch. How many eggs did Jim eat altogether?"
Jane: "Four. But in fact it is immoral to eat any eggs at all because it is immoral to consume animals in any way at all!"


If you get what I mean. Though clearly, it seems, you do not.

Or, sure, we could have a discussion that revolves more around this:

...someday he might finally confront whatever or whoever turned him into a "my way or the highway" zealot. Something has clearly pissed him off in life. Something that brings him into places like this to vent.

It seems [to me] that he needs to make scapegoats of those he construes to be part of whatever or whoever he is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?


This, however, was in reference to Polish Youth and his ilk here...the fulminating fanatics who can go berserk when others dare to disagree with them about their political prejudices.

Again, in regard abortion or vaccinations or animal rights or guns.

But mathematics?


Look, now that I'm anchored more firmly at the PN forum, I just don't do the "bits" with the objectivists here as I once did. PN, while far from what I had hoped it would be, is still much closer to ILP when I first joined. And I've been "banned for life" from The Philosophy Forum and other sites.

My thinking is just too scary for some. 8)
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:02 pm

iambiguous wrote:If you get what I mean. Though clearly, it seems, you do not.


Clearly I do, unless you deny that 2 + 2 = 4 is a "my way or the highway righteousness."

If you deny the "my way or the highway" of that then what you are saying is "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."

You can't have it both ways. Either you agree that 2 + 2 = 4 is an undeniable fact, or you think it could be different and everyone has a right to their own opinion.

The thing is, 2 + 2 = 4 is not an opinion, it is a rock solid fact. It's "my way or the highway" and that is a FACT!
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:07 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
iambiguous wrote:If you get what I mean. Though clearly, it seems, you do not.


Clearly I do, unless you deny that 2 + 2 = 4 is a "my way or the highway righteousness."

If you deny the "my way or the highway" of that then you are saying is "I'm right from my side, you're right from your side."

You can't have it both ways. Either you agree that 2 + 2 = 4 is an undeniable fact, or you think it could be different and everyone has a right to their own opinion.

The thing is, 2 + 2 = 4 is not an opinion, it is a rock solid fact. It's "my way or the highway" and that is a FACT!


We're done here. :lol:

Or, being charitable: 8)
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:08 pm

iambiguous wrote:We're done here. :lol:


You were done from the start. ;)
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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:27 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
iambiguous wrote:We're done here. :lol:


You were done from the start. ;)


Note to others:

Trust me...

If you engage in a discussion with MD about, for example, anything at all, you are done from the start unless you come around to thinking exactly like he does.

Unless, of course, MD is willing to cite an example in which he thought that another poster here was down from the start but that poster actually ended up changing his mind instead.

Not likely though.

Why? Because once an objectivist of his ilk admits that he was wrong about one thing, he is admitting that he might be wrong about other things as well.

And never being wrong is the whole point behind the "psychology of objectivism". It's objectivism that comforts and consoles them. It allows them to anchor their precious Self -- or, for some, Soul -- to an impregnable foundation. For most, it's God. But it can be other things as well.

Or is "he" here a "she".

You know, like her. [-o<

Same thing though.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: 1 divided by 3, Decimal Places Of Pi, Is 1 = 0.999... ?

Postby Motor Daddy » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:31 pm

iambiguous wrote:Note to others:

Trust me...

If you engage in a discussion with MD about, for example, anything at all, you are done from the start unless you come around to thinking exactly like he does.

Unless, of course, MD is willing to cite an example in which he thought that another poster here was down from the start but that poster actually ended up changing his mind instead.

Not likely though.


...or it could be that I engage in discussions which I know what I'm talking about, and remain silent on the ones that I don't know anything about.

In other words, If I speak then you are done from the start! LOL ;)
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