Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:17 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Words mean what they are defined to mean.

If only life was so simple. =;

Definitions come from what people think of when words are used - and that changes. When it greatly changes - the definition gets re-written. In politics - "communism" means the CCP type of government. It is not philosophically correct at all - but if you are talking politics and you use it to mean anything else - you merely sound ignorant or intentionally deceitful.

What does the word "gay" mean? - It used to mean something like happy - but try telling anyone that you are gay - and see what they think. The word "communism" is the same way - it doesn't matter what it used to technically mean - what it means across the world now is "dictatorial oppressive cult". Try telling someone that you are communist - see if they are thinking what the word originally meant or what it means now.

I give "democratic-socialists" hell because that phrase is still a little vague to very many people and it is deceptive. To most people the word "democratic" merely means voting - leaving out the issue of distributed authority (the important part) - so I let it go when talking about the "democratic nations" because even when they are only vaguely distributing authority - at least they still pretentiously vote.

I push the true meaning of "democracy" so the idea doesn't get totally lost. The original idea of "communism" (being a governless commune) is already lost (in the field of politics). And when I promote democracy - I reveal what kind of democracy I am talking about - I point out that most are feigned - I actively avoid the deceptions. Those who promote communism do NOT avoid the deceptions - but favor them.

So don't be so simple-minded. :D
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    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby promethean75 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:30 pm

however, collective ownership of all means of production and public utilities would be a tangible practice not at all obscured by language, no?

How real is the deed to your house? Just a word?
How real is a voting process involving a group of people? Is that also a word that can be redefined?

Take yer time.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:45 pm

promethean75 wrote:however, collective ownership of all means of production and public utilities would be a tangible practice not at all obscured by language, no?

How real is the deed to your house? Just a word?
How real is a voting process involving a group of people? Is that also a word that can be redefined?

Take yer time.

All words involving politics can be - and usually are - slowly - slyly - redefined.

Politics corrupts everything - through WORDS.

In the US - "American Civil Liberties Union" means the government has the liberty to persecute anyone the party in charge chooses (the exact opposite of what it originally meant).
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:29 am

promethean75 wrote: I was explaining how zionist Wall Street bankers financed Marx to design communist theory to destroy economies in the west.

So you found a theory that says some New York Jewish bankers consigned a couple of European Jewish newspaper men to come up with a scheme to destroy capitalist banking (no doubt for sake of central banking). And what they came up with was what we now call "centralized authority" - "socialism" led by the carrot on a stick fantasy called "communism" - "all we need to do is promote how evil capitalism is and the world becomes a wonderful place".

- Sounds a plausible theory of how it got started on its way to destroying most of Europe and into the world wars.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby promethean75 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:43 am

Again u missed the point. You try to delegitimize socialism by claiming it to be something that can be redefined not only in word, but in practice. Again, you can call it want you want, but the practice of socialism is a very concrete material based activity that remains what it is regardless of what you decide to call it.

If the citizens of a society conduct a voting process to determine whether or not to build a public utility of some kind, this is a real, tangible activity that doesn't become something else if you decide to describe it differently.

This is why Marx is the greatest danger to you philosophers; there are no intellectual contraptions here, no ideological word spinning, no 'theorizing' (in praxis).

It is a very certain, very real material model of society that you can directly observe. One that does not change its form if politicians and philosophers appear to examine it and appraise it's merits and faults. It's that stuff that is language games (like you are doing here).
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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:56 am

promethean75 wrote:Again u missed the point. You try to delegitimize socialism by claiming it to be something that can be redefined not only in word, but in practice. Again, you can call it want you want, but the practice of socialism is a very concrete material based activity that remains what it is regardless of what you decide to call it.

Were you talking to yourself when you wrote that? :-?

The point that you seem to be missing is that these things are not what they are supposed to be - they are named in misleading ways - intentionally. Sometimes they become the extreme opposite of what they were supposed to be - and when that happens - you have to stop using the name to imply the opposite idea of what is real.

I'm thinking that your issue is that you do not realize how far off - how much deception - has already occurred over the decades and now so much is so backwards that you really have to be much more careful of who and what you are fighting for and about - including the use of words.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby promethean75 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm

I'm not a top-down Marxist and I give two shits what political parties in this country are saying or doing.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:21 pm

promethean75 wrote:I'm not a top-down Marxist and I give two shits what political parties in this country are saying or doing.

Irrelevant.

Everyone behaves and inherently promotes greater schemes than their own - I imagine that is why animals have eyes and ears and people have minds.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby promethean75 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:10 pm

No. Quite relevant, good sir.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:31 am

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Okay - this has crossed the line --

In most issues - I am impressed that Tucker reveals concerns beneath the obvious - far more open and honest than state and global media prefers - but sometimes - not often - but at times - Tucker gets plain bloody AOC fckg stupid.

I was disappointed to hear him fall for the whole Pentagon UFO hoax (embarrassing - how could an American fall for Pentagon hoax propaganda after all they have lived through). Today I listened to his view on the Russia-Ukraine war and Mr Zelenskyy. I feel like - "What is this Tucker bloke? - like 13 years old?" How gen-Z naive can he be?

I always knew that Tucker was a bit liberal lefty - tree hugging at heart - but seriously - he really believes that during a true - real - hot - decimating war with 10's of thousands of people getting blown to hell by missiles and bombs - a country is supposed to be like all democratic - voting on every issue - debating every thought? What kind of a bloody fckg moron thinks that? Yes - like ANY SANE leader - he shuts down opposition rhetoric during homeland war.

EVERY country in the entire world - including the USA - becomes a mostly autocratic/kingdom-like country during a hot homeland war. They would be complete fools otherwise (much like the US is being currently - during their cold war coup). How utterly lame can you be to not know that?

I am going to have a much harder time listening to Tucker from here on out despite the other good topics he brings up that MSM hides and ignores.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: Tucker Carlson Finally Wakes Up

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue May 03, 2022 4:36 am

obsrvr524 wrote:Okay - this has crossed the line --

In most issues - I am impressed that Tucker reveals concerns beneath the obvious - far more open and honest than state and global media prefers - but sometimes - not often - but at times - Tucker gets plain bloody AOC fckg stupid.

--- And again --

When it comes to domestic affairs - Tucker is superior in investigating what is beneath the surface - BUT - when it comes to foreign affairs - the bloke couldn't be more childishly, wokish, stupid - absolutely moronically deluded. How could a grown person think what this bloke believes?

Recently he has broadcast that the socialist authoritarian left in the US supports Ukraine ONLY because they want retribution on Mr Putin for causing Mr Trump to be elected - for that reason alone they are wanting to spend billions of US tax money to support Ukraine against Russia - are you bloody kidding me???

In the past Tucker has revealed his absolute childlike naivety concerning how to deal with foreign adversaries - and for that reason the authoritarian socialists largely forgive him for being less than extreme totalitarian - despite him being less than extreme leftist (a normally unforgivable sin).

It is like listening to AOC in US Congress - where did such unbelievably naive people come from and get a voice?

Meanwhile - the USA has for the first time acquired an actual Ministry of Truth dubbed - "Disinformation Governance Committee" ("governing disinformation" - not eliminating it).

I expect even Tucker to understand the inherent danger in such an criminal O'Biden suck-up authoritarian move but who knows what such naive people are willing to believe.

The simple truth is that the current US regime loves that Mr Putin, Russia, China, Iran, and every other authoritarian government is thriving under the O'Biden demise of the USA - Ms Pelosi announced that there could be no more perfect US President. The USA has been subtly hypnotized into committing suicide by China and Israel (no border, no law enforcement, no disease protection, no tariffs, no civil rights, no -- anything helpful to civility - 100% pro-authoritarian communism).

When it comes to international affairs - Tucker's a sucker.





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              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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