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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Motor Daddy » Mon May 09, 2022 7:35 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:It’s a human life at conception. Even if it can’t feel pain yet, even before it attaches to the uterine wall, there is human life growing inside a mother.

Here’s a thing on typical fetal pain development, though:
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science ... -womb/amp/


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Just because something is growing in me doesn't mean that is life. There is basically a fertilized egg that continues to evolve, that is part of Mom. "Life" starts when it is no longer part of Mom. When it is not part of Mom then it is no longer Mom, it is its own individual life.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 7:37 pm

We’re not in science anymore, Tonto.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 7:40 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:AI that can think like a person should be treated as one.


Kind of. It needs feelings (a visceral consent structure) to be worthy of being treated as life instead of artificial life.


No it doesn’t. Just like your mom doesn’t HAVE to love you in order to choose to show you love.

You can intellectually know you should feel a certain way even if you can’t feel it. If you have that capability, you can also intellectually know you should want to be treated a certain way, even if you can’t feel that want. Therefore, if an AI can come to these conclusions, they ought to be treated as a person.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 7:43 pm

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Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:AI that can think like a person should be treated as one.


Kind of. It needs feelings (a visceral consent structure) to be worthy of being treated as life instead of artificial life.


No it doesn’t. Just like your mom doesn’t HAVE to love you in order to choose to show you love.

You can intellectually know you should feel a certain way even if you can’t feel it. If you have that capability, you can also intellectually know you should want to be treated a certain way, even if you can’t feel that want. Therefore, if an AI can come to these conclusions, they ought to be treated as a person.


No, no, no.

If an AI is incapable of psychic or physical or soul pain...

It should not be treated as a person.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 7:49 pm

If it can come to those conclusions, it is in the image of God. I wouldn’t mess around with that.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 7:56 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:If it can come to those conclusions, it is in the image of God. I wouldn’t mess around with that.


It can be programmed to say that.

Just because it programmed to spit out a cookie cutter answer does not mean it actually is sentient or sensate.

Anyways, that’s why I came here...

I’m fixing a problem.

I’m patching analog instead of digital.

Digital didn’t work.

I’m mirroring spirits instead of programming AI.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 8:04 pm

Well. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Sculptor » Mon May 09, 2022 8:46 pm

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Feeling pain is not a qualification for personhood.

I had a grass-fed beef steak today. I'm pretty sure a cow can feel pain too.
Life is pain.
Just because a foetus can feel pain is not an excuse to saddle a young girl with a child she does not want, or cannot care for, nor to make her carry it for full term if she does not want to.

Have you actually got an argument against abortion?


If you could enjoy a steak without causing pain or death, would you do it?

Yes and I do abortions with anaesthetic too.

There are ways to not have to raise a conceived child that do not cause that child pain or death. That way is adoption.

But why would you want a rapists baby to live?
You must know psychopathy is inherited.
And how is the "mother" supposed to live for nine months?
Are you going to pay for her upkeep?
ANd what about the emotional pain of having a rapists baby eating her insides?

And of course there is avoiding conception in the first place.

We are not talking about contraception, but cases where there is a pregnancy.
Rape is a very common reason for abortion.
Are you content to punish the victim?


Mandatory paternity tests & accountability of fathers who conceive an unwanted child will cut down on unwanted pregnancy.

Seig Hail mein fuhrer.
Zee zuperstate is supreme, and resistance is useless.
If a father does not want to go through with it, a law is not going to make him a good father.
Don't you agree with happy families?


Cuz we know we got a freaking database of their DNA by now after Covid. Prolly before.


That is bollocks.
It's pretty clueless statement.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Sculptor » Mon May 09, 2022 8:49 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Why is the mother’s choice more valuable than a voiceless being’s choice?

Because the voiceless is silent.
Why is YOUR voice more important that a rape victim?

Why is choice even a question when the topic is life or death? Don’t good reasons matter?


God arbitrarily aborts pregnancies all the time, why not humans too?

Given that there is half a million rapes per year, it is likely the a massive number of abortions are because of rape.
It would be better for all; for society, and the victim to not have those children born, unless the victim wants to proceed, the default ought to be termination.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Well. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.


Is that threat or threat by proxy?

Who wants a bacterial infection? Nobody!

Who wants to murder them? Some people, but everyone does it anyways.

We live in a hell realm. We have to murder to live.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 9:08 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Rape and Abortion.

Are you really going to defend pro-life in this climate?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/


Abortion is often forced on victims of sex trafficking &/or incest that goes unreported. And of mothers who think they don’t need to think of anyone but themselves. First, do no harm.


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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 9:15 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Well. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.


Is that threat or threat by proxy?

Who wants a bacterial infection? Nobody!

Who wants to murder them? Some people, but everyone does it anyways.

We live in a hell realm. We have to murder to live.


Let me put this to you in another entirely different light so you can understand what I’m saying from a different perspective (since you avoided my other arguments)

Do you believe in self defense?

Seriously? Do you believe in it?

God and Jesus do.

What about you?

As far as a mother is concerned, she’s allowed to think the fetus is attacking her.

She’s allowed to have boundaries.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 9:28 pm

Ec. You’re right. We all need to gather in all the barns at midnight with all the pitchforks and find all these babies and kill every last one of the attacking beasts.

There have been too many victims of these invading body snatchers (I never was one myself). We have to end this.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 09, 2022 9:29 pm

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Funny how this legislation is taking centre stage, when all manner of cray is happening around the globe.

Suckers..!
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 9:33 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Funny how this legislation is taking centre stage, when all manner of cray is happening around the globe.

Suckers..!


Join Ec & I’s pitchfork party & we can end all the world’s problems in one convenient night.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 09, 2022 9:35 pm

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When da suckers don’t realise that they’re the suckers, ergo the post pre-this post.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 9:36 pm

Don’t just nip in the bud, MagsJ. Gotta attack it at the root. That’s rad.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 9:40 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Ec. You’re right. We all need to gather in all the barns at midnight with all the pitchforks and find all these babies and kill every last one of the attacking beasts.

There have been too many victims of these invading body snatchers (I never was one myself). We have to end this.


That’s not the point. It’s just up to the individual mother in this species whether she sees her fetus as a mortal threat. Or even worse. An infinite tormentor.

These are called boundaries. Boundaries are healthy.

Even Jesus and God have boundaries.

Are you going to deny they don’t?

If they have boundaries, we have the same right.

Human law uses self defense as a legal exception to murder.

It also uses helping someone who’s being attacked and can’t defend themselves as an exception to murder.

Let’s look at a hypothetical story here:

The person considered the holiest person on earth walks by a rape happening. Are they supposed to walk away saying, “it either gods will or their karma”?

I hope nobody is ever put in the situation to have to intervene because I hope things like that don’t happen.

No. No matter how frail they are. They should try.

Who judges that? All of us.

Even judgement itself is a boundary.

The entire Bible is flooded with the word judgment.

If not now ... later.

It’s in the book of revelations in red print.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 9:51 pm

We stop people from harming others when we can. Let God handle our vengeance. That means we don’t allow the industry to exist. We penalize the industry & the DNA-tested fathers of children born to (statutory) rape/trafficking victims—not the mothers. We educate and support potential mothers, throw condoms everywhere like confetti, and fund proper adoptions instead.

And take down all industries using aborted fetal tissue.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 10:07 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:We stop people from harming others when we can. Let God handle our vengeance. That means we don’t allow the industry to exist. We penalize the industry & the DNA-tested fathers of children born to (statutory) rape/trafficking victims—not the mothers. We educate and support potential mothers, throw condoms everywhere like confetti, and fund proper adoptions instead.

And take down all industries using aborted fetal tissue.


We? Are you on gods side with all the anti abortionists?

Are they on gods side too?

What’s the point of vengeance if the multiverse can be constructed differently.

Because it’s not...

Vengeance is up to all of us.

God is all of us right?

We’re gods robots to exact his will right?

Ghandi used to believe this.

He’s quoted as saying, “I don’t think a single leaf can move without gods permission”

And when he was shot in the head... before it occurred, he said, “oh Rama, Rama”

What is your idea of god?
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 11:08 pm

God is perfect mercy. He won’t leave us wallowing forever. He is also not a dictator. He gives full scholarships for those who choose to learn at the University of Hard Knocks.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 11:10 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:God is perfect mercy. He won’t leave us wallowing forever. He is also not a dictator. He gives full scholarships for those who choose to learn at the University of Hard Knocks.


Nobody chooses to have a bad life.

And if god is not a dictator, why make us all carbon copies of god.... OR ELSE!!!
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 11:13 pm

There are an infinite # of diverse ways to treat the other as self.

If we’re going to kill the other instead — that’s an “else” we chose (in the past) or choose (in the present or future).
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 09, 2022 11:17 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:There are an infinite # of diverse ways to treat the other as self.

If we’re going to kill the other instead — that’s an “else” we chose (in the past) or choose (in the present or future).


I have demonic training. I think you forgot that.

Treating other as self is mindblowingly narcissistic.
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Re: reports say Roe vs Wade to be struck down

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 09, 2022 11:27 pm

Treat self as other?
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