January 6th hearings

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January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:57 pm

David Brooks at the NYT

January 6th hearings in a nutshell:

'The core problem here is not the minutiae of who texted what to chief of staff Mark Meadows on Jan. 6 last year. The core problem is that there are millions of Americans who have three convictions: that the election was stolen, that violence is justified in order to rectify it and that the rules and norms that hold our society together don’t matter.'

Yeah, there will always be those on both sides of the political spectrum convinced that if only they are given a platform, their arguments will prevail and all reasonable men and women will finally see the light.

Meanwhile for those millions upon millions of Trumpworld fanatics, fulminating and fanatical objectivists all, their gripe is not that Trump went too far but that he didn't actually succeed.

Whatever it takes to bring America back to the 1950's again is justified. Whether it revolves around race or gender or sexual orientation or abortion or guns or God, the end ever and always justifies the means.

Then this part: https://youtu.be/8X0UmfBwA_U

Sure, the rich and the powerful crony capitalists like Trump are always ready, willing and able to distract "the masses" from their own economic exploitation by making it all about "values".

But don't expect the Democratic establishment in Congress itself to aim the hearings in that direction.

It's like making Watergate all about CREEP and obstruction of justice and not about Operation COINTELPRO, Operation CHAOS, the bombing of Cambodia, the Pentagon Papers and Nixon's own attempt to reconfigure America into a fascist junta.

Or so it seems to me.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:15 pm

as long as politicians are owned by big business,
nothing will happen unless it threatens profits..
and then all hands on deck.. that is the bottom
line here... absolutely nothing will happen even if IQ45
freely admits he gave Putin, America's top secrets, which he did
BTW... fairly shortly, collective amnesia will strike
the media and nothing will ever be said again about the violent
attempt to overthrow democracy... it will be forgotten
in the latest row over some made up thing like CRT or
trans athletes in the locker room... pretend crap designed
to make you forget this overthrow attempt


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Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:54 pm

From PN:

Sculptor wrote:The whole world saw Donald Trump incite a massive riot in which several people dies.

It is shameful of the USA that this man is still at liberty.

With many of the participants already serving long sentences, it is beyond my imagination how Mr orange face has managed to use his privilege to avoid justice.


Admittedly, my thinking here is entirely conjectural...

In however one imagines it, there is indeed a "deep state" here in America.

Here is my own rendition of it: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... a#p2187045

The powers that be -- the crony capitalist components of the ruling class -- coalesce in ways no one fully understands to come down on questions like this. From the Warren Commision to the Watergate farce to Ford granting a "full and unconditional pardon" to Nixon to Iran-Contra to the war in Iraq to the financial crisis in 2007 to Trump, the powers that be push the agenda in a direction that, from their frame of mind, serves the overall interests of the rich and powerful.

Why hasn't Trump been indicted? Why isn't he in jail?

You tell me.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:15 pm

Ruth Marcus

'If Trump is ever to be held criminally accountable for the coup attempt, prosecutors will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he knew what he was doing was wrong and unjustified. Here, the committee demonstrated there may be ample evidence of that.'

So, what exactly is the connection here between the Committee hearings and, say, the Justice Department?

Will this end up in court -- in a prosecution, in a trial -- or not?
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:52 pm

iambiguous wrote:Will this end up in court -- in a prosecution, in a trial -- or not?

Certainly not.

If they tried to take it to a real court - the real evidence would have to be presented - and that would totally destroy their narrative. The evidence against the people putting on that show far far outweighs all of the suspicions against Mr Trump. They would be putting themselves in prison.

Everyone who has payed any attention to US news at all knows that socialist congressional Hollywood tele show is fake - as fake as the so called "insurrection" itself. Only the most ignorant or seriously stupid believe what they are trying so desperately to sell.

It is a socialist/communist insurrection in America - their motto --
    "Always accuse your opponent of exactly what you are doing yourself"
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:26 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Will this end up in court -- in a prosecution, in a trial -- or not?

Certainly not.

If they tried to take it to a real court - the real evidence would have to be presented - and that would totally destroy their narrative. The evidence against the people putting on that show far far outweighs all of the suspicions against Mr Trump. They would be putting themselves in prison.

Everyone who has payed any attention to US news at all knows that socialist congressional Hollywood tele show is fake - as fake as the so called "insurrection" itself. Only the most ignorant or seriously stupid believe what they are trying so desperately to sell.

It is a socialist/communist insurrection in America - their motto --
    "Always accuse your opponent of exactly what you are doing yourself"


Again, my days of making fools out of the fulminating fanatic pinheads like you have come to an end.

But you might remind gib that he is up here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... &start=175

I actually do have respect for his intelligence. And for the arguments he makes.

On the other hand, with you, Urwrong, her and others here that have succeeded in creating the ghastly New ILP, thanks but no thanks.





Note others:

I don't read his rabid, pinhead declamations anymore. But, sure, if he ever does post something you think might be of interest to me, by all means, pass it along.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:24 am

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Truth is a scary bitch ain't it mate. :o
              You have been observed.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:23 am

did you see where ivanka threw him under the bus?
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:34 pm

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Ivanka admitted that she didn't know much about it so she just accepted Mr Bar's word for it. She doesn't qualify as a witness in any actual hearing. That is no different than PK claiming the 2020 election was fair (opinionated ignorance - useful idiots).

The entire presentation is government propaganda - taxpayer funded. Only one side is being broadcast to the world. It is typical soviet practice - no different than Mr Putin or Xi Jinping (both greatly admired by the American lefties).

In a real hearing - both pro and con testimony is presented - whether believable or not.
In propaganda - one side is accused in the most insidious manner that can be managed.

The US House of Representatives and FBI have become the second one - for now.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:32 pm

From the NYT

'He had means, motive and opportunity. But did Donald J. Trump commit a crime?

'A House committee explicitly declared that he did by conspiring to overturn an election. The attorney general, however, has not weighed in. And a jury of his peers may never hear the case.'

'Several former prosecutors and veteran lawyers said afterward that the hearing offered the makings of a credible criminal case for conspiracy to commit fraud or obstruction of the work of Congress.'


Again, I'm guessing that, as with the examples I noted above, there are those who occupy various positions and functions "behind the curtains" in the "deep state" who will be instrumental here.

What is in the "best interest" of "the country"?

Stay tuned as it were.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:46 pm

One particular political prejudice rooted existentially in dasein...

Donald Trump, American Monster
By Maureen Dowd

WASHINGTON — Monsters are not what they used to be.

I’m reading “Frankenstein” by Mary Shelley for school and the monster is magnificent. He starts out with an elegance of mind and sweetness of temperament, reading Goethe’s “The Sorrows of Young Werther” and gathering firewood for a poor family. But his creator, Victor Frankenstein, abandons him and refuses him a mate to calm his loneliness. The creature finds no one who does not recoil in fear and disgust from his stitched-together appearance, his yellow skin and eyes, and black lips. Embittered, he seeks revenge on his creator and the world.

“Every where I see bliss, from which I alone am irrevocably excluded,” he laments. “I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend.”

Before he disappears into the Arctic at the end of the book, he muses that once he had “high thoughts of honour,” until his “frightful catalogue” of malignant deeds piled up.

Shelley’s monster, unlike ours, has self-awareness, and a reason to wreak havoc. He knows how to feel guilty and when to leave the stage. Our monster’s malignity stems from pure narcissistic psychopathy — and he refuses to leave the stage or cease his vile mendacity.

It never for a moment crossed Donald Trump’s mind that an American president committing sedition would be a debilitating, corrosive thing for the country. It was just another way for the Emperor of Chaos to burnish his title.

We listened Thursday night to the frightful catalogue of Trump’s deeds. They are so beyond the pale, so hard to fathom, that in some ways, it’s all still sinking in.

The House Jan. 6 committee’s prime-time hearing was not about Trump as a bloviating buffoon who stumbled into the presidency. It was about Trump as a callous monster, and many will come away convinced that he should be criminally charged and put in jail. Lock him up!

The hearing drove home the fact that Trump was deadly serious about overthrowing the government. If his onetime lap dog Mike Pence was strung up on the gallows outside the Capitol for refusing to help Trump hold onto his office illegitimately, Trump said, so be it. “Maybe our supporters have the right idea,” he remarked that day, chillingly, noting that his vice president “deserves it.”

Liz Cheney cleverly used the words of former Trump aides to show that, despite his malevolent bleating, Trump knew there was no fraud on a level that would have changed the election results.

“I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the president was bullshit,” William Barr, Trump’s attorney general, said.

Breaking from her father, Ivanka Trump — in a taped deposition — said she embraced Barr’s version of reality: “I respect Attorney General Barr. So I accepted what he was saying.”

(Her husband, Jared Kushner, won the prize for gall in his deposition: He was too busy arranging pardons for sleazeballs to pay attention to whether Trump aides were threatening to quit over the sleazeball in the Oval.)

Trump’s data experts told him bluntly that he had lost. “So there’s no there there,” Mark Meadows commented.

Trump just couldn’t stand being labeled a loser — his father’s bête noire. He maniacally subverted the election out of pure selfishness and wickedness, knowing it is easy to manipulate people on social media with the Big Lie.

It was fine with him if his followers broke the law and attacked the police and went to jail, while he praised their “love” from afar. It’s amazing that no lawmakers were killed.

Everywhere you look, there’s something that makes your blood run cold. The monster in “Frankenstein” is not the only one who has forsaken “thoughts of honour.”

Russia, also in the grip of a monster, is invading and destroying a neighboring democracy for no reason, except Vladimir Putin’s delusions of grandeur.

In Uvalde, the unfathomable story unspools about how the police delayed rescuing schoolchildren for an hour because a commander was worried about the officers’ safety.

Greedy golf icons joined a tour underwritten by the Saudis, even though the Saudi crown prince ordered a journalist dismembered. (Kushner is under investigation about whether he traded on his government position to secure a $2 billion investment from the Saudis for his new private equity firm.)

As Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the committee, noted, when the Capitol was attacked in 1814, it was by the British. This time it was by an enemy within, egged on by the man at the heart of the democracy he swore to protect.

“They did so at the encouragement of the president of the United States,” Thompson said of the mob, “trying to stop the transfer of power, a precedent that had stood for 220 years.”

It’s mind-boggling that so many people still embrace Trump when it’s so plain that he cares only about himself. He was quick to throw Ivanka off the sled on Friday, indicating her opinion did not count since she “was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out.”

Let some conservatives dismiss the hearings as “A Snooze Fest.” Let Fox News churlishly refuse to run them.

The hearing was mesmerizing, describing a horror story with predatory Proud Boys and a monster at its center that even Mary Shelley could have appreciated. The ratings were boffo, with nearly 20 million viewers.

Caroline Edwards, the tough Capitol Police officer who suffered a concussion, was sprayed in her eyes and got back up to return to the fight, described a hellscape.

“I was slipping in people’s blood,” she recalled. “You know, I — I was catching people as they fell. I — you know, I was — it was carnage.”

In his dystopian Inaugural speech, Trump promised to end “American carnage.” Instead, he delivered it. Now he needs to be held accountable for his attempted coup — and not just in the court of public opinion.
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And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:28 pm

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It is all the propaganda of "He said that he said that they said". The contrary actual evidence is overwhelming - which is why it will never get into a real - non-Stalinist - court. Ms Pelosi, Sen Schumer, and many others would be horribly exposed to the light - regardless of the rigged jury.

It is just a Hollywood show put on by the extremely corrupt branch of the US government (They even hired a Hollywood producer to frame it). They read from scripts. They have only anti-Trumpers "testifying". They refuse to show the tremendous evidence against their case - all the while holding political prisoners in solitary without trial for over a year now.

It is a disgusting display of the extreme corruption (actual Satanism) in the US Congress and FBI.
              You have been observed.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:04 am

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It is also important to note that Mr William Barr - despite his extreme understanding of the justice system in the US - believes in lying to the public for the overall good - and has been caught doing so (the Epstein murder as an example). And in this socialist coup charade Mr Barr displays his position of just letting it go because in his mind - there is nothing Mr Trump could do to stop them - truth is not his priority.

Obviously behind the scenes and propaganda tele shows - the global socialists/communists utilize the American media cabal and sometimes not so hidden extortion and threats to control the actors in this production - as well as throughout the entire US government - what they were calling the "Deep State".

The intent is obviously to utterly destroy the US so as to make it into the newest socialist/communist slave state for globalists pleasure. O'Biden is being what he has always been - a total kowtow to whoever he thinks is to be the winner. And since lying, cheating, stealing, and murder are all a part of the socialist/communist way - O'Biden is right at home.

As Tedros said - we won't stop killing your people until we get what we want.
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:09 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Will this end up in court -- in a prosecution, in a trial -- or not?

Certainly not.

If they tried to take it to a real court - the real evidence would have to be presented - and that would totally destroy their narrative. The evidence against the people putting on that show far far outweighs all of the suspicions against Mr Trump. They would be putting themselves in prison.

Everyone who has payed any attention to US news at all knows that socialist congressional Hollywood tele show is fake - as fake as the so called "insurrection" itself. Only the most ignorant or seriously stupid believe what they are trying so desperately to sell.

It is a socialist/communist insurrection in America - their motto --
    "Always accuse your opponent of exactly what you are doing yourself"


what did all the real courts say in the 60 or so cases where all the trumpers tried to say the election was stolen?
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:38 pm

Soviet Style Show Trials

USA has fallen.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:39 pm

Trump is a piece of shit.

He’s up there with Mao and shit like that.

Bush started it, “I’m the decider”

What Trump managed to accomplish literally has Bush putting up a poster of Trump that he masturbates to everyday.

Of course Bush stated he doesn’t like Trump in public. That makes the destruction of the US seem illegitimate.

Bush knows that. Both of them are destroying America with post modernist teachings

They’re mocking logic and reason, social decency...
all that stuff.

They got brazen with Trump. (How far can we go?)

Bush was elected twice...

So the plutocrats got bolder... “if Bush could be re elected, Trump can destroy democracy and make it sound wholesome”

It’s a bold move.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:11 pm

Ecmandu wrote:What Trump managed to accomplish ...

You have no idea of what Mr Trump accomplished. All you know is that you are supposed to hate him so lying about him is good - you hear the lies - you know you are supposed to hate - easy to accept the lies - they are good lies because they are against Orange-Man - "I think I will express my hatred (even though I might be totally lying about the bloke)".
              You have been observed.
    Though often tempted to encourage a dog to distinguish color I refuse to argue with him about it
    It's just the same Satanism as always -
    • separate the bottom from the top,
    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:05 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:What Trump managed to accomplish ...

You have no idea of what Mr Trump accomplished. All you know is that you are supposed to hate him so lying about him is good - you hear the lies - you know you are supposed to hate - easy to accept the lies - they are good lies because they are against Orange-Man - "I think I will express my hatred (even though I might be totally lying about the bloke)".


I’m not going to debate you about your Trump derangement syndrome.

They just wanted to see how far they could get this time.

Learned helplessness.... in increments.

Like the frog in boiling water.

The only fake news is subverting the Truth.

The Truth is that spirit exists.

The Truth is that the only problem to solve in existence is the “hey, I don’t want this to be happening to me!” Problem.

The purpose of existence is: every being gets everything they want forever at the expense of no being.

Trump never even tried.

Trump doesn’t even mention the three structural problems of existence to fix...

1.) pleasurable exclusive access problem (being married already means he doesn’t give a fuck)

2.) the negative zero sum problem (he became president and loves to call people losers)

3.) the consent violation problem.

I could write a single page that would require people for once in their lives to think.

Trump made nobody think.

That was his accomplishment.

He made nobody think.

Fuck. If I had a microphone that big, I’d have dropped the mic with just that.

And walked away.

Obsrvr. I’m patching all of analog with analog.

When I solve every problem for everyone forever... I’m just going to step off this world.

And I’m passionate about not being called back.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:58 am

Ecmandu wrote:I’m not going to debate you about your Trump derangement syndrome.

They just wanted to see how far they could get this time.

Learned helplessness.... in increments.

Like the frog in boiling water.

The only fake news is subverting the Truth.

The Truth is that spirit exists.

The Truth is that the only problem to solve in existence is the “hey, I don’t want this to be happening to me!” Problem.

The purpose of existence is: every being gets everything they want forever at the expense of no being.

Trump never even tried.

Trump doesn’t even mention the three structural problems of existence to fix...

1.) pleasurable exclusive access problem (being married already means he doesn’t give a fuck)

2.) the negative zero sum problem (he became president and loves to call people losers)

3.) the consent violation problem.

I could write a single page that would require people for once in their lives to think.

Trump made nobody think.

That was his accomplishment.

He made nobody think.

Fuck. If I had a microphone that big, I’d have dropped the mic with just that.

And walked away.

Obsrvr. I’m patching all of analog with analog.

When I solve every problem for everyone forever... I’m just going to step off this world.

And I’m passionate about not being called back.

You just precisely described O'Biden and the Left.

They listen to a speech about themselves - then - reverse the names and use the American propaganda media to hypnotize the useful idiots.

They never debate either (else get caught). That is why your current Congress is putting on a Hollywood production show trial of Mr Trump and Jan 6 (rather than a real hearing and trial) -- but with only their twisted narrative being represented - in primetime - tax payer funded - for weeks - showing only the tainted picture they want you to see and believe.

What your congress is currently doing is technically illegal (They have well demonstrated for years they don't care what is legal). They do not have authority to hold public trials but they know that as long as they stay within the Capital - they are free to lie with impunity to the public - regardless of committing liable (a politician's dream). The only authority they have is to investigate how to improve laws. They do not have authority to investigate possible criminals (unless they are being impeached).

Of course almost everything the O'Biden crime family and global communists do and has been doing for decades has been illegal. To them creating diseases, wars, and destroying nations is just a fun part of the game.

What they hated about Mr Trump was that he --
    stopped their aggression (ISIS, Iran, China, Russia...),
    solved the border issue (being used to destroy the US),
    peace in the Middle East,
    pharmaceutical prices way down,
    inflation way down,
    petrol prices way down,
    productivity way up,
    voter turn out way up,
    vaccines very very quickly created,
    freedom to try experimental drugs when the only alternative is death,
    replenished the military,
    stopped the wars,
    and on and on.

There is a good chance that no single US President has accomplished so much for the US as Mr Trump -- all while they tried to destroy him with false flag hoaxes, diseases, murders, impeachment efforts, and more -- and they haven't stopped.

O'Biden is being elected as the worst President in the entire US history - with the possible exception of Mr Buchanan (1857-1861) - known for "Suicide of a Superpower" and a pro-slaver Democrat -- exactly what O'Biden is intentionally doing right now to your nation.

They will keep killing your children until you give them what they want.

-- By hypnotizing people very much like you with a fake media cabal and global authoritarian support.
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
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    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:32 am

obsrvr524: What they hated about Mr Trump was that he --
    stopped their aggression (ISIS, Iran, China, Russia...),
    solved the border issue (being used to destroy the US),
    peace in the Middle East,
    pharmaceutical prices way down,
    inflation way down,
    petrol prices way down,
    productivity way up,
    voter turn out way up,
    vaccines very very quickly created,
    freedom to try experimental drugs when the only alternative is death,
    replenished the military,
    stopped the wars,
    and on and on.

There is a good chance that no single US President has accomplished so much for the US as Mr Trump -- all while they tried to destroy him with false flag hoaxes, diseases, murders, impeachment efforts, and more -- and they haven't stopped.

K: and this is what is called delusional thinking....

let us explore his real legacy...

the worst economic crisis in 80 years with over 20 million
unemployed in less than a year....

America is still hampered by the collapse of the supply chain that
started under IQ45

the worst riots in the streets since 1968... I was there... so I know...

over 500,000 people killed by IQ45 refusing to do anything about
the pandemic...IQ45 killed over 500,000 American's and for that
UR believes he is a great president......

those are the real legacies of IQ45..... and no matter how much
UR and the right try to rewrite history... IQ45 was the single worse
president in American history..... and it isn't that close....

In fact, I can't think of a single thing that IQ45 did that actually
help America....

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Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:21 am

Obsrvr.

Trump means everything. So do all of us.

Try taking my job for a day.

Trump can’t handle it. Let’s see when you realize I’m the analog representative of an infinite number of digital beings who were pulled out of their eternal heavens to patch analog for all beings in existence without offending one of them. I had to take an analog body to do this.

Try that for even one minute. You’ll be in hell so fast your head will spin.

Leave it to the professionals.

I was picked to inhabit a human body because I was the hyper empath of the group.

We all knew that sending someone to a world where beings have everything they want forever without hurting someone here would be an extremely hard landing when they didn’t get the what they wanted!

They picked me because they thought:

1.) I wouldn’t destroy the world when I didn’t get what I wanted

2.) I wouldn’t remote control the world here to get everything I wanted and not finish the job.

You have no clue. No clue. What you’re dealing with.

You think you’re smart?

I’m just a representative of an infinite number of beings pulled out of their infinite heavens.

Each of these beings has specialized in things beyond your comprehension. All of us have the power to remote control the entire species to our will. An infinite number of us. Some know things I don’t. Those are called specializations.

What do you think you know? I can make you believe whatever I want you to think.

I’m here to do a job. I’m learning all of you.

Because I can feel all of you.

All of you.

I’m here to figure out what the analog problem is and patch it.

I’m only one of us.

There’s an infinite number of us.

You have no idea what you’re dealing with.

And if this is done correctly ... you won’t have to find out in any invasive way.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

Welcome to thinking.
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Soviet Style Show Trials

USA has fallen.



so when the courts rule against your idol it's a show trial, but if they rule in favor of him it will be a legitimate decision?
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:39 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: and this is what is called delusional thinking....

let us explore his real legacy...

the worst economic crisis in 80 years with over 20 million
unemployed in less than a year....

That really is delusional thinking if you are thinking that of Mr Trump because what you just described -- is Dr Fauci and the CCP's COVID attack on the world followed by O'Biden's support (still going on).

Mr Trump delivered the USA's highest employment before COVID -
O'Biden delivered - with his "pay to stay at home" bill
    - the lowest employment
    - the highest inflation
    - the greatest ever US debt
    - the lowest production
    - huge crime wave
    - baby food shortage
    - protein shortage (coming soon)
    - and the greatest emotional depression that is becoming the greatest economic depression and recession ever for the USA
    - all a part of his "Build Back Broke" plan to aid the global communists and the CCP (his mentors).

This whole method of destroying the USA apparently started with the KGB back in the late 1800's. It involves slyly usurping every major pillar of society and government (education, law enforcement, legislation, judiciary,...). It seems they learned that from the Jewish Left (the Satanists - Marx, Soros and the like). But in the long run they lost the cold war they had triggered (even prior to the world wars).

Immediately - again by Jewish Left influence - China took over that same role of undermining and replacing heads of critical institutions with useful idiots (such as O'Biden and almost the entire Democrat party) and those are who are currently running your country into extreme impoverishment and communist control.

Mr Trump had discovered the espionage going on (due to an Aussie report) - a little too late - and set the FBI and CIA on the saboteurs and traitors within the US institutes (including within the FBI itself) - but a little too late - too much corruption within DC (almost nothing but corruption).

O'Biden has now removed all investigation effort or pursuits concerning CCP espionage within the US and instilled FBI investigation instead on American citizens who are objecting to communist propaganda. O'Biden has formed the Federal Truth Ministry called "Disinformation Governance Board" (totally dystopian and constitutionally illegal) to ensure that communist propaganda reigns supreme in the minds of most dumbed down inattentive Americans (such as yourself).

If you want to see what is really happening the US - you should get out of the US where you can more freely access more rational news sources about the US from countries less involved (Fox is merely one of many).

Peter Kropotkin wrote:America is still hampered by the collapse of the supply chain that
started under IQ45

Yeah always try to blame the other guy and claim you can do nothing about it - much like O'Biden trying to claim that the inflation is all due to "Putin's gas hike" (even though US and then world inflation began the day O'Biden got into office - a year before he helped Putin instigate a new war - that Mr Trump had prevented).

Interesting that under Mr Trump - there wasn't even a hint of any supply chain issues at all - and if there had been - the term "warp speed" would be quickly applied AGAIN.

But note as the supply chain issue arose - the White House bloke in charge of such issues was out on "paternity leave" for a month or so (what a (planned) coincidence) - possibly the next US President (he hopes). For over a year the docks were covered with packages being destroyed by weather while CA and the White House looked away and enforced policies to make the crisis even worse - as bad as they could muster. They thrive on crises.

The Socialist/Communist party ("Democrats" - and half the "Republicans") thrive on crises - that is why so very very many things are going wrong in the US. They require crime, disease, drugs, poverty, and political upheaval to survive. CA and the west coast states have so much homelessness because the people running those states create it - intentionally.

This current Jan 6 propaganda campaign isn't going to be sufficient to do what they want so I am thinking that they will have to come up with yet another - really really big crises before the upcoming elections - and certainly before the 2024 elections - so watch out America - they are going to make it even worse.

Peter Kropotkin wrote:the worst riots in the streets since 1968... I was there... so I know...

And all created by the Left -- BLM, Antifa, Pelosi, Harris, Soros, Clintons, Obama, O'Biden -- and many more - apparently including you - an obvious soviet socialist/Marxist.

Peter Kropotkin wrote:over 500,000 people killed by IQ45 refusing to do anything about
the pandemic...IQ45 killed over 500,000 American's and for that

Obviously stupid blame shift attempt.

Dr Fauci stated in 2017 that during Mr Trump's presidency there is going to be a pandemic. He then used the US biolab in North Carolina to develop an improvement on the SARS virus and sent a sample along with over $200 million to the Wuhan biolab in China with instructions on how to complete what became the COVID-19 pandemic -- killing, murdering, over 6 million people.

It wasn't supposed to be countered for at least 5 years (according to Dr Fauci himself - a Hitlarian if there ever was one).

Oh yeah mate - try blaming that on the US President who caused astonishing record speed at finding a vaccine against it. Then as predicted - O'Biden tried to claim there was no vaccine until he got into office - what an ass.

Peter Kropotkin wrote:UR believes he is a great president......

UR is right (a bit strange - but a damn damn good economic democracy leader).

Peter Kropotkin wrote:those are the real legacies of IQ45.....

You wish.

Unfortunately you are too ignorant of all of the permanent records of the actual truth of the matter across the world - tough for your mates to erase and rewrite - but they won't stop trying - never have in the past - book burning for ever - global scale Nazis.

Mr Reasonable wrote:so when the courts rule against your idol it's a show trial, but if they rule in favor of him it will be a legitimate decision?

There isn't going to be a real trial. In the case of Mr Sussmann - even with an obviously rigged jury and corrupt judge (known before hand - because DC has nothing else) - the end effect was that much of the corruption of H Clinton was revealed even though the judge attempted to prevent it. If they were to attempt a real trial against Mr Trump - a whole whole whole lot more damning evidence against the major Democrat communist players would be exposed even if they gained their court judgement.

Frankly I don't think the CCP will allow them to attempt another DC trial extravaganza - way way too much opportunity for exposure - the media cabal is not 100% - and that can be fatal.


And don't forget - they are still setting up the military - martial law - socialist takeover of the US (removing guns from citizens, removing anti-socialist solders, destroying policing institutes, instigating more crime, instigating more racial hatred, and reasons to demand government totalitarian control).
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    It's just the same Satanism as always -
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    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --

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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:04 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:so when the courts rule against your idol it's a show trial, but if they rule in favor of him it will be a legitimate decision?

Yes
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Re: January 6th hearings

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:12 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:so when the courts rule against your idol it's a show trial, but if they rule in favor of him it will be a legitimate decision?

Yes


lol u brainwashed bruh
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